Other Sports: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Vegas, Baby! (2023 Regular Season)

[BrindamoursNose]

He's an animal, boys

 

[deadhead]

It's not just the pass rush with Carter, he's a beast against the run.
Next step is to up his snap count, but I thnk they'll do that gradually, the Georgia kids aren't used to a big work load.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Jordan Davis’ Georgia career is the new Sidney Jones CB1.



This is the play I was so happy about from Sydney Brown in this thread last night. I didn't expect it to get the attention the PBU did, but of course this account has the goods as usual. He explains why it's so important far better than I can.

 

[TB87]

For the people who understand this stuff, was the offensive play-calling for the Eagles better last night than in the previous two games? They seemed more efficient.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

So to my untrained eyes, it looked like offense was better than weeks 1&2, but still looked a bit rough. Hurts turning the ball over is a new thing this season.is this because he’s trying more challenging throws, not as accurate as last year, the play calling is easier to read? Btw, that’s a legit question of anyone who wants to answer - I have no idea.

I guess a win is a win, and it looked better than previous weeks… I’ll take it

For the people who understand this stuff, was the offensive play-calling for the Eagles better last night than in the previous two games? They seemed more efficient.

I haven’t had a chance to go back and watch with the Coaches’ Film yet, so this is just live impressions.

Yes, the plays were better. It was also a simplified game plan. There’s nothing wrong with that for a game against the Bucs where you’re trying to get back on track. You do hope that they can crank it up in future weeks, but that doesn’t mean you count it as a negative for last night. Give them credit for realizing it was needed.

For the first 2 weeks, they basically had no intermediate passing game. Everything was shallow and to the outside with the exception of some designed AJB touches. They did use the middle of the field a little bit last night. They at least tried to get Goedert up the seams. It still would have been one of Hurts’ worst games last year, but it was also clearly better than Weeks 1 and 2. He most needs to speed up his reads. This was a good 2021 Hurts. They’ll win games with that, but they need more to make a real run.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

I haven’t had a chance to go back and watch with the Coaches’ Film yet, so this is just live impressions.

Yes, the plays were better. It was also a simplified game plan. There’s nothing wrong with that for a game against the Bucs where you’re trying to get back on track. You do hope that they can crank it up in future weeks, but that doesn’t mean you count it as a negative for last night. Give them credit for realizing it was needed.

For the first 2 weeks, they basically had no intermediate passing game. Everything was shallow and to the outside with the exception of some designed AJB touches. They did use the middle of the field a little bit last night. They at least tried to get Goedert up the seams. It still would have been one of Hurts’ worst games last year, but it was also clearly better than Weeks 1 and 2. He most needs to speed up his reads. This was a good 2021 Hurts. They’ll win games with that, but they need more to make a real run.

I was going to provide an intelligent answer to the question, but I read Jojo's reply beforehand.

Whatever.

 

[TB87]

He most needs to speed up his reads.

Are we thinking this may have to do with the lack of preseason snaps, getting used to the new OC, or something else?

 

[landsbergfan]

HAHAHAHA

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Are we thinking this may have to do with the lack of preseason snaps, getting used to the new OC, or something else?

I don't think the preseason snaps are a big part of it. Some, sure. But a little.

The two major portions are the new OC and Hurts himself. There's no way to know the exact percentages from outside the building other than to say both are clearly somewhat at fault.

Before the year, I kept harping on how big of a loss Steichen was. This is why. Not only did we know he was a fantastic play caller, we knew he understood how to work with Hurts and get him into situations that accentuated his strengths. Johnson is doing this for the first time. It's natural for it to take some time for him to grow into it.

 

[deadhead]

I don't think the preseason snaps are a big part of it. Some, sure. But a little.

The two major portions are the new OC and Hurts himself. There's no way to know the exact percentages from outside the building other than to say both are clearly somewhat at fault.

Before the year, I kept harping on how big of a loss Steichen was. This is why. Not only did we know he was a fantastic play caller, we knew he understood how to work with Hurts and get him into situations that accentuated his strengths. Johnson is doing this for the first time. It's natural for it to take some time for him to grow into it.

We'll have to wait to find out, but wouldn't surprise me if Howie/Siri came to the conclusion that they have to run Hurts less if they want him as the franchise QB for a decade. And Johnson is trying to transition to a more conventional offense. Hurts has shown he can be effective from the pocket, but this is only his 3rd season as a starter, and he hasn't been trained as a pocket QB. So it may take time for him to get comfortable in that role. In that case, the RO becomes a change of pace, not a staple.

Hurts made a deliberate effort to stay in the pocket and scan the field, and showed he has the footwork to make it work. They even threw a conventional RB screen and a lot of play action. On the ROs, Hurts was primarily used as a decoy.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

We'll have to wait to find out, but wouldn't surprise me if Howie/Siri came to the conclusion that they have to run Hurts less if they want him as the franchise QB for a decade. And Johnson is trying to transition to a more conventional offense. Hurts has shown he can be effective from the pocket, but this is only his 3rd season as a starter, and he hasn't been trained as a pocket QB. So it may take time for him to get comfortable in that role. In that case, the RO becomes a change of pace, not a staple.

Hurts made a deliberate effort to stay in the pocket and scan the field, and showed he has the footwork to make it work. They even threw a conventional RB screen and a lot of play action. On the ROs, Hurts was primarily used as a decoy.

Deady, that isn’t how Read Options work. Neither guy is a decoy. They often handed those off because the Bucs very rarely crashed them. Tampa was slow playing the mesh, which means Hurts was making the correct read and handing the ball off.

