Confirmed Trade: [PHI/NSH/VGK] Ryan Ellis to PHI, Cody Glass and Philippe Myers to NSH, Nolan Patrick to VGK

[Osprey]

Ryan Ellis, the race car driver, has been having a lot of fun with it on Twitter. Besides "Trade me back" (which has been posted a couple of times here), he's responded to the news at least half a dozen other times. Apparently, he's a big Capitals fan and hates the Flyers, which puts it all into context.

Ryan Ellis, the NASCAR driver, goes viral after Ryan Ellis, the hockey player, gets traded

 

[HanSolo]

Glass was given every opportunity, he's just not good enough for this league, yet.

Glass was given every opportunity briefly. They buried him on the third line his rookie year out of roster necessity. A third line where he constantly had to try to get the puck from from other team's third-fourth line grinders because Eakin was turning the puck over constantly. Glass is above average defensively but that's not how you should be utilizing a thin bodied offensive playmaker. As a consequence of playing a role he wasn't built for on his off position he suffered three significant injuries. The only time he got to use his talent was on the Steve Spott (eg utterly incompetently coached) powerplay where he tended to do pretty well. Because of these injuries, which could have been avoided by sending him to the AHL where he could get better development under first line minutes, Glass missed a ton of time.

Time he used to build his body up to physically handle the NHL at the expense of some speed. His first 5 or so games he looked expectedly rusty but the next few he looked like he was improving every game. Then he started getting healthy scratched because Kolesar's 1 way contract left no room for Cody's. Instead of being sent to the AHL they kept him stuck on the taxi squad for practice scrimmages instead of first line minutes in the AHL.

So no I wouldn't really say they gave him every opportunity. They had every opportunity to develop him properly and missed every opportunity to do so. The standard by inference is that Glass should've been above a 0.5 ppg or higher player to have been worthy of a lineup spot. When the irony is he had a stretch this year being slightly below ppg, but got yanked for Kolesar's cap sake. It's kind of hard to maintain production on a historically streaky third line while getting yanked out of the lineup for cap gymnastics purposes.

 

[biturbo19]

The Ellis contract isn't my favourite, but a Provorov-Ellis pairing is going to be absolute dynamite, and put any concerns about that contract down the line, on the back burner. I think that pretty much locks down Philly with one of the more solid defence trios in the league, where they've had an absolutely glaring hole for years. Just finding a halfway competent partner like old man Niskanen for a year, really made that Philly defence corps make sense. A legitimately smart, skilled puck-mover with solid all-around play and mobility like Ellis...that's gonna do wonders. Plug Sanheim in around that, and you've got two good pairings. Ghostisbehere brings what he brings, assuming he's still around. He's a plenty capable offensive second pairing type guy.


The Vegas portion of this is kind of weird. Basically giving up on Cody Glass this early. But there's obviously a familiarity there with Nolan Patrick and the whole Wheat Kings deal. And Glass hasn't really seemed like the right fit with Vegas for whatever reason. I like the gamble from Nashville's end quite a bit. But for a team in Vegas' position, i guess they figure they need the guy Patrick was supposed to be if healthy, sooner...rather than potentially later, and don't want to wait on Glass to find his stride?

 

[habsfan44]

The Ellis contract isn't my favourite, but a Provorov-Ellis pairing is going to be absolute dynamite, and put any concerns about that contract down the line, on the back burner. I think that pretty much locks down Philly with one of the more solid defence trios in the league, where they've had an absolutely glaring hole for years. Just finding a halfway competent partner like old man Niskanen for a year, really made that Philly defence corps make sense. A legitimately smart, skilled puck-mover with solid all-around play and mobility like Ellis...that's gonna do wonders. Plug Sanheim in around that, and you've got two good pairings. Ghostisbehere brings what he brings, assuming he's still around. He's a plenty capable offensive second pairing type guy.


The Vegas portion of this is kind of weird. Basically giving up on Cody Glass this early. But there's obviously a familiarity there with Nolan Patrick and the whole Wheat Kings deal. And Glass hasn't really seemed like the right fit with Vegas for whatever reason. I like the gamble from Nashville's end quite a bit. But for a team in Vegas' position, i guess they figure they need the guy Patrick was supposed to be if healthy, sooner...rather than potentially later, and don't want to wait on Glass to find his stride?

Everybody is going to be shocked when Patrick ends up being the best player in this trade .

 

[biturbo19]

Everybody is going to be shocked when Patrick ends up being the best player in this trade .

