Other Sports: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Vegas, Baby! (2023 Regular Season)

[DancingPanther]

For context Kurt Benkert pops up on my YouTube algorithm periodically with his "actual QB uses actual pro call sheet in Madden". Semi interesting vids

Life, however, still is pain

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Is it though? There were more new guys then returning players this year and most of them had bad seasons. Most of the returning players regressed. They don't really have a defensive foundation anymore. It was supposed to be the D-Line and it was awful.

I think that's really the key. You said regressed - which I would agree about. It's tough to plan for regression to that scale in some guys like Bradberry and Reddick, IMO. Also they only have so much cash to play with - so I don't discount that.

I think some guys he kept did well - BG & Cox shockingly fighting off father time - but the rookie DTs really seemed to fall off at the end. I think there's just a perfect storm of nonsense this past year on D that was nearly impossible to plan for, but I will absolutely critique him for the pretty obvious holes at LB and S. Now he gets a chance to make progress. If he doesn't, then I'm ready to open up the discussion of a replacement in the future.

For now though - Howie's shown a ton of competence though. More than most GMs. I'm not getting rid of that guy until he shows me he just doesn't "get it" anymore.

 

[DancingPanther]

I think that's really the key. You said regressed - which I would agree about. It's tough to plan for regression to that scale in some guys like Bradberry and Reddick, IMO. Also they only have so much cash to play with - so I don't discount that.

I think some guys he kept did well - BG & Cox shockingly fighting off father time - but the rookie DTs really seemed to fall off at the end. I think there's just a perfect storm of nonsense this past year on D that was nearly impossible to plan for, but I will absolutely critique him for the pretty obvious holes at LB and S. Now he gets a chance to make progress. If he doesn't, then I'm ready to open up the discussion of a replacement in the future.

For now though - Howie's shown a ton of competence though. More than most GMs. I'm not getting rid of that guy until he shows me he just doesn't "get it" anymore.

Is going year after year after year after year with dog shit secondary and LBs getting it? Happily continuing with this offensive gameplan by keeping Siriani, Johnson, and/or both around? Sure gets it

Howie is horseshit

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Is going year after year after year after year with dog shit secondary and LBs getting it? Happily continuing with this offensive gameplan by keeping Siriani, Johnson, and/or both around? Sure gets it

Howie is horseshit

We lost the SB to Mahomes by 3 points a year ago. We're not in panic mode.

Sirianni is staying probably, Johnson is probably going. Don't you think it's fair management gets a chance to right the ship after a down year (which btw they won a lot of games in)?

 

[DancingPanther]

We lost the SB to Mahomes by 3 points a year ago. We're not in panic mode.

Sirianni is staying probably, Johnson is probably going. Don't you think it's fair management gets a chance to right the ship after a down year (which btw they won a lot of games in)?

Johnson isn't going anywhere.

The holes in Howie's armor have existed far past this last offseason

 

[achdumeingute]

Defensively I think it is much more the personnel than coaching. Watching these games the past weekend further illustrated how slow the Eagles are defensively.

You can always use more speed/talent, but there is a big difference in playing slow, and being slow.

There are so many examples of putting Reddick into coverage, blitzing and the DB playing wrong leverage ECT.

We were ahead alot last year, so our PR got to be more focused on the rush but IIRC Gannon played a large amount of the time in base D... Perhaps that's because this group was good at it, and it's what they knew well.

 

[Cody Webster]

Was this talked about yesterday? Did Tampa just give up?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Was this talked about yesterday? Did Tampa just give up?

It's super weird because everyone was acting like they had no timeouts, on both sidelines. Everyone was wandering onto the field. I was assuming the TV graphic was wrong.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

49ers-Chiefs is the nightmare Super Bowl, so that's absolutely what it's gonna be.

I was hoping for Bills/Lions so we can have a first time winner.

 

[Halladay]

We lost the SB to Mahomes by 3 points a year ago. We're not in panic mode.

Sirianni is staying probably, Johnson is probably going. Don't you think it's fair management gets a chance to right the ship after a down year (which btw they won a lot of games in)?

The coach lost the team and we think it is a good idea to bring him back?

