Confirmed with Link: Pettersson Signs 8 Year Deal with the Vancouver Canucks, AAV $11.6M

[PuckMunchkin]

given that everyone is using this thread to air speculative theories and shaky chains of logic I’ve decided i must contribute in my own small way.

I woke up this morning with the revelation that the reason Pettersson did that weird hop when he “charged” Foegele(?) was because he was subconsciously trying to protect knee from getting twisted when he was hit. Therefore I have deduced that his tendinitis was indeed serious enough to influence his play and likely diminish his effectiveness. CHECKMATE




And Serevalli can $*%£ ¥# +~&@.

In know you kid. But


There is no need to speculate about the injury.

Its obvious to everyone, who isnt just trying to avoid admitting being wrong, that the knee is what f***ed his season over.

 

[I am toxic]

In my experience with clients tendonitis goes away with proper surrounding strength.

"An increase of the force generating capacity of a muscle needs to go in line with a corresponding modulation of the mechanical properties of the associated tendon to avoid potential harm to the integrity of the tendinous tissue"

Everytime I've had a tendon problem I hyperfocus in that area and it heals quickly.

So please.... tell me how it works if I'm wrong? I'd like to learn more

Tendinitis can be worsened simply by the position of the joints - regardless of surrounding strength.

Let me give you an example. Competitive swimmers will often develop tendinitis in the shoulder from repetitive use training. They used to give them kickboards that they would grab at the top so they could continue training doing kick sets.

It was a disaster. The arm position aggravated the tendinitis, and delayed the return to proper training and competition. We finally learned to have them train without kickboards, rather having their arms dangling at sides, which is a pain in the ass.

I am ashamed to admit that of all the improvements we brought to injury prevention vis a vis competitive swimming, this one took the longest, and resulted in the most training days/competitions missed before we figured out where the medical advice we were getting was wrong. Sadly, the newer generation of swim coaches failed to grasp these lessons.

Live and learn.

 

[I am toxic]

Modern goalie technique is harder on the body I assume. @mossey3535 would know.

Yeah.

What people don't realize is that - regardless of shots/shot attempts - goalies are using post integration while the puck is in the zone.

And the post integration is incredibly hard on the hips/knees/spine of the goalie. It is bad news. The goalies are contorting themselves to simultaneously 1)seal the post 2) present a large upper net blocking presence (not square to the puck because) 3) poised to push off to deal with potential back door chance. Then dropping into it and getting out of it repeatedly - watch how slowly/late they get back up, when the puck comes out from behind/beside the net back out to the boards above the hashmarks - they are waiting to see if it will quickly come back down and they can simply re-contort themselves.

I would never play a goalie more than once every three days. Max.

And that means very carefully managed practice in the mean time, one thing the Canucks at least explored this season with Demko, sadly they relied upon it in their decisions to overplay him.

 

[oba]

Yep. I'm not really confident with how the current brass manages injuries. The recent track record doesn't seem great.

Bolded is one of my hockey hobby horses I try to bring up in every injury-related thread. Teams absolutely should be load managing their players. Guys should be rotated in and out, regardless of "injury" status. If you're a contender, the key is being healthy for the playoffs.

Demko should be not be playing any more than 50 games next year. Has to be a hard stop. He was pacing for 60+ again this season, and look what happened. Silovs should be in a game per week,

Totally appropriate. The NHL is a monster schedule. Unbelievable marathon, actually. By far the worst in all pro sports.

82 games, and potentially 28 more on top of that, with total intensity. Absurd .

It's a money grab. But so is everything with certain NY lawyers.

 

[oba]

Think our franchise has been blessed with solid goaltending for multiple decades now to the point the starter gets a ton of starts. Issue is, not everyone is like Luongo in terms of being able to play 60+ starts a season. He was a freak of nature.

Even Lou lost it in the final round. vs. Bruins. In that 2011 final. Mentally. Just way too much.

Would have been so interesting to put Schneider in for all the Boston games. After all it would have been like home games for him. Friends, family etc.

As it was, they stubbornly stuck with the overworked No 1. Ran out of gas. Regrettably.

And they actually shared the Jennings. Schneider was top flight, a super talent. He would have stolen at least one of those road games on pure talent. And that's the Cup right there.

Players are gracious, they'll never admit that they were tired. But Lou was bagged, not just physically but mentally.

Something must be learned. Demmer just reminded everyone.

Petey's too gracious to admit he was suffering quite a bit.

The kid is an incredible talent. You want him playing comfortable - only.

Unless it's playoffs. Only then, you play through pain. But not before.

I think it was Baertschi. He probably lost his job because he wanted time off for an upper body. I guess the team felt he was soft.

But heck it's not playoffs. Just exhibition 82. Who cares if a player heals up for awhile. Makes sense.

Except to the revenue model.

 

[oba]

Still pissed that the team didn't use an immense talent like Schneider during the 2011 run.

Wow. Yeah. That was a cup right there.

 

[mossey3535]

Yeah.

What people don't realize is that - regardless of shots/shot attempts - goalies are using post integration while the puck is in the zone.

