Friedman: Pettersson says he’ll only re-sign if Canucks have successful season

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Spitting more propaganda than the USSR in this thread!

I have an entirely different memory of what was said at the time and the following days after the trade for Hronek. The only main critique was that it was odd timing, which I agree with. Consensus was that it was fair value for both sides and if anything Yzerman was the one getting more heat for it.

Canucks got a pretty damn good top 4 RHD and filled the organizations biggest need for a reasonable cost.

Calling it some questionable/risky/lopsided trade is really out there but I respect your unique evaluation and perspective on the topic. I take it you aren't picking Hronek in your fantasy draft?

What consensus was that, I don't ever remember reading that from anyone, even Wings fans were ecstatic about the trade, because they don't wanna pay Hronek. I like Hronek, but come on man, this is some selective memory crap.

This was the consensus from most people, from national media to our own. The guy was injured, and is due a big raise in a year, and the team that traded for him is a bottom feeder up against the cap with little to no prospect pool, how is it out there to say that trade was questionable given the context of the situation?

 

[Garbageyuk]

I don't know if I've ever seen so much idealism in one post. Idealism or extreme wishful thinking. WOW

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen such poor reading comprehension in one post. Oh wait, yes I have; this is HF, and it’s regular occurrence here.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen such poor reading comprehension in one post. Oh wait, yes I have; this is HF, and it’s regular occurrence here.

Awww someone doesn't understand what idealism is....

 

[thefutures]

What consensus was that, I don't ever remember reading that from anyone, even Wings fans were ecstatic about the trade, because they don't wanna pay Hronek. I like Hronek, but come on man, this is some selective memory crap.

This was the consensus from most people, from national media to our own. The guy was injured, and is due a big raise in a year, and the team that traded for him is a bottom feeder up against the cap with little to no prospect pool, how is it out there to say that trade was questionable given the context of the situation?

At this point I get the feeling alot of Canucks fans just don't know any better. They can sell themselves on any move the team makes and wish for the best. If enough fans think this way the team can literally do anything it wants without having to answer for it or explain their vision when goals are not met.

 

[MoneyManny]

Overall, I disagree. Otherwise what you;ll end up with is a smaller group of teams competing and a larger number of teams in no-man's land that are stuck in purgatory.

I would have compassion for him if it was him and 11 4th line caliber players and the GM and owners refused to spend money and they are at the cap floor. Bottom line, it's tough to build complete hockey teams. It's tough to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think JR or Allvin are sitting at their desks going "lets not try to win!"

Fact is, they have JT Miller signed long-term, Boeser, Kuzy, Garland, and Beauvillier with Mikheyev and Pearson on LTIR. So its not like they haven't collected a nice assortment of players. They have a good goalie and they have an okay defense. It takes time to build Cup-caliber teams. There are 31 teams every year that do not win the cup. 16 don't make the playoffs. There are a lot of things that go into it to as well like injury luck/bad luck.

So yeah, I'm not keen on this "if we don't win, I'm not resigning" remark. Get your ass on the ice and make it happen. The idea of "Well I want to go to a team that's already done the work" is not the best look IMHO.

Yeah, you expect your superstar to want to shoulder some responsability for his team's success. You don't pay a guy a 8 digit check to be a passenger. I agree with you it's not a good look.

 

[strattonius]

At this point I get the feeling alot of Canucks fans just don't know any better. They can sell themselves on any move the team makes and wish for the best. If enough fans think this way the team can literally do anything it wants without having to answer for it or explain their vision when goals are not met.

Is that really what you think? It's really stupid.

 

[Strangelove]

At this point I get the feeling alot of Canucks fans just don't know any better. They can sell themselves on any move the team makes and wish for the best. If enough fans think this way the team can literally do anything it wants without having to answer for it or explain their vision when goals are not met.

C'mon man, no fanbase ever criticized their GM as much as Nuck fans did Benning.