 

[trostol]

Bowles gets a bonus for every timeout he saved through out the year

 

[StreetHawk]

It's super weird because everyone was acting like they had no timeouts, on both sidelines. Everyone was wandering onto the field. I was assuming the TV graphic was wrong.

Det secured the Pick at 1:33 remaining. Unless TB had more than 1 TO remaining, the Lions can run the clock out. (assume 4 seconds per knee). First down knee and a TO is like 1:29 left. Second Knee would be down to around 45 seconds left. Final knee should aim to take all of the time off or they still have to do a knee on 4th down with 2 seconds left or something.

Assume that Bowles signaled to Campbell that he's not calling a TO so that they just take the knee can call it. Kind of the unwritten rules of the game between coaches. Otherwise no reason for Goff to have taken the 2nd down snap and knee at 1:07 left. Probably still would have taken the TO and make Detroit actually manage the clock. They wouldn't Kick a FG. Just punt it if they couldn't drain the clock all the way down.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Det secured the Pick at 1:33 remaining. Unless TB had more than 1 TO remaining, the Lions can run the clock out. (assume 4 seconds per knee). First down knee and a TO is like 1:29 left. Second Knee would be down to around 45 seconds left. Final knee should aim to take all of the time off or they still have to do a knee on 4th down with 2 seconds left or something.

Assume that Bowles signaled to Campbell that he's not calling a TO so that they just take the knee can call it. Kind of the unwritten rules of the game between coaches. Otherwise no reason for Goff to have taken the 2nd down snap and knee at 1:07 left. Probably still would have taken the TO and make Detroit actually manage the clock. They wouldn't Kick a FG. Just punt it if they couldn't drain the clock all the way down.

Play clock there runs out with 23 seconds left, they presumably kneel it before that and then you take the timeout. Clock is stopped with 23 seconds remaining on 4th and 13 and their choices are punt, run a play going for a 1st down, or kneel and give TB the ball right where it is. All of those options are superior to TB just letting it wind down. If TB just gave up in a one possession game that's very bad. It's one thing if it were two possessions, but it wasn't.

 

[StreetHawk]

Play clock there runs out with 23 seconds left, they presumably kneel it before that and then you take the timeout. Clock is stopped with 23 seconds remaining and their choices are punt, run a play going for a 1st down, or give TB the ball right where it is. All of those options are superior to TB just letting it wind down.

I'm again, playing with the assumption that there was a reason Goff took only 26 seconds off the clock between the 1st and 2nd down snap for a reason. Otherwise, you take the full 40 between snaps. Goff has been in the NFL too long to be messing up a kneel down timing.
40 second play clock, so for sure you can drain 80 seconds between 2 of the snaps. The remaining 13 seconds of the 93 when they took over, you're hoping to eat it all up during the kneel down, or on 4th down if you need it.

Even if a knee is quick at 2 seconds, if you properly manage it, you are leaving TB with less than 10 seconds on the clock before 4th down is run.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm again, playing with the assumption that there was a reason Goff took only 26 seconds off the clock between the 1st and 2nd down snap for a reason. Otherwise, you take the full 40 between snaps. Goff has been in the NFL too long to be messing up a kneel down timing.

Even if a knee is quick at 2 seconds, if you properly manage it, you are leaving TB with less than 10 seconds on the clock before 4th down.

Veterans have made dumber mistakes than that, though.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The coach lost the team and we think it is a good idea to bring him back?

So to be fair, I don’t know if Sirianni lost the team or not. Maybe it can be salvaged - but we can totally agree Sirianni should be/should have been on the hot seat.

As much as I wanted Sirianni fired, it probably isn’t a sign of great management if they fire coaches so fast after SB appearances without great cause.

So I don’t love it, but I understand why Sirianni would return. The big crux for me is that they MUST bring in good coordinators to flank Sirianni now.

 

[philly_28]

The coach lost the team and we think it is a good idea to bring him back?

After the comments by Kelce and Cox after the season I very much doubt that Sirianni has lost the team. That's the very core of the leadership group right there.