And the post integration is incredibly hard on the hips/knees/spine of the goalie. It is bad news. The goalies are contorting themselves to simultaneously 1)seal the post 2) present a large upper net blocking presence (not square to the puck because) 3) poised to push off to deal with potential back door chance. Then dropping into it and getting out of it repeatedly - watch how slowly/late they get back up, when the puck comes out from behind/beside the net back out to the boards above the hashmarks - they are waiting to see if it will quickly come back down and they can simply re-contort themselves.

I would never play a goalie more than once every three days. Max.

And that means very carefully managed practice in the mean time, one thing the Canucks at least explored this season with Demko, sadly they relied upon it in their decisions to overplay him.

Yeah at least one pro goalie coach describes each RVH drop as "another one out of the bank account", basically saying you have only a finite number of those moves available to you in your career.

Equipment has basically taken knee injuries out of the game for goalies, now it's hips. However, I don't think RVH alone accounts for guys not being able to play 60+ anymore. I do think it adds significantly to man hours lost to injury but if you're injured you also don't make it to 60 games.

60+ games looking back was due to a few generations of guys with incredible physical and mental stamina. You have to remember that even Patrick Roy came into a league that predominantly used a platoon system. Now it seems like we're slowly shifting back to that. So talent is one part of this. There are still guys like Hellebuyck that can play that much but he also shits the bed every playoffs so maybe even he is not a good example.

However, the main part is the game is so much faster and the shooters are shooting the hardest they ever have and with great precision. You need to be mentally on top of your game to do well, and that's incredibly hard to do with the added physical workload of 60+ games. That's why it's sad that we basically wasted 2-3 seasons of Marky playing 60 games at an insanely high and consistent mental focus/tracking. But even he at the end was stumbling to the finish, there's not way he would have had the gas left in the playoffs, which he basically showed in Calgary where he and Oettinger had a great duel in the first round and he was terrible in the second round.

 

[Hit the post]

Even Lou lost it in the final round. vs. Bruins. In that 2011 final.
Mentally. Just way too much.

Would have been so interesting to put Schneider in for all the Boston games. After all it would have been like home games for him. Friends, family etc.
As it was they stubbornly stuck with the overworked No 1. Ran out of gas. Regrettably.

And they actually shared the Jennings. Schneider was top flight, a super talent. He would have stolen at least one of those road games on pure talent. And that's the Cup right there.

Players are gracious, they'll never admit that they were tired. But Lou was bagged, not just physically but mentally.
Something must be learned. Demmer just reminded everyone.


Petey's too gracious to admit he was suffering quite a bit.

The kid is an incredible talent. You want him playing comfortable, only. Unless it's playoffs. Only then , you play through pain. But not before.

I think it was Baertschi. He probably lost his job because he wanted time off for an upper body. I guess the team felt he was soft. But heck it's not playoffs. Just exhibition 82. Who cares if a player heals up for awhile. Makes sense.

Except to the revenue model.

Luongo was *STILL* subjected to 60+ games when he was 36 years old with the Panthers. Had a *VERY* respectible 0.922 save percentage that year. He took it "easy" in his last season as a Panther (43 games).

 

[Grub]

Honestly, I would have waited after the playoffs to resign him. I'm not sold that Pettersson can get us there. Last year numbers may have been his peak. Going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he does next playoffs.

 

[arttk]

Honestly, I would have waited after the playoffs to resign him. I'm not sold that Pettersson can get us there. Last year numbers may have been his peak. Going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he does next playoffs.

he probably has the least help out of any player that got 100pt.
You don’t hit those numbers with 40pt wingers

 

[wonton15]

he probably has the least help out of any player that got 100pt.
You don’t hit those numbers with 40pt wingers

I think he’s way too talented not to rebound, and yes - he’s easily a consistent 100 point player if he has a consistent partner in crime like a Guentzel instead of Hoglander/Mikheyev.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

he probably has the least help out of any player that got 100pt.
You don’t hit those numbers with 40pt wingers

You can do it if you don't suck ass on the PP.

 

[JimmyJiveJones]

Honestly, I would have waited after the playoffs to resign him. I'm not sold that Pettersson can get us there. Last year numbers may have been his peak. Going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he does next playoffs.

I always thought we shoulda waited till after playoffs to extend Petey but looking on the other side, we basically anchored him down with 3rd/4th liners and he was still able to produce. Now for this upcoming season, its to everyones benefit for him to play with top 6 talent and for him to produce like mad.

 

[arttk]

You can do it if you don't suck ass on the PP.

PP sucking is a team effort.
We don’t have a bumper play and the other team’s ok figured out that if we cut off the cross seam from Miller to Petey and the Miller down hill shot then we have nothing because they don’t need to worry about Quinn bombing down the middle.

 

[arttk]

I think he’s way too talented not to rebound, and yes - he’s easily a consistent 100 point player if he has a consistent partner in crime like a Guentzel instead of Hoglander/Mikheyev.

we all watched Mik sucked hard for like half a season. I don’t know why anyone is surprised that Petey’s assist number dropped in the 2nd half…

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Yeah.

