Friedman: Pettersson says he’ll only re-sign if Canucks have successful season

[strattonius]

Boldy is 22 years old 6’2 30 goal scorer who is scoring at 0.80PPG in his second season in the league while having above average posession numbers.

Rossi is 21 year old PPG player in the AHL and a former top 10 pick from just couple years ago.

What exactly are you expecting unwilling to re-sign Pettersson to get if you think this isn’t a good a haul?

Didn’t realize he would be a RFA, but the point still stand if he isn’t willing to re-sign.

Rossi's credentials aren't impressive. He's unlikely to translate in to a top 6 C in the NHL and doesn't have the frame or skillset to get PK and defensive minutes in the NHL. I would stay away from him and I don't think he has as much value as you're thinking here.

Of course Boldy is great.

I feel it's moot anyways. Pettersson will sign next year.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

easily? Vancouver would be fortunate if the base of an EP deal is a player the age, contract status and caliber of Matt Boldy. Don’t hold your breath.

Boldy + a prospect the athletic recently ranked as 30th best prospect in the nhl, well before anyone in Vancouvers system, is not an offer that will be easily beat.

Vancouver only has two prospects mentioned by the Athletic (honorable mention).
Your last two first rounders (2022 & 2023).

podkolzin and Hoglander didn’t even make honorable mention.

the Athletic considers Rossi a better prospect than Tom Willander, RHD, whom felt quite reachy so high in the great 2023 draft. The Avs got a very similar caliber prospect at the end of round 1 in Mikhail Gulyayev.

so you can bag on Rossi. He hasn’t developed as fast or much as expected… yet Rossi is still held in higher regard by many than your top prospect.

Boldy + Faber (RHD) + a 2nd rounder for EP

That's a little closer. I still think a lot of teams would beat that. Including the Wild. If of course Pettersson would agree to an extension.

Regardless, I don't believe he's going to go on the block. He'd more likely sign 3-4 more years.

 

[OKR]

Rossi's credentials aren't impressive. He's unlikely to translate in to a top 6 C in the NHL and doesn't have the frame or skillset to get PK and defensive minutes in the NHL. I would stay away from him and I don't think he has as much value as you're thinking here.

Of course Boldy is great.

I feel it's moot anyways. Pettersson will sign next year.

He has played only 21 games in the NHL in a 4th line role and is still only 21 years old, and you’re saying he is unlikely to translate in to a NHL player? I guess Canucks ain’t got one prospect who is making the NHL in their career.

-0.90ppg in the AHL & World Championships
-Kills penalties for Iowa
-top 10 pick
-praised for his work in all 3-zones throughout juniors

These all bring value.

 

[McJedi]

That's a little closer. I still think a lot of teams would beat that. Including the Wild. If of course Pettersson would agree to an extension.

Regardless, I don't believe he's going to go on the block. He'd more likely sign 3-4 more years.

If Vancouver has a difficult season as many suspect they will, best case is he’ll sign thru his final day of RFA (2025-26) so he can walk into UFA at his first possible moment. He’s saying he wants out unless the team is a contender and it’s no where near that today.

EP would give them no more than his last day of RFA so assume he either plays two years off arbitration or he signs a two year extension next summer.

Which would greatly diminish his trade value so it wouldn’t make sense for Vancouver to keep him up until the point he’s no longer valued highly since he’ll have full control of his UFA status at age 26 in the summer of 2026.

 

[Peter Griffin]

He’s saying he wants out unless the team is a contender and it’s no where near that today.

Contender in the sense of a top 5 team in the league or contender in the sense of being a playoff team that is contending for the postseason? There’s also a lot of ambiguity around what EP’s actual intentions are, ask for a trade or sign a shorter contract ala Matthews rather than an 8 year term? Only time will tell.

 

[HairyKneel]

Contender in the sense of a top 5 team in the league or contender in the sense of being a playoff team that is contending for the postseason? There’s also a lot of ambiguity around what EP’s actual intentions are, ask for a trade or sign a shorter contract ala Matthews rather than an 8 year term? Only time will tell.

He knows the Canucks better than anyone who actually resides in the city.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

If Vancouver has a difficult season as many suspect they will, best case is he’ll sign thru his final day of RFA (2025-26) so he can walk into UFA at his first possible moment. He’s saying he wants out unless the team is a contender and it’s no where near that today.

EP would give them no more than his last day of RFA so assume he either plays two years off arbitration or he signs a two year extension next summer.

Which would greatly diminish his trade value so it wouldn’t make sense for Vancouver to keep him up until the point he’s no longer valued highly since he’ll have full control of his UFA status at age 26 in the summer of 2026.

