Confirmed with Link: Pettersson Signs 8 Year Deal with the Vancouver Canucks, AAV $11.6M

[CanucksSayEh]

People have been insisting he's had some hidden injury since mid October. GAME 3 of the season.

Even last year, it was his 'wrist' or even his brand of stick ffs.

The guy is just a bad skater, awkward, slow, always looks like his knees are about to implode. Only in his rookie season, and last year, did it look like he actually trained in the offseason.

Regarding his shooting, and PP, hes ALWAYS been gun shy. Outside of his first 2 months in the league, he passes up grade A chances, and is turnover prone.

 

[racerjoe]

Or maybe I just don't drink up the team koolaid as much as some people do. Injuries are the worst excuse in the book. He was straight up bad and it had nothing to do with him labouring out there. He was bad because of what was happening between his ears. He was a liability out there more often than not. But sure, it's all because of injuries. He was a warrior out there. lol

So you want to ignore his previous NHL playoffs, and his SHL MVP performance, and ignore the context for this performance...

 

[MikeK]

He was bad pre playoffs, since after all star game. I would be more worried if he was all world before playoffs and then play drop off right after playoff started.

That's definitely a valid point.

I just think using the injury excuse for his playoff results is piss poor. We all watched the same games. He was not labouring out there. His poor performance was a result of bad decisions, not injuries.

So you want to ignore his previous NHL playoffs, and his SHL MVP performance, and ignore the context for this performance...

What other NHL playoffs are you referring to?

 

[arttk]

That's definitely a valid point.

I just think using the injury excuse for his playoff results is piss poor. We all watched the same games. He was not labouring out there. His poor performance was a result of bad decisions, not injuries.



What other NHL playoffs are you referring to?

He was definitely laboring out there, it was noticeable.

 

[MikeK]

He was definitely laboring out there, it was noticeable.

Between the ears maybe.

 

[racerjoe]

That's definitely a valid point.

I just think using the injury excuse for his playoff results is piss poor. We all watched the same games. He was not labouring out there. His poor performance was a result of bad decisions, not injuries.



What other NHL playoffs are you referring to?

The bubble playoffs... where he was excellent.

Also you don't think he was laboring? Even the people who didn't think he was hurt were commenting on it.

 

[arttk]

Between the ears maybe.

I mean you can see he was slower, his shot was not the same as before and his ability to stay on his skates was not the same as in the 1st half

 

[MikeK]

Relax you 2. I get it. He was seriously injured. So much so that it was that obvious. He was also a beast during the bubble playoffs. He's a playoff warrior. He's a hero.

 

[arttk]

Relax you 2. I get it. He was seriously injured. So much so that it was that obvious. He was also a beast during the bubble playoffs. He's a playoff warrior. He's a hero.

Obviously

 

[Zarpan]

People have been insisting he's had some hidden injury since mid October. GAME 3 of the season.

Even last year, it was his 'wrist' or even his brand of stick ffs.

The guy is just a bad skater, awkward, slow, always looks like his knees are about to implode. Only in his rookie season, and last year, did it look like he actually trained in the offseason.

Regarding his shooting, and PP, hes ALWAYS been gun shy. Outside of his first 2 months in the league, he passes up grade A chances, and is turnover prone.

From game 3 of the season to the end of January, he scored 26 goals (including 17 ES goals) over 45 games.

That's a 47 goal pace (including 31 ES goals) over an 82 game season, which would be top 10 in the NHL for both metrics.

Seems like pretty good results for a gun shy, bad skater.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

From game 3 of the season to the end of January, he scored 26 goals (including 17 ES goals) over 45 games.

That's a 47 goal pace (including 31 ES goals) over an 82 game season, which would be top 10 in the NHL for both metrics.

Seems like pretty good results for a gun shy, bad skater.

No one is taking issue with his overall production. The whole team was red hot to start the year, but EP 100% looked shaky before Christmas, and this board was largely blaming non existent injuries. It's the whole reason the Lotto line was put together in January. This is just who he is, and it's incredibly naive to try and give a carte blanche excuse to something that caused zero missed games.

This goes wayyyy beyond this season. The concerns were proven valid. Even at his absolute best, he makes terrible decisions on the PP, which is so damn important for the big $ players to contribute to.

Encapsulating partial seasons with his best months is very misleading, that shit got played out years ago. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

No one is taking issue with his overall production.

Agreed. He’s likely going to put up 40 goals & 100 points in the regular season with his skillset (and playing on PP1), not a concern and no one really cares, playoff performance is what truly matters. Matthews put up 69 goals but he’s taking a ton of heat for not producing when it mattered. McDavid would’ve been ridiculed if the Oilers lost to the Canucks, even though he played very good hockey in the playoffs, his 100 assist season would’ve been meaningless without a strong playoff performance. It’s not about the goals or points EP puts up in the regular season, I’d gladly take 50% point reduction in the regular season for a 25% impact increase in the playoffs. The fact is he was a liability for the Canucks in these playoffs which is really concerning for a 11 million dollar franchise player the Canucks are committed to long term. Hoping for a strong offseason of training, and big improvement in his overall game next season.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

The playoffs are about abilities. You don't get to take your regular season points with you. This is most important with the big contract players.

EP has big problems skating through any kind of contact, and is a non factor, to downright liability occupying the one time position on the PP. It's a dead trigger.

This has been the case for 4 years, but the expectations have risen over that time, while his play in these regards hasn't.

When the game is on the line, not even EP want's the puck on his stick. Soft soft soft. The rest of the team notices, have for years.

 

[racerjoe]

Taking out this season, in Playoff hockey, he has scored 38 pts in 30 games... but yes lets harp on this season when he was clearly hurt and it came out that he was hurt....

