Peak Mike Richards was a top 10 NHL player, it was a small peak like Connolly.
Would love to see Krebs get there but thays lofty expectations.
Player Discussion Peyton Krebs C/LW -- Re-signed 2 years, $1.45m AAV
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Peak Mike Richards was a top 10 NHL player, it was a small peak like Connolly.
Would love to see Krebs get there but thays lofty expectations.
Gabrielor
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Zegras
Byfield
Krebs
Turcotte/Drysdale
rest
is how I ordered the field of still-prospects that there was a chance on.
Krebs definitely isn't the high end offensive potential of Zegras or Byfield, but the floor is very safe, and the ceiling is higher than any of the others.
Prime Mike Richards is the perfect comp / ceiling. 80 point selke-voted captain.
In 2019, when we picked Cozens, I wanted Krebs there. I was super high on him. I couldn't be happier that Krebs was what we got for Eichel, given the circumstance.
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WAY ahead of any of the Calgary guys, IMO.
I had Krebs 4th in this little derby: Byfield, Zegras, Turcotte and then Krebs.
Yeah, Zary is a slice below Krebs and I like both of them. Turcotte may still wind up on LW too which is funny to think but it is what it is.
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For me, in order, (and centre prospects only):
- Zegras
- Byfield
- Vilardi
- Turcotte (or pick that could be Beniers)
- Krebs (or a pick that could be Eklund or McTavish)
- (pick that could be Svechkov or Sillinger)
- Norris
- Grieg or Kupari
I had Vilardi slightly higher than Turcotte as he was already in the NHL, but otherwise they were even. The NHL thing just was a slight bump.
Norris and Grieg were unrealistic due to being on Ottawa, but move them up to Krebs and the potential spot to get Svechkov or Sillinger, respectively, for where I actually like them. And Kupari is down there because I know very little about him. I’ve never seen him play, and he spurned my local team in the CHL to stay in Finland, so that made it even harder to see play.
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I take Krebs over Turcotte 10 times out of 10. He does everything Turcotte can do but with a higher hockey IQ and a better pure playmaker which is great for the Sabres young snipers.
Zegras has a bigger offensive ceiling but his 200 foot game is not refined.
Byfield has all the tools but we will have to see if there is a toolbox for them. He seems to get hurt a lot in his young career.
Rossi had serious health issues but seems to be rebounding nicely.
Lundell is a stud at the NHL level right now.
Villardi is a little older and has had serious injuries. I don’t think his upside is as great as the other younger centres.
I would put Krebs in the mix with all those guys. His combination of skating, hockey IQ, leadership, compete and 200 foot game make him a great get.
Zegras has a bigger offensive ceiling but his 200 foot game is not refined.
Byfield has all the tools but we will have to see if there is a toolbox for them. He seems to get hurt a lot in his young career.
Rossi had serious health issues but seems to be rebounding nicely.
Lundell is a stud at the NHL level right now.
Villardi is a little older and has had serious injuries. I don’t think his upside is as great as the other younger centres.
I would put Krebs in the mix with all those guys. His combination of skating, hockey IQ, leadership, compete and 200 foot game make him a great get.
BG82
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We made the right pick with Cozens.
I have Krebs top 10 maybe top 5
Byfield, Zegras, Drysdale better imo.. Lundell has a claim. Than Krebs enters convo. I take Krebs over Turcotte
Cozens and Krebs as our 1 and 2 Centers over the next 8+ years is juicy
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I really want to see what a healthy Mitts can do. Hes our highest offensive ceiling player on our team besides maybe Quinn.
Der Jaeger
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I think Zegras, Turcotte, and Krebs are still pretty close as prospects.
Zegras has a higher scoring ceiling, mostly because his shot is better and he’s a step more explosive than the other two.
Turcotte and Krebs are similar players to me. Full ice players, more of a playmaker, leaders.
All good players. Happy to have any of them.
Zegras has a higher scoring ceiling, mostly because his shot is better and he’s a step more explosive than the other two.
Turcotte and Krebs are similar players to me. Full ice players, more of a playmaker, leaders.
All good players. Happy to have any of them.
GrierIsGod123
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I'd be interested to hear what everyone's thoughts are on Mitts' ceiling. Who is a player we can point to with a similar trajectory? Who plays a similar game that he can aspire to?
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With the prospect whisperer , PP1, and last years post RK performance I would say 70 pts top end, 50-60 avg.
Do you play Tuch with him ?
Are you happy with a Center spine of:
Mitts
Cozens
Krebs
? (I would like to see Jankowski to replace Eakin next season)
From what I have seen of Krebs in Roch, he is a center in the nhl
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Depending on our picks cozens might move to wing or not and we can roll 4 lines
GrierIsGod123
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I'd agree that Mitts likely tops out at just under a PPG (for the most part), but could have a Briere 06/07 season in him at some point. I'd say he's a similarly talented player to Briere, and can potentially be a dog on the puck like him. His point totals will depend on how good the rest of the team gets over time, as I don't think he's a player that can do it on his own (ala Eichel). He's got the talent to score 30ish goals IMO, and is a good enough playmaker to put up 30-40 assists per year, if given top PP minutes. I'd like to see him given the chance the top dog for a bit, as he's the readiest for that. See how he does with proven scorers in Tuch and either Skinner or Olofsson.