Vancouver looks much stronger this year. Plus, He never said that. Friedman thinks that. It's much more likely he would sign short term than force his way to UFA. I believe that's wishful thinking on your part but have at er.

 

[McJedi]

Contender in the sense of a top 5 team in the league or contender in the sense of being a playoff team that is contending for the postseason? There’s also a lot of ambiguity around what EP’s actual intentions are, ask for a trade or sign a shorter contract ala Matthews rather than an 8 year term? Only time will tell.

I suspect the latter would suffice but Vancouver doesn’t even appear to be much of a playoff threat. If they are clawing just to get an 8th seed, that’s an also ran.

Your lack of a farm system or tradable roster players also means there is no significant help on the way. Well… other than very questionable deals like the one your current GM made for Hronek.

There is a big lack of depth on this team. What happens if one of Hughes, EP or Miller is injured and unavailable from November until March? The recipe for a good season is much more difficult to master than the conditions for another playoff less outcome.

 

[McJedi]

Vancouver looks much stronger this year. Plus, He never said that. Friedman thinks that. It's much more likely he would sign short term than force his way to UFA. I believe that's wishful thinking on your part but have at er.

We’re saying the same thing.

I think he could sign a 2 year deal next summer. He probably would be excited to entertain that. I think he’ll target the summer of 2026 as his goal in contract negotiations if he’s realized he’s stuck until then. Max out his AAV in that situation. Then hit UFA at the ideal time to focus on both finding a contender and maxing his AAV. It’s a good thesis for the player.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I suspect the latter would suffice but Vancouver doesn’t even appear to be much of a playoff threat. If they are clawing just to get an 8th seed, that’s an also ran.

That’s improvement though and may be what EP is after.

Your lack of a farm system or tradable roster players also means there is no significant help on the way. Well… other than very questionable deals like the one your current GM made for Hronek.

Very questionable? I don’t know about that. If they deal was made at the draft I don’t think most people would’ve questioned it at all really.

There is a big lack of depth on this team. What happens if one of Hughes, EP or Miller is injured and unavailable from November until March? The recipe for a good season is much more difficult to master than the conditions for another playoff less outcome.

This can be said for the majority of teams.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Funny how you listed the Habs first lol. I would never want the Habs to trade for Pettersson; it would cost way too much and would f*** up the rebuild. Habs should stay the course.

EP is probably a top 10 player in the world and hes Suzuki's age IF hes available you 100% try everything to land him we havent had a player like him in over 2 decades...

 

[McJedi]

That’s improvement though and may be what EP is after.


Very questionable? I don’t know about that. If they deal was made at the draft I don’t think most people would’ve questioned it at all really.


This can be said for the majority of teams.

Axel Sandin Pellikka + 43rd pick in the 2023 draft for an injured Hronek + (a 4th rounder-pick 105) with one year left on his deal and one year of arbitration before UFA…. That’s very questionable as a trade and why many have called that trade lopsided in Detroits favor.

Vancouver is the rare consistently non playoff team (one playoff appearance in the last 8 years) that somehow still has a very sparse and weak farm system. This is not a club that should have depth issues or nothing coming up thru the pipeline than can help EP win this year. It’s unusual. It’s definitely not promising for his prospects to see a strong future unless you can build thru UFA and risky trades.

Lekkerimaki did nothing to enhance his value post draft year and still still years away. Williander is years away from making the club. And those are your two best prospects? Your 2021 1st (Dylan Guenther) plays for Arizona. Traded away 2020 1st. Used 2019 picks on quasi NHL players Podkolzin and Hoglander.

2017 and 2018 were great drafts in adding EP and Hughes but before that it was your Juolevi and Virtanen years. These are the years you’d build a core around EP and your best pick was a guy Vancouver would desperately love to dump, Boeser. A few traded picks and some underwhelming assets. Mixed in with some bad trades like OEL and bad signings like Myers.

Kuzmenko was a really nice bit of work but he won’t shot anything close to 27% again. So expect his production to drop a lot.

 

[Garbageyuk]

EP is probably a top 10 player in the world and hes Suzuki's age IF hes available you 100% try everything to land him we havent had a player like him in over 2 decades...

Not for what it would cost. They would probably want:

Suzuki or Caufield
Reinbacher or Slafkovsky
Another prospect or young roster player
An unprotected 1st

No thanks. That is just too much for me.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Not for what it would cost. They would probably want:

Suzuki or Caufield
Reinbacher or Slafkovsky
Another prospect or young roster player
An unprotected 1st

No thanks. That is just too much for me.

If that’s all it costs for a franchise 1 C you do it and quickly . He’s by far ( and I mean far ) the best asset listed . If it’s for only 1 year ( and walks to UFA ) then I agree it’s too steep .