And if he hasn't lost the team, I think it's fair to give the coach who went to the Super Bowl with them just a year ago to fix the mess that was the backend of this season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I will say Bowles is probably better off saying he lost track or didn't notice Goff kneeled early, no matter what happened, because telling gamblers who lost money "Ah yeah Campbell and I sign languaged it and decided to let the one possession game run out" is probably not going to be a popular thing. Especially since Floridian gamblers are involved. Best to be incompetent than tell a bunch of PCP enthusiasts that you chose to lose their money.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I will say Bowles is probably better off saying he lost track or didn't notice Goff kneeled early, no matter what happened, because telling gamblers who lost money "Ah yeah Campbell and I sign languaged it and decided to let the one possession game run out" is probably not going to be a popular thing. Especially since Floridian gamblers are involved. Best to be incompetent than tell a bunch of PCP enthusiasts that you chose to lose their money.

But it's totally fine for the league to be in bed with sports books. Even the terrible officiating is fine.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[philly_28]

But it's totally fine for the league to be in bed with sports books. Even the terrible officiating is fine.

Saw a post today by ESPN how James Cook entered the 4th quarter with 67 rushing yards. O/u was 61.5.

Had 4 rushes in the 4th (-4, -3, 0, 1), ended the night with 61 yeards.

The post was lamenting his 4th quarter for everyone who bet the over.

It gives off extremely weird vibes when ESPN posts sh*t like that. Like, I don't care, let degenerate gamblern worry about that. It's weird when a sports news page is reporting that...

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Saw a post today by ESPN how James Cook entered the 4th quarter with 67 rushing yards. O/u was 61.5.

Had 4 rushes in the 4th (-4, -3, 0, 1), ended the night with 61 yeards.

The post was lamenting his 4th quarter for everyone who bet the over.

It gives off extremely weird vibes when ESPN posts sh*t like that. Like, I don't care, let degenerate gamblern worry about that. It's weird when a sports news page is reporting that...

ESPN has a Sportsbook now also.

 

[Halladay]

After the comments by Kelce and Cox after the season I very much doubt that Sirianni has lost the team. That's the very core of the leadership group right there.

And if he hasn't lost the team, I think it's fair to give the coach who went to the Super Bowl with them just a year ago to fix the mess that was the backend of this season.

Their play on the field would suggest otherwise though. They lost to the Cardinals, got killed by the Giants, and got destroyed by Tampa. Two of them are bad teams and the other is average at best.

So to be fair, I don’t know if Sirianni lost the team or not. Maybe it can be salvaged - but we can totally agree Sirianni should be/should have been on the hot seat.

As much as I wanted Sirianni fired, it probably isn’t a sign of great management if they fire coaches so fast after SB appearances without great cause.

So I don’t love it, but I understand why Sirianni would return. The big crux for me is that they MUST bring in good coordinators to flank Sirianni now.

My issue is what exactly does Nick do? It's not call an effective offense. i think they are just delaying the inevitable. So they bring in good coordinators, and they have success that means they will be looking for new coordinators in a year or two. Then the cycle repeats.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Remember when we had like a decade of Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Dawkins, Lito Shepherd, Sheldon Brown? We had strong secondary play for a long time but that seems to be a thing of the past outside of a decent player here and there. I’m not even sure if a dominant secondary can exist anymore with the way the offense and passing game are favored

 

[BrindamoursNose]

My issue is what exactly does Nick do? It's not call an effective offense. i think they are just delaying the inevitable. So they bring in good coordinators, and they have success that means they will be looking for new coordinators in a year or two. Then the cycle repeats.

Hah - I think that's a fair question. We have a HC who doesn't specialize in offense or defense. Doesn't primarily call plays. The best answer I can give is "He's a motivator" - which has its place, but holy s*** that does not inspire confidence in me after those awful, awful games SEA and beyond. I don't know if he lost the team, but it was dysfunctional AF. Could be his fault - I dunno. But I'm OK if they give him another year if Lurie/Howie determined there were other factors that caused it.

I don't think there's an established cycle yet - but I do think they can be in danger of beginning one soon. Hopefully they snap out of it with the coaching this year overall and we can all be happy.