Contract Termination: [PHI] F Ryan Johansen placed on waivers by the Flyers for the purpose of contract termination (Johansen grieving)

[Armourboy]

I meant that this isn't a situation where a guy needs a fresh start after being marred by injuries like Monahan, who has pretty much universally liked by his team mates. Johansen was lazy in Colorado and their core players didn't like his effort. Not the type of player you want around a young team.

Well not only that I'm not sure its the kind of injuries you can make better and really come back from even if the effort was there.

He was never that fast to start with, but multiple leg/ankle injuries have pretty much taken whatever was there away. No amount of effort or being a good teammate is going to fix that.

 

[StreetHawk]

"Why not both" meme probably fits best. He has had some pretty bad injuries over the years, the one he got in the playoffs in 2017, we thought maybe he had a ruptured achilles in last year with the Preds, but it turned out not to have been ruptured. Anyway, I don't doubt stuff has taken a toll and he is physically diminished. He claims his hip injury is too bad to play (conveniently diagnosed after being sent to the minors by Philly, despite that he could play through it with Colorado). Philly apparently accepted that. At the time in letting him not report to the AHL, later in not pursuing a buyout, and right up until he started doing dance moves at his wedding? They were ok with LTIRing him and accepting his injured status. But at the same time, spotting grounds for material breach and termination was a bonus opportunity for them to save that LTIR hassle (plus whatever leftover amount insurance wasn't covering?)

He's probably "hurting". Which lots of veteran players are. To what extent he could play through it (in his case probably very ineffectively), vs. sit out on LTIR, I don't know. But according to him and his agent he needs surgery, they have consulted on that with Philly staff and third party doctors, and he actually had hip surgery scheduled at the time of termination. So I think it's fair to believe there is indeed an injury.

In terms of LTIR, Philly has Ellis on LTIR as well. Are they going to be able to operate u see the cap even with Ellis contract if they are successful with this termination?

 

[Lunatik]

Dubois definitely used a No Movement Clause to get out of Columbus…did you watch some of his final games for the Jackets…he barely moved

No he did not. Dubois wasn't even eligible for a NTC or NMC while he was in Columbus

Players are not allowed to have these clauses during their "RFA Years", which is either less than 7 years accrued, or under the age of 27... for Dubois that ended on June 30, 2024 at teh age of 26 because he had accrued 7 NHL seasons.

 

[Ciao]

No he did not. Dubois wasn't even eligible for a NTC or NMC while he was in Columbus

Players are not allowed to have these clauses during their "RFA Years", which is either less than 7 years accrued, or under the age of 27... for Dubois that ended on June 30, 2024 at teh age of 26 because he had accrued 7 NHL seasons.

Whoosh.

PLD wasn't moving on the ice, dude! A one-player strike. He might as well have carried a sign on a stick that said "I'm done here!"

 

[crashthenet]

When does this get decided on?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

No he did not. Dubois wasn't even eligible for a NTC or NMC while he was in Columbus

Players are not allowed to have these clauses during their "RFA Years", which is either less than 7 years accrued, or under the age of 27... for Dubois that ended on June 30, 2024 at teh age of 26 because he had accrued 7 NHL seasons.

Might want to get your sarcasm detector checked! ;o)

 

[hockeykicker]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839359051400159302

 

[thedjpd]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839359051400159302

This should be fun!

 

[banks]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839359051400159302

They've only now filed a grievance? How can this process take so long? How!?

 

[gstommylee]

They've only now filed a grievance? How can this process take so long? How!?

I believe CBA states player/union had 60 days to file an appeal/grievance after the termination was done.

 

[CanMerc]

The 5 states of grief are; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance…..he must be stuck on bargaining

 

[ponder719]

The 5 states of grief are; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance..wonder which one he’s stuck on

Stage 2.5: "Give me my money."

 

[Shark Finn]

This thread is gold as a neutral observer

 

[Fatass]

They've only now filed a grievance? How can this process take so long? How!?

Kind of seems like a way a club can wiggle out of a contract. What if a club needed cap space and tried this to clear room? Seems like the idea a contract can be terminated by the club first is wrong. Should be a process where the contract stays in place until the union and club present their cases to an arbitrator.

 

[Breakers]

“Good faith”

LOL, that's a rich statement from his agent,
“My client was in extreme pain and can hardly walk

Johansen 2 days later at teammates wedding dancing

 

[Golden_Jet]

“Good faith”

LOL, nice statement from his agent,
“My client was in extreme pain and can hardly walk

Johansen 2 days later at teammates wedding
Caught on video

lol, seemed fine the day before in Colorado

 

[kingpest19]

So after having a back and forth last night about this with someone, was a there a reason the league didn't null the trade? Would it be up to the Flyers to say they wanted the trade undone?

 

[thedjpd]

So after having a back and forth last night about this with someone, was a there a reason the league didn't null the trade? Would it be up to the Flyers to say they wanted the trade undone?

The Flyers wanted the 1st round pick. This isn’t a situation of where they wanted the player. What they wanted was to either re-assign and ride him out, or just buy him out directly. By claiming severe injury and unable to play after the assigned him down, Johansen negated both options. The smart play would have been to report to the AHL, played 1 game, then do your injury claim.

Flyers probably let him know that they’ll buy him out instead, and he’d lose some money if that happened. So, he stopped it.

 

[kingpest19]

The Flyers wanted the 1st round pick. This isn’t a situation of where they wanted the player. What they wanted was to either re-assign and ride him out, or just buy him out directly. By claiming severe injury and unable to play after the assigned him down, Johansen negated both options. The smart play would have been to report to the AHL, played 1 game, then do your injury claim.

Flyers probably let him know that they’ll buy him out instead, and he’d lose some money if that happened. So, he stopped it.

I understand all that. I was asking because someone was claiming that Philly knew about the injury before the trade and that if it were true that they didn't, the league would have undone the trade.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Any one got a video of the dancing?

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Any one got a video of the dancing?

A video of him back checking will be more than enough evidence he's too injured to actually play hockey.

 

[ponder719]

A video of him back checking will be more than enough evidence he's too injured to actually play hockey.

I don't believe a video of him back checking exists.

I've heard rumors of a short clip of him considering the possibility somewhere on the dark web, but haven't found it yet.

 

[voyageur]

Kind of seems like a way a club can wiggle out of a contract. What if a club needed cap space and tried this to clear room? Seems like the idea a contract can be terminated by the club first is wrong. Should be a process where the contract stays in place until the union and club present their cases to an arbitrator.

The Preds would have a keen eye on this process. An extra $4 million in Cap space could open them up to making more moves.

 

[Paper]

I bet they regret taking a flyer on him.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Johansen was such garbage for this whole contract. Huge let down. Dude has some audacity even filing grievance. He should count his lucky stars he got what we got already out of this contract he didn’t earn. Then he’s out dancing at a wedding but filing grievance?! Whatta greedy chump.