What people don't realize is that - regardless of shots/shot attempts - goalies are using post integration while the puck is in the zone.

And the post integration is incredibly hard on the hips/knees/spine of the goalie. It is bad news. The goalies are contorting themselves to simultaneously 1)seal the post 2) present a large upper net blocking presence (not square to the puck because) 3) poised to push off to deal with potential back door chance. Then dropping into it and getting out of it repeatedly - watch how slowly/late they get back up, when the puck comes out from behind/beside the net back out to the boards above the hashmarks - they are waiting to see if it will quickly come back down and they can simply re-contort themselves.

I would never play a goalie more than once every three days. Max.

And that means very carefully managed practice in the mean time, one thing the Canucks at least explored this season with Demko, sadly they relied upon it in their decisions to overplay him.

I bet you there are NHL teams who are not keeping track of how much post integration and butterfly 'instances' take place for each of their goalies in practice.

 

[rypper]

Pettersson will score 100 points next season.

 

[Hit the post]

Pettersson will score 100 points next season.

Seeing as he's done that already (and none of that "on pace" bullshit, he's hit that point barrier in one regular season), I don't think that's a stretch to think he can't do that again (and then some).

 

[MikeK]

Yep. Regular season Pettersson doesn't worry me. He will get the points. It's playoff Pettersson that does. He was bad. I know some people like to talk about the good they saw but I don't think there was any good at all. At no time did I see him as a threat. I actually would have rather he'd been a ghost but he wasn't even that. He continually gave the puck away and rarely won battles. He was a liability in the playoffs. That is what worries me the most about him. Luckily, he's young and has time to mature.

 

[Idiot Stick]

Being strong wont make it go away.

It is a strain injury. It needs rest to heal.


Strengthening the surrounding musculature will help preventing the tendinitis.

Butting in to agree w/ this

Dealt with patellar tendonitis for years from football and everytime i rucked/ran/squated etc it hurt and it would linger bad for a week. Stuff is no joke on how that pain limits you, especially on acceleration. Working on some weak points of my legs helped almost nearly solve it and if it flares up its only for a few minutes.

Cant imagine playing professional sports with that, took me years to get rid of it

 

[oba]

Maybe it's me but Petey, for all his skills, still seems too "gangly" on his skates. Not anchored enough.

Compare his physical build to someone like Gretzky, who probably had a similar light build.

Gretz was so much anchored that sometimes he looked like he was skating with pontoons. But super effective, obviously.

With Gretz it was all on-ice vision. Being two steps ahead of the play.

Petey has a lot of that. But I think building up his leg muscle mass and overall doing power skating to strengthen his straight ahead movement would benefit greatly in the off season. He could look more anchored on the ice, and thus increase his effectiveness substantially.

The money doesn't drive him. He wants to be a champ. I'm sure. That's the first thing. Wishing him a productive summer, wherever he's training and rehabbing.

 

[oba]

Yep. I'm not really confident with how the current brass manages injuries. The recent track record doesn't seem great.

Bolded is one of my hockey hobby horses I try to bring up in every injury-related thread. Teams absolutely should be load managing their players. Guys should be rotated in and out, regardless of "injury" status. If you're a contender, the key is being healthy for the playoffs.

Demko should be not be playing any more than 50 games next year. Has to be a hard stop. He was pacing for 60+ again this season, and look what happened. Silovs should be in a game per week,

"If you're a contender, the key is being healthy for the playoffs".

exactly. Manage the players load carefully to have them at peak readiness. When the real stuff starts.

 

[racerjoe]

Yep. Regular season Pettersson doesn't worry me. He will get the points. It's playoff Pettersson that does. He was bad. I know some people like to talk about the good they saw but I don't think there was any good at all. At no time did I see him as a threat. I actually would have rather he'd been a ghost but he wasn't even that. He continually gave the puck away and rarely won battles. He was a liability in the playoffs. That is what worries me the most about him. Luckily, he's young and has time to mature.

Maybe you didn't hear but he was injured...

He has been a playoff MVP on a championship team and in the NHL put up over a ppg in the playoffs.

 

[MikeK]

Maybe you didn't hear but he was injured...

He has been a playoff MVP on a championship team and in the NHL put up over a ppg in the playoffs.

Or maybe I just don't drink up the team koolaid as much as some people do. Injuries are the worst excuse in the book. He was straight up bad and it had nothing to do with him labouring out there. He was bad because of what was happening between his ears. He was a liability out there more often than not. But sure, it's all because of injuries. He was a warrior out there. lol

 

[arttk]

Or maybe I just don't drink up the team koolaid as much as some people do. Injuries are the worst excuse in the book. He was straight up bad and it had nothing to do with him labouring out there. He was bad because of what was happening between his ears. He was a liability out there more often than not. But sure, it's all because of injuries. He was a warrior out there. lol

He was bad pre playoffs, since after all star game. I would be more worried if he was all world before playoffs and then play drop off right after playoff started.