DancingPanther
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Other Sports: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): THIS IS BRAZIL - Super Bowl LIX Champions
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ajgoal
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DancingPanther
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You're referring to a vocal minority. Just because you see forum posts or listen to the same 5 WIP callers complaining, doesn't mean they speak for the entire fanbase.
Also, kick rocks.
BrindamoursNose
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For someone named ChaosLord, you seem to suggest absolute order...fall in line or ye be labeled YELLA! You should change your name to Incongruence Lord!
But yea anyway, it's healthy to question your team. It is NOT healthy to do what like 3 people did all season, which is to say Sirianni should be fired, Elliot should be cut right before playoffs, Hurts won't be in the league in 2 years, Jayden Daniels is too much to handle, etc etc etc
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Gregor Samsa
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Also the internet seems to bring out strong opinions for attention. I don’t listen to it but I imagine talk radio is the same
DancingPanther
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I'm not thrilled about it, but there's an opportunity for an upgrade here.
Of course, any opportunity for an upgrade is an opportunity for a downgrade lol
Just can't have Nick calling plays
Similar to the Seattle cover 3 defence in the LOB days. It’s a simple scheme which asks the players to make plays.
But you needed the talent to execute it at a high level, which as that team aged they could not replace.
Also as more teams copied that scheme with Bradley, Quinn, Saleh, Richard, etc. leaving for other positions they implemented it at their new destinations thus teams got to see more of it and could game plan against it better to find the soft spots or how to put the defender in a difficult position.
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Beef Invictus
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Yeah. Successful NFL defense is when everyone understands what is happening, what their teammates are doing, and what they individually are supposed to do. Gimme the Brain Guys out of college every time.
Whitt in DC got slammed for steadily dumbing down his defense. He openly admitted in an interview that if guys aren't on the same page more than a couple times, that read is ripped out of the playbook. They stripped down until they found the thing they all understood, and a dirt simple defense played by a severe lack of talent worked far better than what they started with because it was more cohesive. Jim Haslett came up with all kinds of schemes and reads and situational shit that the players conceded was brilliant; problem was that nobody could keep it all straight and the result was total shit. The key is a solid plan executed really well. Don't outsmart yourself or your own roster.
Fangio had everyone on the same page. Everyone understood what KC does this year with their roster, and understood what they were meant to do when they were doing the thing they do. Totally amazing how much difference even 3rd and 6th made for KC rather than their usual 3rd and 3. First defense in a very long time that I don't think fell for a single Reid mindgame, and they did it with full confidence and authority. It was impressive. It must have taken a lot of work.
On the KC side, Spags sold out on stopping Barkley and dared Hurts to beat them. Good news for KC: they shut down Saquon really well. Bad news for KC: They lost the Hurts gambit severely. Maybe that defensive plan works if their offense keeps up but that didn't happen.
JojoTheWhale
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For how I personally think about defense, Fangio and Pete Carroll lie on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Cover 3 fell out of fashion because Single High Zones did. Part of that was schematic, but part of it was also not having the lynchpin to run it. Tampa 2 only succeeded as a base because Derrick Brooks was an alien. Seattle Cover 3 only thrived as a base because of Earl Thomas. Once he fell off, that period was over. At their peak, Seattle was running >50% Cover 3 and a ton of Cover 1. They were largely a static defense. QBs were confident in their pre-snap reads.
Fangio varies his coverage plenty. Off the top of my head, they ran ~20%+ of Cover 1, Cover 3, Quarters, and Cover 6. Hell, they run 4 distinct personnel packages. The whole point is that it's not simple, but it has the illusion of it. It tries to present unified looks to the QB and then change the look via things like rotations out of them around the snap. It wasn't just DeJean starting that helped everything gel. The players needed time and reps to learn the system.
Cover 3 fell out of fashion because Single High Zones did. Part of that was schematic, but part of it was also not having the lynchpin to run it. Tampa 2 only succeeded as a base because Derrick Brooks was an alien. Seattle Cover 3 only thrived as a base because of Earl Thomas. Once he fell off, that period was over. At their peak, Seattle was running >50% Cover 3 and a ton of Cover 1. They were largely a static defense. QBs were confident in their pre-snap reads.
Fangio varies his coverage plenty. Off the top of my head, they ran ~20%+ of Cover 1, Cover 3, Quarters, and Cover 6. Hell, they run 4 distinct personnel packages. The whole point is that it's not simple, but it has the illusion of it. It tries to present unified looks to the QB and then change the look via things like rotations out of them around the snap. It wasn't just DeJean starting that helped everything gel. The players needed time and reps to learn the system.
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VladDrag
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No idea what this is.....Now I know what it feels like when I post xG stats about Frost and no one else knows what they mean.
Beef Invictus
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When I am in charge we are using science to bring back the 46.
Edit: Speaking of packages, the consistency across personnel was also amazing. EVERYONE was on the same page, knew what they were looking at, knew what to do. There was no group of players looking at a situation and reading it wrongly. There was nothing to pick on.
I mean, maybe late game when they broke through but the game was so thoroughly over I can't take that seriously.
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JojoTheWhale
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Can we have Fullbacks and Linebackers with neck rolls too?
Beef Invictus
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Neck rolls will be a necessity because we are going to save on equipment costs by genetically engineering natural pads onto players. Meat rolls.
Taijuan Fedotov
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Appreciation to Moore for staying focused on his current position through the Super Bowl, unlike that complete loser coaching the Cardinals.
There were also many who had legit issues with Hurts around decision making, late on throws and bailing from the pocket. Those comments get taken out of context as saying Hurts sucks, when its not the case, its just flaws that can limit him sometimes. But most of those also said he's a winner and gamer -- hes always had those flaws but when the game is on the line or its a big game he is pretty clutch.
Sirianni I think the hate comes from people who don't like his personality but you cant say that instead you have to make up something else.
It also didn't hurt that the Chiefs were coached by the Eagles-era Andy Reid, where adjustments meant weakness.To summarize:
Normally Mahomes does this:
On Sunday he was limited to:
JojoTheWhale
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EPA = Estimated Points Added. Usually measured per play or per specific type of play (run, pass, screen, deep throw, etc). More is more gooder for the offense.
