OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Don't Cry Because It's Over, Smile Because it Happened (Offseason - 2023)

[achdumeingute]

So….are these Budda Baker trade rumors legit. I really, really like this player. No idea what it’d coast to acquire or if it’d be a smart use of resources. He’s just soooo good guys.

I just don't know how we fit that cap hit....it's more than our current space, per OTC.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

So….are these Budda Baker trade rumors legit. I really, really like this player. No idea what it’d coast to acquire or if it’d be a smart use of resources. He’s just soooo good guys.


Also, Schrager with Bijan to the Eagles lol. Bijan is one of my favorite players from this draft and I still wouldn’t draft him at 10. But at 30? Yeah, that’d be fine with me.

For a guy like Robinson if he's your guy, especially in a year where you have an EXTRA top ten pick, you take him. Yes the RB position is not as valuable as it used to be and yes you can get value guys later rounds or as UDFAs, but if he is what he is supposed to be and you add him to an already high-flying offense it makes the team nearly impossible to defend against. He likely wouldn't have the same 1:1 impact that a more "valuable" position would have, but his impact by way of just being there as a threat would. If the hype is real and he is a Derick Henry kind of player that opens the passing game up big time. He may not get 1,000 rushing yards and 20+ TDs, but adding a big-time RB to the offense would be wild.

If you are the Bears at 9 taking Robinson makes little sense. If you are the Eagles at 10 it makes a lot of sense even if there is a better positional player available. If they trade back a handful of spots to 11-15 I'd wager he is still there and definitely take him there and be thrilled. I'd be psyched if they take him at 10. Here's the summary on him from The Beast:

That's my guy with our first pick, unless they somehow are trading up to get Will Anderson. I'd love to see Howie somehow trade up for Anderson and then trade up again for Robinson. Will never happen but a boy can dream! If not Bijan though you gotta go with one of the Edge Rushers like Smith, Van Ness, etc. Or Christian Gonzalez if he's there.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Do we have access to Sanders success rate, efficiency, and yards after contact metrics? I bet they’re completely bonkers banana town good.

Sadly, no. The best we have are era adjustments. Those basically place him either 2nd or 3rd in every metric we have, alternating with Jim Brown.

If you don't know who comes out first in these things, boy do I have a criminally underrated doozy for you.

Spoiler

Jamaal Charles

 

[philly_28]

The Hurts extension reminded me that the Eagles signed Sam Bradford to an extension and then traded him before playing one single snap on that extension and incurring a massive (for that time) dead cap hit from the extension.

Only to do the same thing again with Wentz a few years later.

And somehow both extensions and both trades were the right thing to do (with the information available at the respective time, the extensions obviously not in hindsight).

It's Howie's world and we're just living in it, haha.

 

[philly_28]

Sadly, no. The best we have are era adjustments. Those basically place him either 2nd or 3rd in every metric we have, alternating with Jim Brown.

If you don't know who comes out first in these things, boy do I have a criminally underrated doozy for you.

Spoiler

Jamaal Charles

Damn, that's crazy. Too bad his career happened a few years too early on some mediocre to bad Chiefs teams. Can you imagine how much more he would be appreciated if he played under Reid and with Mahomes?

 

[TB87]

Damn, that's crazy. Too bad his career happened a few years too early on some mediocre to bad Chiefs teams. Can you imagine how much more he would be appreciated if he played under Reid and with Mahomes?

They’d be a shoo-in for a Super Bowl appearance from the AFC every season (potential injuries being basically the only obstacle). They’d be the best offense ever. It’d be amazing

 

[TB87]

Sadly, no. The best we have are era adjustments. Those basically place him either 2nd or 3rd in every metric we have, alternating with Jim Brown.

If you don't know who comes out first in these things, boy do I have a criminally underrated doozy for you.

Spoiler

Jamaal Charles

Charles finished A FULL SEASON in 2010 with 6.4 yards per carry. That’s a very surface level stat but that is mind blowing. Charles is/was a phenomenal running back.

 

[Chinatown88]

So other teams are calling. Wonder if he even gets a 2nd.

Sadly, no. The best we have are era adjustments. Those basically place him either 2nd or 3rd in every metric we have, alternating with Jim Brown.

If you don't know who comes out first in these things, boy do I have a criminally underrated doozy for you.

Spoiler

Jamaal Charles

ONE OF MY GOATS FOR FANTASY

 

[RockLobster]

Really bummed that PFF moved their Mock Draft Simulator largely behind a paywall

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Really bummed that PFF moved their Mock Draft Simulator largely behind a paywall

PFN and ESPN are still free.

 

[RockLobster]

PFN and ESPN are still free.

ESPN's is ass, and PFN is fine but it's not near as good when it comes to trades and whatnot (just my opinion, of course).

 

[JojoTheWhale]

ESPN's is ass, and PFN is fine but it's not near as good when it comes to trades and whatnot (just my opinion, of course).

There’s no right or wrong answer to this, but what do you dislike about ESPN’s? Is it the interface or the actual draft board?

I’m asking because those seem to be the two major complaints. The former is pretty inarguable. But the latter is interesting because it’s built specifically to be predictive. The others aren’t.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[RockLobster]

There’s no right or wrong answer to this, but what do you dislike about ESPN’s? Is it the interface or the actual draft board?

I’m asking because those seem to be the two major complaints. The former is pretty inarguable. But the latter is interesting because it’s built specifically to be predictive. The others aren’t.

Interface is fine. UI doesn't mean THAT much to me.

But I'd like to see teams asking to trade up rather than me seek them out. PFF's did a good job with that imo. And I felt that, depending on who is available, it did a good job in trade valuation.

With ESPN's, I've had Levis on the board and attempted to trade back to TEN, HOU (who didn't take a QB at 2), or TB all with believing I should get a little more since QB's are supposed to be worth more, but all of them decline. The TB one pissed me off the most because I asked for their 2nd w/ their 1st and they said no...let alone my thinking that if they'd hypothetically move up for a QB it would likely cost their 2nd on top of a high '24 pick too.

 

[Chinatown88]

There’s no right or wrong answer to this, but what do you dislike about ESPN’s? Is it the interface or the actual draft board?

I’m asking because those seem to be the two major complaints. The former is pretty inarguable. But the latter is interesting because it’s built specifically to be predictive. The others aren’t.

IDK if it's a glitch but I tried to do 7 rounds and did some trades and it ended after 3. Unless I'ma dummy.


Edit: OH now you work properly because I threatened the ESPN web devs with Jojo.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Interface is fine. UI doesn't mean THAT much to me.

But I'd like to see teams asking to trade up rather than me seek them out. PFF's did a good job with that imo. And I felt that, depending on who is available, it did a good job in trade valuation.

With ESPN's, I've had Levis on the board and attempted to trade back to TEN, HOU (who didn't take a QB at 2), or TB all with believing I should get a little more since QB's are supposed to be worth more, but all of them decline. The TB one pissed me off the most because I asked for their 2nd w/ their 1st and they said no...let alone my thinking that if they'd hypothetically move up for a QB it would likely cost their 2nd on top of a high '24 pick too.

Got it, thanks. I'll pass on the CPU-initiated trade bit to someone who helped make it. Notice how the accepted trade percentage is always the same exact breakpoints on the PFF simulator? That's because they're arbitrary shelves.

The positional value chart is an interesting problem. PFF is the only one that does that. I think that's outside the scope of the goals for their model, but I'll pass that on too. One thing I would note is that the way these are coded means that there will be times even in PFF's simulator where any one or group of teams who need a QB won't be interested in Levis at all. That could just be smaller probabilities aligning poorly for you in that run.

 

[Chinatown88]

Got it, thanks. I'll pass on the CPU-initiated trade bit to someone who helped make it. Notice how the accepted trade percentage is always the same exact breakpoints on the PFF simulator? That's because they're arbitrary shelves.

The positional value chart is an interesting problem. PFF is the only one that does that. I think that's outside the scope of the goals for their model, but I'll pass that on too. One thing I would note is that the way these are coded means that there will be times even in PFF's simulator where any one or group of teams who need a QB won't be interested in Levis at all. That could just be smaller probabilities aligning poorly for you in that run.

For ESPN? Plz that would be really nice to have. Or as the kids say Poggers

 

[Beef Invictus]

Never ever trust anyone who has played with a Tagabvoailaoaoao

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hendon Hooker is going to be the star of this draft. Just watch. He will be a legend.

 

[DancingPanther]

Sadness. No longer a sleeper

For ESPN? Plz that would be really nice to have. Or as the kids say Poggers

Poggies even

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Not again.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Surely that guy isn't at risk of being drafted anywhere by anyone

 

[Chinatown88]

Not again.

I'm blaming this visit for bad juju if everything breaks the wrong way during the draft.

Also why?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I'm blaming this visit for bad juju if everything breaks the wrong way during the draft.

Also why?

He’s been visiting a good bit of teams. I don’t think he’ll actually get drafted or make a roster though. By all accounts he’s a good kid, so that’s probably more so driving whatever interest is there.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s coaching in college a few years from now.