Confirmed Trade: [PHI/NSH/VGK] Ryan Ellis to PHI, Cody Glass and Philippe Myers to NSH, Nolan Patrick to VGK

[Soundgarden]

At first I wondered why Vegas would trade Glass for Patrick but then I remembered Kelly McCrimmon worked for the Wheat Kings forever, so he knows Patrick very well.

Interesting trade by Nashville tho - guess they're clearing a spot for Fabbro?

Ellis was usurped by Carrier in the playoffs this year. Our right side is pretty young with Carrier, Fabbro and Myers now.

 

[Voight]

Ellis was usurped by Carrier in the playoffs this year. Our right side is pretty young with Carrier, Fabbro and Myers now.

Yea, Nashville seems to be good at getting rid of "older" guys and immediately replacing them with younger ones.

 

[PredsV82]

Myers is a fine, dime-a-dozen player.
He's gonna be in the NHL for years to come, but he's not gonna magically turn into Colton Parayko or something

The best part of this trade for Philadelphia is that, if Nolan Patrick somehow becomes a 60pt player, Nashville will be the ones that carry the burden of having traded him. Flyers will never regret trading him because they somehow turned him into a proven commodity high end RHD.
The worry was always "what if they gave up Patrick for a 3rd or 2nd and Patrick breaks out? how big of a f*** up would that be." They don't have to worry abut that now

Bolded is not a worry. We have a ready made excuse I'm such a situation, specifically "he never would have done that in our system"

We have been so shitty at developing forwards for 23 years that the fanbase now assumes any talented forward prospect would be turned into a "reliable 2 way forward " here...

 

[PredsV82]

At first I wondered why Vegas would trade Glass for Patrick but then I remembered Kelly McCrimmon worked for the Wheat Kings forever, so he knows Patrick very well.

Interesting trade by Nashville tho - guess they're clearing a spot for Fabbro?

Carrier actually is probably Ellis immediate replacement

 

[triggrman]

Carrier actually is probably Ellis immediate replacement

Pretty much already was.

Ellis struggled last season, Preds getting out while they still could.

 

[Pelle31]

And like most UFA contracts given to 30 year olds, they become anchors in the last half.

Truth is this is a silly debate. If Philly feels like they are in a window, and needed a PMD, well, they got one. If hes healthy, hes not gonna suck and will probably be pretty good.

But the Preds window has moved back. We arent gonna be seriously competitive until Tomasino and Tolvanen reach their potential, and maybe not until Askarov is ready. So keeping Ellis when his game doesnt fit our coaches system and when hes probably gonna be post-prime when we are ready to make a run again makes no sense. So Poile got two young players plus a protection spot for someone plus 6mil plus in cap space. If Philly wins the Cup next year, most Preds fans will be happy for Ellis and not curse the trade. Not sure why this make me or the Preds "losers"

Yes Ellis staying healthy for the next 6 years will be watched by Flyers fans and other fans. It's a trade that Fletcher and the Flyers had to make and they didn't give away the farm to get a defensemen like Seth Jones who's in the final year of his contract. Ellis will work will with Provorov and if Fletcher can pick up another veteran defensemen to be paired with Sanheim then it will be great. Besides the last time the Flyers traded for a defensemen from Nashville turned out to be pretty good. Losing Myers might be felt down the road but he probably had to be part of the trade for Nashville. Myers paired with a veteran D will help his development. As for Patrick who knows what will happen to him in Vegas, but he's reunited with his junior GM/coach.

 

[braindead]

In fairness to Ellis and the trade, perspective matters here. As pointed out by some flyers fans, he is a significant upgrade even if he isn’t Norris level or has regressed from his prime. We predator fans have been blessed by and spoiled by world class defenseman for years. Timonen, Weber, $uter, Jones, PK, Ellis, Josi, Ekholm. I think we tend to view defensemen and also regression through the lens of historically great seasons by truly great players, which the Flyers don’t need for this to be a very good trade.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

He missed all of 2019-2020 with a migraine disorder

Ok? You realize migraines can be incredibly debilitating right?

 

[surixon]

People are just making shit up about Glass, so I'll fill you guys in. Injuries, roster decisions and cap issues have equally derailed his development. I also suspect offseason training advise(bulking up his slender frame) slowed him down considerably.

His 'compete level' and confidence were almost non-existent, and he's even seen a sports psychologist. When he finally got a chance to center the 3rd & 1st line, he didn't mesh with anyone and his playmaking ability was never utilized on the PP. Glass lost every puck battle, handled the puck like a grenade and was always a split second behind on every play.

I don't know if he could ever get his skating back to what would be considered average, but he's too talented a playmaker to not become a PP specialist. His iq, defensive awareness & vision are all great, but it's marred by his glacier-like skating & laziness.

