Come on!!!! Those are grown men if their feelings are hurt by this maybe they should find another line of work. I don't believe one words Garrioch says, it's a business and every players knows that, so i would be very shock if they would take this personally. Let's not make this into something it's not.
TSN: Phaneuf asked to waive No-Move clause | Update: He said no.
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WadeRedden
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Both MacKenzie and Dreger reported on it and it didn't seem like they were spitballing. If I had to guess, I'd say that Dorion asked Don Meehan (Dion's agent) and Meehan spilled the beans to Dreger and MacKenzie.
K, but tell that to the fans who are going to **** all over Dion for not "taking one for the team." Ottawa traded for a a guy who had 5 years left on his deal and a NTC. They had to expect there was a reasonable possibility that he'd exercise that right. Deal with it.
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The logic from the teams perspective? It would probably be that they are protecting their 2nd defenseman over the 4th defenseman. Ceci played ~3:30 more than Methot per game in the regular season (+suited up for 11 more games) and ~1:30 more per game in the playoffs. Ceci was consistently deployed in a 2/3 role with Phaneuf (generally but not exclusively filling the 2 role (so to speak)) and Methot was pretty consistently the #3/4/5. In terms of deployment, Methot is pretty firmly the #4 on our squad since Boucher has taken over.
Definitely a possibility - I just think blaming the organization for things getting out is disingenuous.
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If it was his agent who talked about it with the press I would be livid if I were Dorion. Whoever did let this get out was probably not thinking things through from a logical stand point.
If he says nothing to the press and none of the word gets out then it becomes easier to get value ion a trade for either Methot or Ceci, whichever we don't protect should Dion refuse.
As for Dion not taking one for the team? Eh, I can't say I blame him honestly. I wouldn't want to risk ending up in Vegas if I were him either.
Can't they try to renegotiate Pha9's contract? Like give him an extra $1M in the new contract in exchange for no NMC? That makes Pha9 richer, and his contract even less desirable to Vegas. Win-win.
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I totally agree. He's on a team that has things going right, can't be easy losing to the Penguins in double OT in game seven only to see them win the Cup 4-2. I bet every single player on that team is thinking that they would have beaten the Preds. I don't know that they would have, but these hockey guys seem a prideful bunch. Would anyone risk another chance of that to go to a brand new franchise?
I find myself actually appreciating Phaneuf for this. I mean, it could have been easy to waive the NMC and possibly even actually leaving for Vegas, what with the wife in Hollywood and the chance of being the leader of the team. Yet he chose making sure he stays in Ottawa as a part of this team. I'm sure he's aware that some people might consider it a dick move, but he still did it.
I think Phaneuf did his job last season now it's up to Dorion to do his.
bert
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Just because one player plays more than another does not mean said player is better or more impactful ore more important. It means that the coaching staff feels the player operates better with that much ice time. Dont kid yourself Methot is the 2nd best d man on this team.
Keep reading. Later tweet from BMac said the players have until Friday night to answer.
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Was just going to say that. That deadline was just for the team, not the players.
Personally, I'm a little peeved that Pha9 didn't accept to waive the NMC. It's obvious they asked him because they're certain he's not getting picked, and that it would have saved them tons of trouble and probably kept the team relatively intact, but it seems Dion either believes Vegas might indeed have picked him, or he is just hurt that they would ask him altogether and refuses to give up something he had fairly negotiated.
If it's the latter, I think there's a communication problem and Dorion should have been clearer about his plans.
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If Dorion was "doing his job", he would have known Dion's wishes before this all went public and Phaneuf would just have been quietly protected with no media coverage whatsoever. Not sure why this org feels the need to run to the media for everything. Now Phaneuf looks like the bad guy.
Dorion knew this was coming, he should have planned better.
Or maybe Dion thinks there's a small chance he'll be picked and the club wouldn't bat an eye at losing Dion and his contract. If I were Dion, I'd want to be allowed to handcuff myself to Pierre Dorion through the expansion draft. We don't know all the details of how he was asked, what assurances he was given.
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It sure doesn't seem like the kind of info the team made public. We can wring our hands over the optics all we want, but if I were a betting man I'd wager it was Phaneuf's camp – agent or whatever – that leaked it.
Ultimately, I think a bit much is being made of this. The Sens asked Dion if he'd consider waiving. Perfectly reasonable and logical course of action. Dion said thanks but no thanks – a perfectly reasonable and logical course of action in his shoes. While we all cheer for the crest on the front, it's important to remember that players play for the name on the back first. It doesn't mean they're not team players or not committed to helping this team win. But it's the reality of the business – you look out for yourself because nobody else will.
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I really want to know who went to the media, or how the media found out. That's the person(s) I'm mad at. This should've been handled in-house.
