Other Sports: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Vegas, Baby! (2023 Regular Season)

[RockLobster]

I'll keep hammering it...

Brian Johnson wasn't good at his job. At least not here. Now whether that's due to the system/scheme or something else, it's sort of irrelevant. Okay, let's agree he had shit plays to choose from, which I would agree that their plays weren't all that great, he still didn't call them well. He abandoned the run too soon, didn't feature a safety blanket like Goedert, etc.

If there are staff members upset at that, well I'm sorry but the results were what they were. He isn't being let go unfairly. I, for sure, agree that Sirranni should have been let go as well, but--despite my disagreeing with it--I can understand the optical reason as to why he's not (at least not yet).

 

[Strawberry Fields]

It is written

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything about Hurts needing surgery or something.

 

[DancingPanther]

This will end well.

Shocked!!

 

[BrindamoursNose]

WIP is picking DC candidates

Hugh Douglas chose Leslie Frazier w/Al Harris as his backup choice.

Joe Giglio chose Rex Ryan ::fart noise::

The producer (I forget his name) chose Al Harris.

 

[RockLobster]

I don't suspect that Dennard Wilson would come back, not after supposedly being fine with remaining the DB's coach only get fired, but if he would come back as a DC I'd look at him too.

Al Harris, on paper with what he's done in Dallas, doesn't seem like a bad choice.

Leslie Frazier is interesting. He got good results in Buffalo, but that defense also didn't totally come undone when he stepped away. So it begs the question was it his coaching/coordinating or was it the players?

Wink Martindale would be a departure from what we've usually seen, but he's also enjoyed pretty consistent success with his defenses. So I would not be unhappy with him.

But hell no to Rex Ryan.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

It is written
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That was the last championship game of what is considered the pre-modern NFL - the next year was the Unitas and Colts victory over the Giants that historians say really launched the sport into another level. There was another huge watershed with the merger of the AFL and NFL, but that '58 title game was a real sea change.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Alright now that Brian Johnson is likely out, who do we want at OC?

It’s tough to know without talking to these guys, but here are some names I would want to interview if I was Sirianni:

Zac Robinson (“PFF_Zac!” — Chinatown)
Liam Coen
Tee Martin
Pep Hamilton
Ken Dorsey
Andy Ludwig
Mike Denbrock
Joe Moorhead

And of course Brennan Marion

(Please also pretend we traveled back in time to last year so I can say Hire Monken and don’t interview anyone else.)

 

[PDX Flyer]

It's super weird because everyone was acting like they had no timeouts, on both sidelines. Everyone was wandering onto the field. I was assuming the TV graphic was wrong.

Same here

 

[Chinatown88]

It’s tough to know without talking to these guys, but here are some names I would want to interview if I was Sirianni:

Zac Robinson (“PFF_Zac!” — Chinatown)
Liam Coen
Tee Martin
Pep Hamilton
Ken Dorsey
Andy Ludwig
Mike Denbrock
Joe Moorhead

And of course Brennan Marion

(Please also pretend we traveled back in time to last year so I can say Hire Monken and don’t interview anyone else.)

Do we still believe in the Andrew Luck whisperer? Probably the top name for me for this list.

 

[RockLobster]

Do we still believe in the Andrew Luck whisperer? Probably the top name for me for this list.

Zac Robinson
Liam Coen
Tee Martin

All 3 of them jump off the page for me, personally.

 

[orangey]

Three years, three OCs, three DCs

Gold Standard.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Do we still believe in the Andrew Luck whisperer? Probably the top name for me for this list.

I definitely do. I think his passing game concepts have an incredible track record in developing QBs. It's not just Luck. It's Herbert. He did good work with Tyrod. It's making Davis Mills look competent. He'll be a good coach until the day he retires.

Everything hinges on Hurts. The hire needs to be right by him.

 

[Chinatown88]

I definitely do. I think his passing game concepts have an incredible track record in developing QBs. It's not just Luck. It's Herbert. He did good work with Tyrol. It's making Davis Mills look competent. He'll be a good coach until the day he retires.

Everything hinges on Hurts. The hire needs to be right by him.