 

[MikeK]

Taking out this season, in Playoff hockey, he has scored 38 pts in 30 games... but yes lets harp on this season when he was clearly hurt and it came out that he was hurt....

I see the problem. You actually believe that bubble playoff year mattered. Makes perfect sense now. Sure, I guess if we use that bubble year and add it to his piss poor playoff this season he then looks like a playoff warrior. Some people don't consider that playoff bubble to be any type of comparison though so I can see how there is major difference in opinion here.

I consider this year to be his first real taste of NHL playoffs. He didn't do very well. I also feel like some people are way overplaying the injury card here. His biggest issues were between his ears. I don't care what the team says or what others want to believe. He was not playing through a debilitating injury.

 

[racerjoe]

I see the problem. You actually believe that bubble playoff year mattered. Makes perfect sense now. Sure, I guess if we use that bubble year and add it to his piss poor playoff this season he then looks like a playoff warrior. Some people don't consider that playoff bubble to be any type of comparison though so I can see how there is major difference in opinion here.

I consider this year to be his first real taste of NHL playoffs. He didn't do very well. I also feel like some people are way overplaying the injury card here. His biggest issues were between his ears. I don't care what the team says or what others want to believe. He was not playing through a debilitating injury.

I could maybe say we should wait and see... but then he also had the season he lead his team to the SHL championship too. You can't just hand wave things away...

Also as much as us fans may not like the bubble hockey, they still happened. It was still playoff hockey. Sure you can say the crowd added more... but then I go back to his previous SHL MVP championship performance...

YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN A 13 GAME SAMPLE SIZE WHERE THE PLAYER WAS HURT.... Oh sorry

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Taking out this season, in Playoff hockey, he has scored 38 pts in 30 games... but yes lets harp on this season when he was clearly hurt and it came out that he was hurt....

Bubble playoffs, intensity was less than a late regular season game in a sold out arena. These playoffs are a whole different animal.

 

[racerjoe]

Bubble playoffs, intensity was less than a late regular season game in a full arena. These playoffs are a whole different animal.

OK... and his SHL Playoff MVP performance how would you try and hand wave that one away...

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

OK... and his SHL Playoff MVP performance how would you try and hand wave that one away...

Exactly, the talent is there, that’s why questions are being asked about a player that’s capable of much more, questions like.. was his success at the SHL level due to more room on larger ice and less contact? Is he able to handle the physicality of the NHL playoffs? Why was he liability out there for the Canucks? What needs to change for him to become more effective? What does he need to work on in the offseason? Can he turn it around and become a complete player?

 

[racerjoe]

Exactly, the talent is there, that’s why questions are being asked about a player that’s capable of much more, questions like.. was his success at the SHL level due to more room on larger ice and less contact? Is he able to handle the physicality of the NHL playoffs? Why was he liability out there for the Canucks? What needs to change for him to become more effective? What does he need to work on in the offseason? Can he turn it around and become a complete player?

Its horses not zebra's... he was injured... everyone who has a similar injury has been like it can be pretty devastating Ray Ferraro walked about not being able to walk up stairs... but hey lets complicate things...

 

[Bankerguy]

injured knee, tear in his quad, always fallin down on the ice.
Get this guy some time to rest.
Once healed, get him in the gym doing squats, core strength exercises and balance exercises.
Do that for a month then on the ice to get his speed back. Maybe a hard off-season like this would bring him back with stronger, healed legs, with more balance.

 

[I am toxic]

Tense matters.

Petterson had an excuse this playoffs with his injury. Had. Past tense.

But now that he has signed for $90m+, there is no more need to pad stats in the regular season to chase that big contract. That's done. Fini. Past tense.

Now, he needs to help the team make the playoffs, and be effective in the playoffs, doing everything it takes to make that happen. Meaning playing fewer games, taking time off to heal from injuries in the regular season. Future tense.

No more excuses. Present tense.

Well, other than the Canucks institutional attitude towards injuries, and the Canucks medical staff:

 

[Bleach Clean]

Pettersson has lost a lot of cache in this market with his poor play and the contract BS. He tried to play with management, they called his bluff, he signed a massive deal and then crumbled. Or, was on his way to crumbling due in part to the injury.

That's what happened. What is going to happen, I think, is that Tocchet will re-think his roster at the top. This will give Pettersson better wing support. Coupled with further winger support via trade/signings, and I believe it sets the stage for a huge bounce back year for Pettersson next year.

He will crack 100 points in 2024-25. Book it.

 

[Hit the post]

Pettersson has lost a lot of cache in this market with his poor play and the contract BS. He tried to play with management, they called his bluff, he signed a massive deal and then crumbled. Or, was on his way to crumbling due in part to the injury.

That's what happened. What is going to happen, I think, is that Tocchet will re-think his roster at the top. This will give Pettersson better wing support. Coupled with further winger support via trade/signings, and I believe it sets the stage for a huge bounce back year for Pettersson next year.

He will crack 100 points in 2024-25. Book it.

He got 89 points this season on one leg. It's like saying "Torts will get fired one day".

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I see the problem. You actually believe that bubble playoff year mattered. Makes perfect sense now. Sure, I guess if we use that bubble year and add it to his piss poor playoff this season he then looks like a playoff warrior. Some people don't consider that playoff bubble to be any type of comparison though so I can see how there is major difference in opinion here.

I consider this year to be his first real taste of NHL playoffs. He didn't do very well. I also feel like some people are way overplaying the injury card here. His biggest issues were between his ears. I don't care what the team says or what others want to believe. He was not playing through a debilitating injury.

SHL playoffs as a teenager against men?


Just to make the point more clear: