TSN: Phaneuf asked to waive No-Move clause | Update: He said no.

[megalomania]

Next year Phaneuf will be bombarded with a series of boo’s raining down on him like arrows piercing his very soul. He has singlehandedly undermined the teams position going into the draft and he will never be forgiven! Shame on you Dion! Shame! Vegas doesn’t even like you! Its like he couldn’t stand the rejection of being available and not taken. Like the wallflower at senior prom in the 50’s no one wants you so he stays home to avoid rejection.

You might want to reconsider your username, not sure you're doing it justice right now

Of course it would have been nice had Phaneuf waived, but think about it, why would he. He's on a team that's just made the ECF and whose core players are young enough that it's conceivable that they might go far in the playoffs again. This might well be his last chance at a cup. Why would he risk that by waiving his NMS to be possibly picked by an expansion team that's gonna be an afterthought for the foreseeable future? Yeah the chance that they would pick him may well be very low, but why take the risk if he can have certainty?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

McGuire guessed it might be a 3rd to keep Methot and have Vegas select someone else (likely Claesson) .. Button in his interview with the team 1200 also thought Claesson would be a good selection for Vegas.

Also according to McGuire other teams are offering and making deals with picks into 2020 so it does not have to be out of this upcoming draft... If its a 3rd in 2018 or 2019 to keep Methot that certainly would not be hard to swallow.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

We don't know how much Vegas is asking in a side deal is the problem. It's hard to have an informed opinion about how realistic a side deal is without knowing that info.

We know Vegas intends to flip players after the draft, so if all of our exposed players other than Methot would be worth maybe a 3rd round pick at most each, while Methot would probably be worth a 1st+ (especially if it ends up being a sellers market due to Vegas stealing so many defenders), what do you ask for not to take Methot if you're George McPhee?

If we can get them not to touch Methot for CGY's 2nd, that'd be a no brainer. But the fact that all this is happening tells me that the cost of a side deal is probably much higher. I hope I'm wrong though and we get it done, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade Methot or Ceci to leverage against the draft.

McGuire guessed it might be a 3rd to keep Methot and have Vegas select someone else (likely Claesson) .. Button in his interview with the team 1200 also thought Claesson would be a good selection for Vegas.

Also according to McGuire other teams are offering and making deals with picks into 2020 so it does not have to be out of this upcoming draft... If its a 3rd in 2018 or 2019 to keep Methot that certainly would not be hard to swallow.

The thing I don't understand is, if it would only cost a 3rd, why even go through this hassle of asking Phaneuf to waive and instead just get it over with. Maybe Dorion has read too many posts here criticizing his asset management. I guess I'd be incredibly surprised if Vegas valued Claesson enough to be willing to pass on Methot for only a 3rd. For those that didn't hear the interview, it was McGuire speculating as to what HE thought it would cost, not what he heard it would cost as in a rumor. (I only add that since some people might read this and take it as a fact)

 

[Fandlauer]

I can't blame him. At this point in his career I'm sure the last thing he wants to do is go to the other side of the continent to join an expansion team, even if it is a small chance they pick him. He just waived it to come here, I wouldn't waive it again if I were him either.

Looks like we will have to see what we can get for Methot.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[DreamTheatre]

Kassian/Maroon + Reinhart/Khaira/Broissot + top 60 pick

something like that, I'd suspect

I would be down with something like this. I wouldn’t want to trade Maroon, but that would still be a good trade I think.

Yeah but we might be forced to trade him to not lose Methot for nothng

I want Jesse Puljujärvi, is he untouchable?

Jesse Puljujärvi for Cody Ceci + ? + ?

What else would the Oilers be looking for?

I doubt we would do Puljujarvi. But who knows. Depends on what the plus would be. I doubt you guys feel like giving up Chabot after losing Ceci, so I won’t even mention it.

 

[BonkTastic]

It's not a huge deal.

Assuming we don't trade him in the next few days (and assuming we don't have a side deal with Vegas so that they don't take him), we're almost 100% going to expose Methot. Ceci is a RD and we have basically none of those anywhere close to being ready in the system, and RDs are just about the most expensive position to fill via trade or UFA. Anyone thinking we expose Ceci isn't looking at the trends of how players are valued in the league at the moment.