 

[Peter Griffin]

Axel Sandin Pellikka + 43rd pick in the 2023 draft for an injured Hronek + (a 4th rounder-pick 105) with one year left on his deal and one year of arbitration before UFA…. That’s very questionable as a trade and why many have called that trade lopsided in Detroits favor.

I think at the time of the trade Detroit was hoping both the Isles’ pick as well as Vancouver’s were going to be higher. ASP is a small, offensive defender that really wouldn’t add much to a team that already has Quinn Hughes. If they had kept the pick I would’ve hoped they had taken Oliver Moore, but he too isn’t a sure bet at the NHL-level. Vancouver needed a top 4 RD in a bad way and Hronek has proven ability in that regard. I’m willing to see how Hronek does in Vancouver as well as how well Vancouver’s revamped defensive core and PK-unit does before I decry this move.

Vancouver is the rare consistently non playoff team (one playoff appearance in the last 8 years) that somehow still has a very sparse and weak farm system. This is not a club that should have depth issues or nothing coming up thru the pipeline than can help EP win this year. It’s unusual. It’s definitely not promising for his prospects to see a strong future unless you can build thru UFA and risky trades.

Jim Benning

Lekkerimaki did nothing to enhance his value post draft year and still still years away. Williander is years away from making the club. And those are your two best prospects? Your 2021 1st (Dylan Guenther) plays for Arizona. Traded away 2020 1st. Used 2019 picks on quasi NHL players Podkolzin and Hoglander.

Again, Jim Benning

2017 and 2018 were great drafts in adding EP and Hughes but before that it was your Juolevi and Virtanen years. These are the years you’d build a core around EP and your best pick was a guy Vancouver would desperately love to dump, Boeser. A few traded picks and some underwhelming assets. Mixed in with some bad trades like OEL and bad signings like Myers.

More Jim Benning gripes.

I agree that if the team stinks again this year EP will and should ask out and the organization should rebuild. But I’d like to see it actually unfold first before panicking.

 

[Garbageyuk]

If that’s all it costs for a franchise 1 C you do it and quickly . He’s by far ( and I mean far ) the best asset listed . If it’s for only 1 year ( and walks to UFA ) then I agree it’s too steep .

“All it costs” lol. Nope. It could go bad fast. Imagine if Reinbacher becomes a franchise defenseman, Slafkovsky turns out to be a 40g top line winger, they take Xhekaj or Guhle who become top-4 D, and then the pick turns out to be someone like Celebrini or Eiserman. And on top of all that, they’d also be getting a likely 50 goal man in Caufield or a potential 1C (he’s already a solid 2C, at minimum) in Suzuki.

In that scenario, even if Pettersson remains a 100 point player, the impact of the others would far outweigh his. The scenario isn’t even unlikely either. Caufield has been scoring at a 48g pace since the coaching change, Reinbacher didn’t look at all out of place as an 18 year old in a pro men’s league, Slafkovsky is 30 games into his career and has massive potential, Guhle and Xhekaj are pretty much already top 4 NHL D, and the pick will be high.

There’s no way I give all that up for Pettersson, especially since he’d likely regress in MTL. Pass.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

He will sign for as long as Hughes is locked up for. If that core hasn’t done anything by then they will switch it up. I say he comes in on a 4 year deal around $11.375

 

[barry halls]

Love this, made my day. Spoiler alert: the canucks will definitely not have a great season.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

“All it costs” lol. Nope. It could go bad fast. Imagine if Reinbacher becomes a franchise defenseman, Slafkovsky turns out to be a 40g top line winger, they take Xhekaj or Guhle who become top-4 D, and then the pick turns out to be someone like Celebrini or Eiserman. And on top of all that, they’d also be getting a likely 50 goal man in Caufield or a potential 1C (he’s already a solid 2C, at minimum) in Suzuki.

In that scenario, even if Pettersson remains a 100 point player, the impact of the others would far outweigh his. The scenario isn’t even unlikely either. Caufield has been scoring at a 48g pace since the coaching change, Reinbacher didn’t look at all out of place as an 18 year old in a pro men’s league, Slafkovsky is 30 games into his career and has massive potential, Guhle and Xhekaj are pretty much already top 4 NHL D, and the pick will be high.

There’s no way I give all that up for Pettersson, especially since he’d likely regress in MTL. Pass.

I don't know if I've ever seen so much idealism in one post. Idealism or extreme wishful thinking. WOW

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

If that’s all it costs for a franchise 1 C you do it and quickly . He’s by far ( and I mean far ) the best asset listed . If it’s for only 1 year ( and walks to UFA ) then I agree it’s too steep .