I lost track of him cause he's been all over the place. This is me playing scared because he's probably one of the more recognizable names of the list. IDK if Howie can risk hiring another no name OC or DC. Cause if stuff breaks even worse then he's definitely feeling the fire and it's not just from The Tripod™ on here.

 

[DancingPanther]

Three years, three OCs, three DCs

Well, this is first time we've seen firings (I think). Other guys moved on to head coaching gigs

Everything hinges on Hurts. The hire needs to be right by him.

This is impossible to overstate. It's so important

 

[Rebels57]

If 2024 is anything like 2023 for Hurts, the Eagles might want to look for the heir apparent to him in the 2025 Draft.

 

[Halladay]

If 2024 is anything like 2023 for Hurts, the Eagles might want to look for the heir apparent to him in the 2025 Draft.

I think more of it was coaching. He was ok, not bad, not good. Just ok. They don't make it easy for him though and there lies the coaching failures.

 

[Rebels57]

I think more of it was coaching. He was ok, not bad, not good. Just ok. They don't make it easy for him though and there lies the coaching failures.

We'll see next season if it was ALL play-calling or he also just cant read a defense as well as we thought.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

There won't be a worse hire for any position in the whole league. This is miles worse than giving Arthur Smith an OC gig.

Almost choked on my own spit at calling the Chargers' roster one of the best in the league. It's AWFUL.

 

[Halladay]

We'll see next season if it was ALL play-calling or he also just cant read a defense as well as we thought.

How do you explain last season? What if Nick really is the problem and its still his offense? I think that will be the case. One of the reasons why I think Nick should be gone.

 

[RockLobster]

How do you explain last season? What if Nick really is the problem and its still his offense? I think that will be the case. One of the reasons why I think Nick should be gone.

It's at least plausible to believe that Nick was given the following ultimatum:

Make changes, including the OC and DC, or you're gone too.

So he's fired the OC/DC (which they did deserve, based on their performance), and he's going to have to overhaul the offensive scheme. If he doesn't, I suspect he'll be shown the door real quick next season.

 

[Halladay]

It's at least plausible to believe that Nick was given the following ultimatum:

Make changes, including the OC and DC, or you're gone too.

So he's fired the OC/DC (which they did deserve, based on their performance), and he's going to have to overhaul the offensive scheme. If he doesn't, I suspect he'll be shown the door real quick next season.

I think that's the case but I remember when Nick was calling plays in 2021 they ran so many screens and didn't run the ball much. I think he's the issue. Don't have much confidence he will change. Should have some new wrinkles coming into the year and throughout. Not much of it.

 

[RockLobster]

I think that's the case but I remember when Nick was calling plays in 2021 they ran so many screens and didn't run the ball much. I think he's the issue. Don't have much confidence he will change. Should have some new wrinkles coming into the year and throughout. Not much of it.

I think he is definitely an issue, yes.

Honestly, and again my feelings on whether Nick should've been fired have already been established (TL;DR I think he should have been), but here's what I believe to be how it went down:

2021: He gives up playcalling when it's not working, Steichen takes over and the rest of the season goes well.

2022: Steichen continues running the Sirianni offense, it's a very well-run machine, and it takes him to Indy as their HC

2023: Sirianni believes his offense can't be beat w/ the horses we have, he gives that interview in pre-season that sort of confirms as much. But he's wrong, the NFL had figured out how to tamp it down. You couple that with Brian Johnson who, while he may have worked great as a QB coach, left a lot to be desired as an OC. Within the confines of the offense that he's given he utterly fails as an OC. Hurts regresses (which I think is both a coaching problem as well as a Jalen problem, he never looked like his usual self).

I don't know if Sirianni considered changing offensive scheme during the season, odds are he didn't since he didn't mind changing defensive play callers (though it would seem that move might've been handed down from on-high). However, going in to the offseason he has a chance to eat some goddamn humble pie (and he should be), go back to the drawing board w/ some offensive changes, and perhaps has been told by Lurie/Howie that he needs to make some changes, that Jalen needs to have a say since he is, for better or worse, the Franchise QB, and that whoever comes in as OC will get some say too.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I am embarrassed to be a fan of a team that paid this dope. He’s everything the anti-analytics zealots think everyone else is.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@Hollywood Cannon They interviewed Kliff. Kill me.