He does have the pedigree and the talent. He was drafted that high, and talked about as a presumptive #1 pick for quite a while for a reason. But it doesn't seem to have materialized at the NHL level. He's had some opportunity too. Really just comes down to a question of how much of it is derailment due to health issues, vs he just doesn't have it.

If there's anywhere for a previously off the radar Center to blossom into something significant...it's Vegas though. Weird stuff happens there.

 

[Tripod]

Everybody is going to be shocked when Patrick ends up being the best player in this trade .

I won't be shocked.

People underestimate the effect of Patrick not being able to work out for almost 2 years due to migraines. Now healthy. Now migraines seemingly under control. Now able to work out in the offseason. Motivated to impress his new team.

 

[triggrman]

I would not be shocked either.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Everybody is going to be shocked when Patrick ends up being the best player in this trade .

As a flyers fan that has watched %85-90+ of Patrick’s NHL games, there’s no way in hell he ends up the best player in this trade. I have more confidence Myers will be a solid #4D than I do Nolan Patrick will ever be an average 3C

 

[habsfan44]

As a flyers fan that has watched %85-90+ of Patrick’s NHL games, there’s no way in hell he ends up the best player in this trade. I have more confidence Myers will be a solid #4D than I do Nolan Patrick will ever be an average 3C

You might be right but the way I see it ; he's going to a defensively sound contender and will play first line and # one powerplay minutes with guys like Pacioretty and Stone . I believe he'll thrive in this situation and realizes his full potential thus becoming the best player in this trade .

 

[CupInSIX]

I won't be shocked.

People underestimate the effect of Patrick not being able to work out for almost 2 years due to migraines. Now healthy. Now migraines seemingly under control. Now able to work out in the offseason. Motivated to impress his new team.

Patrick admitted the migraines were concussion-related the other day, which was fairly obvious but some people would not believe it.

 

[Pelle31]

Ultimately, this trade made sense for all parties.

Philly gets their Niskanen replacement, without having to mortgage their future or giving up anything of significance that would hurt them a lot now.

Nashville gets out of Ellis' contract and starts the re-tool by shifting towards younger and bigger outlook. They also add a potential top-six center in Glass who was in need for a change of scenery.

Vegas gets Patrick, a guy their GM knows and who could be rejuvenated in a new environment. It was clear that Glass was not going to breakout there so it made sense to trade him for a similar type of "prospect".

Well said, this trade could end up being beneficial for all 3 teams.

 

[FlyguyOX]

You might be right but the way I see it ; he's going to a defensively sound contender and will play first line and # one powerplay minutes with guys like Pacioretty and Stone . I believe he'll thrive in this situation and realizes his full potential thus becoming the best player in this trade .

Well you're not basing that opinion on any evidence. And that's fine. Plenty of that on HF.

 

[Tripod]

In the end, the Flyers:

Needed a top pairing RHD....had a #4 in Myers
Needed a #3C....had Patrick AND Frost as options....with Laughton as a fallback

Today, they need a middle pairing guy(if Ghost is not used there/or is gone)....and the still have Frost and Laughton as options as the #3C.

 

[Armourboy]

The Ellis contract isn't my favourite, but a Provorov-Ellis pairing is going to be absolute dynamite, and put any concerns about that contract down the line, on the back burner. I think that pretty much locks down Philly with one of the more solid defence trios in the league, where they've had an absolutely glaring hole for years. Just finding a halfway competent partner like old man Niskanen for a year, really made that Philly defence corps make sense. A legitimately smart, skilled puck-mover with solid all-around play and mobility like Ellis...that's gonna do wonders. Plug Sanheim in around that, and you've got two good pairings. Ghostisbehere brings what he brings, assuming he's still around. He's a plenty capable offensive second pairing type guy.


The Vegas portion of this is kind of weird. Basically giving up on Cody Glass this early. But there's obviously a familiarity there with Nolan Patrick and the whole Wheat Kings deal. And Glass hasn't really seemed like the right fit with Vegas for whatever reason. I like the gamble from Nashville's end quite a bit. But for a team in Vegas' position, i guess they figure they need the guy Patrick was supposed to be if healthy, sooner...rather than potentially later, and don't want to wait on Glass to find his stride?

Don't disagree with you really and that is one point, Ellis is not mobile. He's not a concrete post but skating is the weakest part of his game, well outside of no longer wanting to have anything to do with being hit.

If it wasn't for his hockey IQ his skating would be a much bigger issue than it has been over the years.

 

[habsfan44]

Well you're not basing that opinion on any evidence. And that's fine. Plenty of that on HF.

There's no evidence that he was a top ranked prospect in his draft year ? there's no evidence that people recover from concussion's and migraines ? There's no evidence that he's going to a better team to play with better player's ? How much evidence do you need ?