His effort level even in the AHL at the end of the season was fading. Glass loves to check out by the 3rd period & go home early.

That is interesting because Glass used to be a very good skater (Not elite but plenty quick enough for the NHL). Maybe injuries and poor training have cost him there.

Hopefully he can correct it as I thought he was a pretty darn good junior player and a pretty safe bet to be a top 6 C in the NHL.

 

[surixon]

Because the Vegas GM was Patrick's Junior coach. If Patrick is healthy I think this trade would be closer BUT... Philly wins as Ellis is the real thing!

You have to think McCrimmon believes he can get Nolan back on track. No way he makes this deal if he doesn't. It is pretty risky for the Knights but if it pays off and they get that big physical top 6 C then it was a shrewd move.

Not really sure what to make of Glass's development but he was probably in need of a change in scenery.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Glass for Patrick? Holy crap Vegas got taken to the cleaners.

We'll see. Whether Glass was worth his contract is subject to debate.

 

[tucker3434]

I wanted to give Nolan Patrick a try in Colorado, but I think I prefer Glass to Patrick. Patrick seems like more of a gamble.

 

[Pia8988]

You have to think McCrimmon believes he can get Nolan back on track. No way he makes this deal if he doesn't. It is pretty risky for the Knights but if it pays off and they get that big physical top 6 C then it was a shrewd move.

Not really sure what to make of Glass's development but he was probably in need of a change in scenery.

Expect Patrick to be given all the chances glass wasn't. Look for him to start top line game 1.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Expect Patrick to be given all the chances glass wasn't. Look for him to start top line game 1.

Line 1: LW Pacioretty C Patrick RW Stone

 

[Pia8988]

Line 1: LW Pacioretty C Patrick RW Stone

You joke, but I fully expect that to happen.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Expect Patrick to be given all the chances glass wasn't. Look for him to start top line game 1.

Funny because he was given those chances in Philly. Not sure why Vegas never played glass in a role more suited for him. Bottom 6 checking minutes and net front on the PP is not his game

 

[Tripod]

In fairness to Ellis and the trade, perspective matters here. As pointed out by some flyers fans, he is a significant upgrade even if he isn’t Norris level or has regressed from his prime. We predator fans have been blessed by and spoiled by world class defenseman for years. Timonen, Weber, $uter, Jones, PK, Ellis, Josi, Ekholm. I think we tend to view defensemen and also regression through the lens of historically great seasons by truly great players, which the Flyers don’t need for this to be a very good trade.

Great point. Similar to the Flyers having lots of centres by comparison. Lindros, Carter, Richards, Briere, Giroux, Couts, etc...

 

[CupInSIX]

That is interesting because Glass used to be a very good skater (Not elite but plenty quick enough for the NHL). Maybe injuries and poor training have cost him there.

Hopefully he can correct it as I thought he was a pretty darn good junior player and a pretty safe bet to be a top 6 C in the NHL.

I thought he'd have his legs back by April but it never happened. Who knows, maybe he will bounce back from those knee injuries. Vegas certainly has written him off like Haula though.

 

[elitepete]

Flyers add the best player in the deal and somehow you think they easily lose, eh?

Of course they got the best player. But that’s not the only factor to consider in a trade.

 

[elitepete]

This is a fine deal for the Flyers. With two highly touted D prospects in the pipeline, they could afford to move Myers. And looking at this as purely a hockey trade, the Flyers got the best player in the deal. He will be a nice compliment to Provorov. Hopefully, they're not finished and can add one more established top 4 defender.

It would have been a better deal for Philly if it was Sanheim instead

 

[CupInSIX]

Line 1: LW Pacioretty C Patrick RW Stone

Over Howden?

 

[seafoam]

Pretty much already was.

Ellis struggled last season, Preds getting out while they still could.

Yes and maybe no, Ellis could be revitalized in a new environment. It's not as black and white as you think.

Nashville is smart to get younger, but Philly also needs proven defenders which Ellis is.

 

[predwings]

This board is hilarious. Everyone competing to say their guy sucked worse than the other teams guy

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I'm mad at how good a deal it is for everyone involved. Cody Glass has higher upside than Nolan Patrick, Philippe Myers is at least a mid-pair D, and Philly gets the best player involved. Meanwhile, Vegas chooses to gamble on a high ceiling-low floor player in Patrick that either doesn’t work out for basically free, or pops off and wins them a Cup. There are worse places for Patrick to be than on a team with Mark Stone and a player's GM like Kelly McCrimmon.

If Patrick has a low floor and "high ceiling" yet Glass has a higher "ceiling" How god damn high is his potential ceiling

 

[Evergreen]

It would have been a better deal for Philly if it was Sanheim instead

Lol no.