If we lose Methot, it will be short term pain, but the silver linings are that it opens up almost $5mil on the cap which we can use on another blueliners of that's what we want to do. Clearing that salary means we have money to bring in a veteran to fill his shoes, plus Claesson has always looked good next to Karlsson so maybe he gets a shot there and impresses. I really like Methot a ton, so don't take this the wrong way, but let's not pretend like playing next to a 2 (possibly soon to be 3) time Norris winner hasn't maybe made him look a little better than he would next to a guy like Oduya or Matt Hunwick on a different team.

It's far from the end of the world. The people overreacting to Phaneuf not waiving are just yelling because they aren't thinking critically about the long term and the context of what our options are, or just love to feel miserable about everything and want everyone to know about it.

Losing Methot will hurt, I'm not trying to suggest otherwise. He has been one of my favourite Senators since he got here and I'll be sad when he's gone... But let's be real about it, too. The value in losing Methot is that he's a known commodity - we KNOW he plays well with Karlsson. That's the real blow here, it's not that he's a legit 1st pairing guy, he just has good chemistry with one. I'd love to keep him, but that's hockey sometimes.

 

[Tuna99]

The Toronto media is just used to beating Phaneuf up so I'm sure they are sensing blood on this, even our own reporters think this will be a blood bath - Ottawa fans seem to understand, it is what it is, it's to bad we will lose a good player, but that's life in the Big Leagues.

But I get the sense they want the fanbase in Ottawa to behave badly to justify their own terrible treatment of Phaneuf, they see him as a punching bag and treated him brutally - let's not let that happen. I don;t think we should let this sour our love of Phaneuf and what hes done for the team in the short time hes been here.

Toronto sucks, and they'll prove that in the next few days here trying to carve out Phaneufs good work in Ottawa - F... Toronto and their stupid team.

 

[pzeeman]

Offer VGK a 2-for-1.

Pick Wideman, get Dzingel. Or the other way around.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Knowledgable hostess


kinda

 

[PatrickEaves]

Certain franchises get more breaks than others.

MAF waived for Pittsburgh, even though he could have exercised his right to force Pittsburgh to buy him out so they could protect Murray. Just like they were lucky enough to suck at the right time for two separate franchise saving players.

Meanwhile, be it Heatley, Spezza or Phaneuf, Ottawa players will never do the team a solid when it's in their power to do so.

That's just how it goes.

Remind me again why signing Phillips and Neil to an extra year and continuing to play them even when they aren't effective on the ice so they can reach 1000 games to help this team's good guy reputation is a good thing? The reputation of being good to our players certainly hasn't motivated them to return the favour.

 

[Countdown0]

Eh, I can't be mad at Dion for not waiving. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to waive either.

If we lose Methot I'll be sad. At this point, I'd rather trade him than let Vegas take him for nothing in the draft. Sure, lose him either way there, but at least make something out of it. Move him out to the Western Conference and bring in a prospect who could grow to fill a need maybe? Vegas might want to just trade him anyway, since he definitely has some value. Cut out the middle man and take his profits, I say.

I dunno, Dion not waiving definitely makes this tough.

Maybe we trade Ceci instead? I know right handed D are hard to get right now, but that does kind of make it a sellers market. Granted, I'd rather we don't lose Ceci either, but its an alternative.

Opinions: Who do you guys think is worth more in a trade right now, league wide? Methot or Ceci?

 

[BonkTastic]

Opinions: Who do you guys think is worth more in a trade right now, league wide? Methot or Ceci?

Ceci.

Age + contract + right shot defenceman is the hardest hole to fill in Hockey.

 

[BondraTime]

Certain franchises get more breaks than others.

MAF waived for Pittsburgh, even though he could have exercised his right to force Pittsburgh to buy him out so they could protect Murray. Just like they were lucky enough to suck at the right time for two separate franchise saving players.

Meanwhile, be it Heatley, Spezza or Phaneuf, Ottawa players will never do the team a solid when it's in their power to do so.

That's just how it goes.