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I won't be shocked.

People underestimate the effect of Patrick not being able to work out for almost 2 years due to migraines. Now healthy. Now migraines seemingly under control. Now able to work out in the offseason. Motivated to impress his new team.

I wouldn’t lose too much sleep about it. It never seemed destined to happen in Philly. And, as has already been discussed ad nauseam, Ellis fills an imminent and more important need.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ellis said he hurt his knuckle, not his shoulder, and denied having surgery even though it was reported in March that he had.

 

[biturbo19]

Don't disagree with you really and that is one point, Ellis is not mobile. He's not a concrete post but skating is the weakest part of his game, well outside of no longer wanting to have anything to do with being hit.

If it wasn't for his hockey IQ his skating would be a much bigger issue than it has been over the years.

He's certainly not "fast" at all, but i'd still call him "mobile" overall, in that his lateral, all directions and short area movement is just fine, and gets him to where he needs to go plenty well. That's the component that tends to matter most for defencemen anyway. Quick, shifty, and agile enough to defend, get to pucks and move them, and be effective at the point offensively. Though you're probably right, in that his hockey IQ is a component of that as well, and difficult to completely extricate the efficiency of that.

I don't think he needs to be a bigtime puck rushing end-to-end speedster or elite Josi-esque skater to qualify as "mobile", for me at least. But it kinda sounds like we don't strictly disagree on what he is, more just on the meaning/application of the label. Maybe i shouldn't label him that, but ehhhh, i still would.

 

[Armourboy]

He's certainly not "fast" at all, but i'd still call him "mobile" overall, in that his lateral, all directions and short area movement is just fine, and gets him to where he needs to go plenty well. That's the component that tends to matter most for defencemen anyway. Quick, shifty, and agile enough to defend, get to pucks and move them, and be effective at the point offensively. Though you're probably right, in that his hockey IQ is a component of that as well, and difficult to completely extricate the efficiency of that.

I don't think he needs to be a bigtime puck rushing end-to-end speedster or elite Josi-esque skater to qualify as "mobile", for me at least. But it kinda sounds like we don't strictly disagree on what he is, more just on the meaning/application of the label. Maybe i shouldn't label him that, but ehhhh, i still would.

You aren't necessarily wrong but it really is about him reading the play than any real mobility. He will play larger gaps to compensate which isn't horrible, but it has caused issues of late as he often gets stuck screening the goalie rather than effectively blocking the shot.

I'll also be interested to see how much of that is effort driven and him more or less being to comfortable on the Preds. I suspect yall will see an uptick on that front as he will have a chip on his shoulder.

I always liked Ellis but it was disheartening to watch the team slip into some early season issues when he got back in the lineup. That same thing can be said about a couple of others to though.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Kimo Timmonen was never a very fast skater for a small D-man, too. Hockey IQ and puck moving ability will take you very far

 

[triggrman]

Kimo Timmonen was never a very fast skater for a small D-man, too. Hockey IQ and puck moving ability will take you very far

Kimmo was an excellent skater, their skating ability is not comparable at all.

 

[bauer]

Kimmo was an excellent skater, their skating ability is not comparable at all.

maybe in his 20s he was an excellent skater, but he sure as hell wasn't that when he was in Philly.

 

[Larry44]

Patrick admitted the migraines were concussion-related the other day, which was fairly obvious but some people would not believe it.

Patrick got nailed head first into the boards by Gabriel. Then in the next game he took a high hit to the head. Then a game or two later Clutterbuck hit him with a slapshot in the back of the head. He missed the last couple regular season games after that and had the migraines beginning after the head shot. I don't know how much clearer it could be. He had a concussion that triggered migraines. The team knew, which was why Fletcher was so, to his credit and I don't give him much, adamant about getting a 2C. That was a good plan. That it was Hayes for 7 long years and ED protected NMC is not to his credit, but he had to do something in expectation Patrick could not play (and did not play).

Patrick could be the best player in this trade by Christmas.

 

[Larry44]

There's no evidence that he was a top ranked prospect in his draft year ? there's no evidence that people recover from concussion's and migraines ? There's no evidence that he's going to a better team to play with better player's ? How much evidence do you need ?

There is plenty of evidence that Patrick is going to play for his first real coach and for a team with a discernible system for the first time. That could help!

 

[Armourboy]

maybe in his 20s he was an excellent skater, but he sure as hell wasn't that when he was in Philly.

Well he had been in the league for nearly 10 years by that point. If you didn't like his skating you aren't gonna be a huge fan of Ellis' either. He never had it to start with.