Strongly disagree that MON should do that deal. Add EP to what's left of the Habs and it's going to be a long time for them to be competitive anyway.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

“All it costs” lol. Nope. It could go bad fast. Imagine if Reinbacher becomes a franchise defenseman, Slafkovsky turns out to be a 40g top line winger, they take Xhekaj or Guhle who become top-4 D, and then the pick turns out to be someone like Celebrini or Eiserman. And on top of all that, they’d also be getting a likely 50 goal man in Caufield or a potential 1C (he’s already a solid 2C, at minimum) in Suzuki.

In that scenario, even if Pettersson remains a 100 point player, the impact of the others would far outweigh his. The scenario isn’t even unlikely either. Caufield has been scoring at a 48g pace since the coaching change, Reinbacher didn’t look at all out of place as an 18 year old in a pro men’s league, Slafkovsky is 30 games into his career and has massive potential, Guhle and Xhekaj are pretty much already top 4 NHL D, and the pick will be high.

There’s no way I give all that up for Pettersson, especially since he’d likely regress in MTL. Pass.

I think you are massively overrating the Hab assets here. Calling Caufield a likely 50 goal guy for instance … I mean possible, maybe . Likely ? How many guys score 50 year in year out ? Slaf is young but did very poorly in a small sample , so to point to him as a massive piece also leaves something to be desired . Reinbacher could be good but is seemingly more viewed as a high floor guy than a guy in the Ilk of a Makar/game breaker. Guhle and Xehkaj are only top 4 types in Montreal ; not any actual competive teams . Suzuki is a 2 c ( as you stated ) but may only remain such . Absolutely no guarantee he improves . Again I think you easily do the deal if Pettersson shows a willingness to sign up long term . As a fan of neither team I think I’m pretty neutral ; at least more so than you might be .

Strongly disagree that MON should do that deal. Add EP to what's left of the Habs and it's going to be a long time for them to be competitive anyway.

So they’d be in the same spot as they are now but with a bonifide franchise game changing piece ?

 

[McJedi]

I think at the time of the trade Detroit was hoping both the Isles’ pick as well as Vancouver’s were going to be higher. ASP is a small, offensive defender that really wouldn’t add much to a team that already has Quinn Hughes. If they had kept the pick I would’ve hoped they had taken Oliver Moore, but he too isn’t a sure bet at the NHL-level. Vancouver needed a top 4 RD in a bad way and Hronek has proven ability in that regard. I’m willing to see how Hronek does in Vancouver as well as how well Vancouver’s revamped defensive core and PK-unit does before I decry this move.


Jim Benning


Again, Jim Benning


More Jim Benning gripes.

I agree that if the team stinks again this year EP will and should ask out and the organization should rebuild. But I’d like to see it actually unfold first before panicking.

I’m simply the retort of why I think it’s more likely than not that a year from now, EP will look at Vancouver’s roster and their pipeline and see a club that’s poorly run and several more seasons away from being a perennial playoff contender.

And I don’t foresee him signing away years of his UFA status for that. He doesn’t seem like the type of guy that AAV is the only driving factor.

Blame Jim Benning. He deserves it but the dice were cast already and the current GM is having to make win now trades and roster moves with a roster that probably can’t “win now”. If EP reaches a similar conclusion, he’s going to demand a trade next summer.

 

[Fordy]

another player wants out of their canadian team

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

So they’d be in the same spot as they are now but with a bonifide franchise game changing piece ?

I was looking at more from EP's POV. If he wants to play games that matter, why would he sign a long term deal with the Habs, when they would be setting their rebuild practically back to scratch? And the deal includes a future MON unprotected 1st so the rebuild gets pushed back even further?

I honestly think that Suzuki locked up long term at a good $ has more trade value than EP who is 2 years from UFA eligibility. And I love EP's game. After the Debrincat deal, I think that teams will be more gunshy about moving assets for a guy they hope to be able to resign, and the Hawks/Sens AD deals was about 1/3 the value of the proposed trade in this thread.

 

[DeltaSwede]

Axel Sandin Pellikka + 43rd pick in the 2023 draft for an injured Hronek + (a 4th rounder-pick 105) with one year left on his deal and one year of arbitration before UFA…. That’s very questionable as a trade and why many have called that trade lopsided in Detroits favor.

Spitting more propaganda than the USSR in this thread!

I have an entirely different memory of what was said at the time and the following days after the trade for Hronek. The only main critique was that it was odd timing, which I agree with. Consensus was that it was fair value for both sides and if anything Yzerman was the one getting more heat for it.

Canucks got a pretty damn good top 4 RHD and filled the organizations biggest need for a reasonable cost.

Calling it some questionable/risky/lopsided trade is really out there but I respect your unique evaluation and perspective on the topic. I take it you aren't picking Hronek in your fantasy draft?