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Media is going to create drama where it doesn't exist, it's their job. Nobody would be reading Bob, Dreger and Garrioch's tweets if they just said 'Dorion asked, Phaneuf politely declined. End of story.'
Wrt who leaked the info, I guess the team could have done it in an attempt to shame Dion into waiving, but that seems pretty unlikely to me as I don't see it as an effective strategy. Some agents do have a reputation of defending their clients honour though, and don't have the same incentive to keep this kind of stuff quite like teams do, so I'd be inclined to think the agent let the cat out of the bag, though perhaps not directly.
Wrt who leaked the info, I guess the team could have done it in an attempt to shame Dion into waiving, but that seems pretty unlikely to me as I don't see it as an effective strategy. Some agents do have a reputation of defending their clients honour though, and don't have the same incentive to keep this kind of stuff quite like teams do, so I'd be inclined to think the agent let the cat out of the bag, though perhaps not directly.
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That would be the agent. The two parties involved are Pierre Dorion and Don Meehan. Dorion has everything to lose by letting that leak.
I'm not sure why Meehan would leak that...perhaps he didn't think it was such a big deal, or perhaps it was sour grapes for them asking. Either way, Vegas was never going to take Phaneuf. I'm pretty disappointed in Dion.
If the reason he wanted to stay was because the team is a borderline contender, then you just made the team unnecessarily weaker.
YouGotAStuGoing
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There's absolutely no guarantee of that. Vegas won't be anywhere near the cap and Phaneuf is a serviceable top-4 D, a good locker room guy and an outstanding community outreach person. There are certainly worse choices.
In that light, and combined with the fact that I'm sure he doesn't want to uproot his life for the second time in as many years, I really don't see how any of the blame can be put on him for exercising a clause in his contract that was negotiated in good faith.
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Honestly, I think he wants to stay here because he can play in the shadows and not worry about the media/fan harassment he got in Toronto. If he went to Vegas, he'd be one of the bigger names there, and be in the spotlight again.
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Or he wants to win and thinks this is a good organization to do that with.
I don't blame him, why should he have to put himself at risk?
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Pierre McGuire speculated that it would take a 3rd round pick, not necessarily in this years draft, to convince LV to not take Methot. So, if you're Phaneuf, and Dorion asks you to take on the risk of potentially getting drafted by LV, even if it's only a 5% chance, is that really worth a 3rd round pick?
The one argument I can really get behind is that Dorion probably should have gone to Dion unofficially, and gotten his take, and only made the official request if Dion was receptive to the idea. Maybe that's what he did, IDK, but it would have been a lot easier to keep this quiet if the official request was never made (assuming Dion was never inclined to waive).
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I am not sure there is any real hurt feelings here. Like someone said, the team made a logical request and Dion chose to make sure he stayed with the team, also fine.
I wouldn't hold anything against him at all. Maybe this forces PD's hand and he tries to use Ceci/Methot in a package deal.
I wouldn't hold anything against him at all. Maybe this forces PD's hand and he tries to use Ceci/Methot in a package deal.
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All this "disappointment " and bs being thrown around about him is silliness.
If he wants to be here , he doesn't waive.
If he wanted out or had thoughts of wanting out, even if he didn't say it , he waives.
So now we likely know Dion Phaneuf wants to stay in Ottawa, and at minimum he doesn't want to go to expansion team. He wants to play on a good team , and eastern conf finalist Ottawa is a good team.
The fact that alot of people want big name players (ryan/phaneuf) to just walk from Ottawa via basically an expansion/waiver claim is pretty interesting to me.
Sens management traded for a guy with a big contract and a NMC knowing this was all coming. If I was happy and held the veto card as a player I would be saying "not my problem" to these guys too.
Oh wait.. sry TL
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"I'm really disappointed in Dorion and mgmt team tbh."
If he wants to be here , he doesn't waive.
If he wanted out or had thoughts of wanting out, even if he didn't say it , he waives.
So now we likely know Dion Phaneuf wants to stay in Ottawa, and at minimum he doesn't want to go to expansion team. He wants to play on a good team , and eastern conf finalist Ottawa is a good team.
The fact that alot of people want big name players (ryan/phaneuf) to just walk from Ottawa via basically an expansion/waiver claim is pretty interesting to me.
Sens management traded for a guy with a big contract and a NMC knowing this was all coming. If I was happy and held the veto card as a player I would be saying "not my problem" to these guys too.
Oh wait.. sry TL
R"I'm really disappointed in Dorion and mgmt team tbh."
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Both Bryan Murray and John Muckler used leaks to the press to try to pressure the players in this sort of situation but I hoped those days were done with Dorion as GM
Mackenzie and Dreger are very close with the Newport Sports so that could be the
source of the leak.
I dont think the fans have turned on Phaneuf though.
Mackenzie and Dreger are very close with the Newport Sports so that could be the
source of the leak.
I dont think the fans have turned on Phaneuf though.
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