Mitts' development curve is most certainly a bit strange, so it's not easy to find comparables. He's had a few different coaches and has been put in positions to fail in the past, so really hard to judge. For shits and giggles, I took a look at Briere's stats and focused on his time in Phoenix. Mitts is actually ahead of Briere at the same point in their careers. They played similar minutes at similar ages, and Mitts' trajectory is actually looking pretty dang good in comparison. I think we could see a true breakout this year or next, especially if his play under Granato continues as it was last year. If he works out with 1st line minutes, it makes the jobs of Thompson, Cozens and Krebs that much easier. This team will need to win by committee and depth, but someone is going to rise to the top of the Center spine. He doesn't need to be Jack Eichel, just needs to win his minutes more often than not and put up points.
Lastly, I personally believe Mitts has the highest chance of being a point producer between him, Krebs and Cozens. Cozens doesn't appear to have the offensive potential to be a top-line guy, but that doesn't mean he won't be valuable. I see him more being a top-notch middle six player that is really good in tight games and playoffs. Krebs is somewhat in the same boat. It's hard to look at him and see a 1st line player but appears to be a really good complementary piece and part of a strong top 9. Hopefully, I'm not underselling either of them, just don't see the high-end skill. Maybe one of the two turns into a Bergeron-type top-line Center but would say that is a rare and unlikely outcome. The team build is going from being top-heavy, to being built around depth and solid two-way players. Maybe we end up with a 65-70 point top line center and two 40-60 point middle six Centers. What's more important top/elite talent or strong depth? It's very difficult to obtain and afford both.
GrierIsGod123
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Good point. I would imagine we'll target a Center in this year's draft considering it'll likely be top 10. Cozens at wing might end up making more sense moving forward. Either way, we'll likely have an embarrassment of riches after the next couple of drafts and just need to be patient IMO. No huge signings, just fill in the gaps with effective players like the Colorados, Bostons and Tampas of the world.
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GrierIsGod123
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True...we could of course see a RD too, just not sure I'm convinced we can take on that high again. Not sure it is necessary for the build of this team. They need to keep drafting talent at forward. I'll keep saying it, but depth is everything in this league. When you can overwhelm teams with waves of good hockey players, you become very hard to beat. It's what teams like Florida, Carolina and of course Tampa have done very well over the last several years.
Honestly depending where we pick if we miss out on savoie or wright (most likely) jiricek or however you spell it is my pick as for krebs i can see him turning into a 60-70 point player being able to match up with top lines, think his ceiling is underated high iq, good skater, high compete level and an awesome work ethic. He's not dynamic like eichel but he will have a positive effect in all three zones plus he's got a little flash to his game won't be a 2c more like a 1b maybe even a top 20 center
What makes Mitts' offensive ceiling higher than Cozens'?
Mitts
D+1 Minnesota University - 30P in 34 games (9th amongst freshman and some of his draft class were Sophomores
WJC (final year of eligibility) - 9P in 7 GP
D+2 Sabres - 25P in 77 GP (.32/ppg)
D+3 Sabres - 9P in 31 GP (.29/ppg) - Rochester 25 P in 36GP (.69/ppg)
D+4 Sabres - 22P in 41 GP (.54/ppg)
D+5 Injured
Cozens
WJC (1 more year of eligibility) - 9P in 7GP
D+1 WHL - 85P in 51GP - top 3 U19 players (one spot in front of Krebs)
WJC (final year of eligibility - 16P in 7GP
D+2 Sabres - 13P in 41GP (.32/ppg)
D+3 Sabres - 7P in 14GP (.5/ppg so far)
Krebs has been pretty close to Cozens pre injury and is probably not too far behind Mitts when the samples start catching up.
I just mean, I am not sure if Mitts has a super high offensive upside. Hopefully...
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GrierIsGod123
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That's a pretty glowing review of Krebs. Perhaps I need to brush up on him a bit more. I'd certainly take having a solid 1A and 1B center group, with a solid third option. I do hope however that one of them rises to the top and becomes a true point per game type that can break a game open.
Kreb's junior numbers are very strong on a bad team, and his NHL time is very hard to judge at this point. Your post has me more excited for his future ability.
Before his injury i wanted us to take him with our 7th to me he is a o'reilly and barzal hybrid. While in the whl his numbers he put up after he was drafted skyrocketed. Didn't get a fair shake in the nhl due to vegas depth but did well with their affiliate.
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Well, I have no problem if Adams takes RD, if it's a BPA. I'm just talking about the fact that it is not necessary to take the center, it can be a winger.
GrierIsGod123
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Yes, that actually might be the bigger hole on the future roster. It still feels like Olofsson is someone they should sign to a longterm deal, especially for how much development time was put into him, and his unique skillset.
My theory is always draft the guys that can play Center though, as it's much easier to transition to the wing than it is to go the other way.