Remind me again why signing Phillips and Neil to an extra year and continuing to play them even when they aren't effective on the ice so they can reach 1000 games to help this team's good guy reputation is a good thing? The reputation of being good to our players certainly hasn't motivated them to return the favour.

If Fleury doesn't waive, he is bought out. Pittsburgh wasn't exposing Murray, not even a chance. Fleury knows this.

 

[PatrickEaves]

If Fleury doesn't waive, he is bought out. Pittsburgh wasn't exposing Murray, not even a chance. Fleury knows this.

That's what I said.

 

[BondraTime]

That's what I said.

And Phaneuf isn't getting bought out, or moved. Not even close to similar circumstances.

 

[BonkTastic]

And Phaneuf isn't getting bought out, or moved. Not even close to similar circumstances.

Phaneuf also didn't just lose his job, like Fleury did in Pittsburgh to Murray.

Situations aren't even close to being comparable.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I expect Dorion to just pony up and give Vegas Calgary's 2nd to not take Methot.

I imagine the "if Phaneuf doesn't waive, Methot/Ceci will be gone" narrative was just to pressure Phaneuf to waive.

If I'm wrong and one of them does get traded, I imagine it will be Ceci. Might not be the worst thing in the world if he gets a decent return.

 

[Sun God Nika]

I expect Dorion to just pony up and give Vegas Calgary's 2nd to not take Methot.

I imagine the "if Phaneuf doesn't waive, Methot/Ceci will be gone" narrative was just to pressure Phaneuf to waive.

If I'm wrong and one of them does get traded, I imagine it will be Ceci. Might not be the worst thing in the world if he gets a decent return.

to Vegas #2 dman with 2 years remaining at a fair caphit will be more valuable than 2nd. I'm fine with losing a first.

 

[Hale The Villain]

to Vegas #2 dman with 2 years remaining at a fair caphit will be more valuable than 2nd. I'm fine with losing a first.

Well it's not really just a 2nd.

If the choice is between Vegas taking Methot or taking another player + a 2nd as a bribe, it's really Methot vs 4M in cap space + Dzingel/Claesson + 2nd.

Value-wise, I'd rather have the young player + cap space + 2nd, but I understand why Dorion would do it. We lose Methot without replacing him and we could easily miss the playoffs in 2017/18.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Although not my first choice I am fine with losing Methot.

Claesson can replace him. Not be as good but he'll manage.

 

[Tuna99]

My guess is he still waives, Dorion will figure something out to keep all 4, or if they want to trade a Ceci like they traded Zibby because they feel his new contract won't reflect his value then they'll do that. But I'm sure all 4 of our top D are here come June 20. Lots of time to work it out.

 

[Flamingo]

My guess is he still waives, Dorion will figure something out to keep all 4, or if they want to trade a Ceci like they traded Zibby because they feel his new contract won't reflect his value then they'll do that. But I'm sure all 4 of our top D are here come June 20. Lots of time to work it out.

I think so too.

In the meantime, the TSN clips on this...Andi and Bruce...all assume a lot of resentment by management, by teammates. So much drama.

 

[Canadian Time]

Although not my first choice I am fine with losing Methot.

Claesson can replace him. Not be as good but he'll manage.

On the surface I agree with you, but we went too long without a solid top 4, I really don't want to try to manage. They could do well but the lack of depth could bite them.

 

[Canadian Time]

My guess is he still waives, Dorion will figure something out to keep all 4, or if they want to trade a Ceci like they traded Zibby because they feel his new contract won't reflect his value then they'll do that. But I'm sure all 4 of our top D are here come June 20. Lots of time to work it out.

I'm not so sure now. I figured the only way Phaneuf would waive would be if Dorion had a prearranged deal worked out. Obviously he didn't and Phaneuf declined; I don't blame him in the least.

But to make a deal with Vegas now is going backwards, he would have made the deal before asking Phaneuf to waive if he was going to make a deal.

A trade seems unlikely to me too. There are very few teams that will take Ceci/Methot and be able to protect them at the same time. The alternative is to trade Ceci/Methot for a draft pick or an exempt young player, why bother. There won't be this glut of cheap players available as predicted, teams will just expose them and take their chances.

A shame but it looks like we will lose Methot. Wait until after the ED and try to make a trade then I guess.