This is also part of why run/pass mixes and the like are so misleading. Every single Read Option is both a called RB run and a called QB run. Every RPO is both a called run and a called pass.

 

[trostol]

i can say from a Bucs stand point..playcalling for us was shitty as always

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[deadhead]

Deady, that isn’t how Read Options work. Neither guy is a decoy. They often handed those off because the Bucs very rarely crashed them. Tampa was slow playing the mesh, which means Hurts was making the correct read and handing the ball off.

This is also part of why run/pass mixes and the like are so misleading. Every single Read Option is both a called RB run and a called QB run. Every RPO is both a called run and a called pass.

Except earlier in the year, he was running and teams keyed on him.
This game it looked like he wasn't even looking to run.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

We'll have to wait to find out, but wouldn't surprise me if Howie/Siri came to the conclusion that they have to run Hurts less if they want him as the franchise QB for a decade. And Johnson is trying to transition to a more conventional offense. Hurts has shown he can be effective from the pocket, but this is only his 3rd season as a starter, and he hasn't been trained as a pocket QB. So it may take time for him to get comfortable in that role. In that case, the RO becomes a change of pace, not a staple.

Hurts made a deliberate effort to stay in the pocket and scan the field, and showed he has the footwork to make it work. They even threw a conventional RB screen and a lot of play action. On the ROs, Hurts was primarily used as a decoy.

Bro, stop. This is the absolutely wrong direction to go and I refuse to believe we're *that* incompetent to force Jalen to stop using his legs.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Except earlier in the year, he was running and teams keyed on him.
This game it looked like he wasn't even looking to run.

A Read Option is a specific thing.

On a Read Option post-snap, the QB is only doing one thing. He reads the Edge defender who is unblocked by design. If that player crashes (charges into the backfield), the QB pulls the ball back from the RB and takes off running. If the unblocked Edge stays further from the mesh point (QB/RB handoff location), then the QB completes the handoff to the RB. That’s what the process is every time. You’re essentially telling me Hurts is tanking the offense on purpose, which is of course absurd.

The Bucs decided Hurts’ legs were more dangerous than the RB, so they stayed home. That’s the decision the defense gets to make and it’s why I say Hurts doesn’t get enough credit for how much of their running game is on him.

My best guess as to what’s happening here is that you’re not actually talking about ROs. It’s difficult to tell unless you look at them hard. Here’s a good way to eyeball it:

OL and WRs run blocking = RO
OL run blocking and WRs out on routes = RPO
OL pass blocking and WRs out on routes = PA

It’s slightly more complicated that than because the OL tries to sell the Run on PA, but ultimately they end up pass blocking. You get the idea.

 

[Bigkarl]

A Read Option is a specific thing.

On a Read Option post-snap, the QB is only doing one thing. He reads the Edge defender who is unblocked by design. If that player crashes (charges into the backfield), the QB pulls the ball back from the RB and takes off running. If the unblocked Edge stays further from the mesh point (QB/RB handoff location), then the QB completes the handoff to the RB. That’s what the process is every time. You’re essentially telling me Hurts is tanking the offense on purpose, which is of course absurd.

The Bucs decided Hurts’ legs were more dangerous than the RB, so they stayed home. That’s the decision the defense gets to make and it’s why I say Hurts doesn’t get enough credit for how much of their running game is on him.

My best guess as to what’s happening here is that you’re not actually talking about ROs. It’s difficult to tell unless you look at them hard. Here’s a good way to eyeball it:

OL and WRs run blocking = RO
OL run blocking and WRs out on routes = RPO
OL pass blocking and WRs out on routes = PA

It’s slightly more complicated that than because the OL tries to sell the Run on PA, but ultimately they end up pass blocking. You get the idea.

My best guess is that, like his Flyer's takes, he has committed to a narrative that he pulled out of his ass, and he's going to stick to it despite any mountain of evidence you provide to the contrary.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

In today’s world of “Shitty Trade Offers” to HC we have:

My Tua for his Drake London

And

My Kirk Cousins and Tony Pollard for his Josh Jacobs, Geno Smith, and Tutu Atwell.

Kill me.

@Chinatown88

 

[Chinatown88]

In today’s world of “Shitty Trade Offers” to HC we have:

My Tua for his Drake London

And

My Kirk Cousins and Tony Pollard for his Josh Jacobs, Geno Smith, and Tutu Atwell.

Kill me.

@Chinatown88

Why do assholes only try to get deals on their favor instead of taking the time to figure out a mutually beneficial trade? It's one of my biggest gripes with fantasy.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Here he goes again.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Rookie iDL don’t do this. I don’t know what else to say.

Why do assholes only try to get deals on their favor instead of taking the time to figure out a mutually beneficial trade? It's one of my biggest gripes with fantasy.

We used to do a Trade Deadline meeting (AKA an excuse to hang out) after Week 4. Once the discussions were in person, most of the silliness stopped because the retaliatory mocking was brutal.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Tyree Wilson oh woah doggy territory.

 

[DancingPanther]

Rookie iDL don’t do this. I don’t know what else to say.

What a f***ing bull

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Why do assholes only try to get deals on their favor instead of taking the time to figure out a mutually beneficial trade?

Holy shit. Keith Jones posts on HF Flyers.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Rookie iDL don’t do this. I don’t know what else to say.

I am truly, totally blown away by how good Jalen Carter is.

The fact that we replaced a 21 million dollar DT with a rookie (almost) seamlessly...I have no words.