And I see plenty of criticism of Rutherford/Allvin from them.

But other than that, your post was spot on.

 

[krutovsdonut]

At this point I get the feeling alot of Canucks fans just don't know any better. They can sell themselves on any move the team makes and wish for the best. If enough fans think this way the team can literally do anything it wants without having to answer for it or explain their vision when goals are not met.

this post is the best proof of the mandela effect i have seen. there are obviously two alternate timelines merging and burnitdown comes from the other one.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

At this point I get the feeling alot of Canucks fans just don't know any better. They can sell themselves on any move the team makes and wish for the best. If enough fans think this way the team can literally do anything it wants without having to answer for it or explain their vision when goals are not met.

Yep, it's like a bunch of sheep, eating whatever crap they are thrown. I like this new management group alot more than the previous one, don't get me wrong, but they have been far from perfect and there have definitely been questionable moves.

C'mon man, no fanbase ever criticized their GM as much as Nuck fans did Benning.

And I see plenty of criticism of Rutherford/Allvin from them.

But other than that, your post was spot on.

Benning is the worst GM in NHL history and set this team back years, he deserved every bit if not more criticism from this fanbase, especially the ones delusional enough to back every move he made (there were plenty of these people)

 

[EverTheCynic]

Benning is the worst GM in NHL history and set this team back years, he deserved every bit if not more criticism from this fanbase, especially the ones delusional enough to back every move he made (there were plenty of these people)

Mike Millbury

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

At this point I get the feeling alot of Canucks fans just don't know any better. They can sell themselves on any move the team makes and wish for the best. If enough fans think this way the team can literally do anything it wants without having to answer for it or explain their vision when goals are not met.

Just IMO - but the Hronek deal we're discussing is EXACTLY the type of deal that an organization needs to make if they wants to be better to get EP to re-sign. Hronek is a legit NHL top 4 d-man right now with good offensive skills, and Sandin-Pellika is probably 3-4 years from contributing at the NHL level (if ever).

In either case - I don't understand people making this out to be a "huge loss" for the Canucks. Just my WAG, but ASP probably has 30% chance to bust, a 30% to be less than Hronek, a 30% chance to turn into what Hronek is now, and a 10% chance to way surpass Hronek. Obviously, the Canucks are only guaranteed 2 years of Hronek, but they can resign him if he does well and he likes Vancouver (which everyone does).

 

[Garbageyuk]

Awww someone doesn't understand what idealism is....

Lmao I love when someone tries to be condescending, but falls flat on their face. Bonus points if they still don’t realize it after. You are special lol.

 

[Strangelove]

Benning is the worst GM in NHL history and set this team back years, he deserved every bit if not more criticism from this fanbase...

See wot Burnitdown?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Just IMO - but the Hronek deal we're discussing is EXACTLY the type of deal that an organization needs to make if they wants to be better to get EP to re-sign. Hronek is a legit NHL top 4 d-man right now with good offensive skills, and Sandin-Pellika is probably 3-4 years from contributing at the NHL level (if ever).

In either case - I don't understand people making this out to be a "huge loss" for the Canucks. Just my WAG, but ASP probably has 30% chance to bust, a 30% to be less than Hronek, a 30% chance to turn into what Hronek is now, and a 10% chance to way surpass Hronek. Obviously, the Canucks are only guaranteed 2 years of Hronek, but they can resign him if he does well and he likes Vancouver (which everyone does).

I think the Hronek trade got criticized more for when it was made rather than the value or why it was made. But as I said in an earlier post I think Yzerman was taking a gamble that the Isles pick would be a few picks worse than it ended up being as Barzal had just been injured and I think Vancouver made the move then as they wanted to ensure they got their guy going forward. If that same trade is made at the draft there’s probably less people questioning the timing of the trade.

 

[thefutures]

See wot Burnitdown?

If this current team fails who's fault is it? Tocchet? Whoever the GM is? Or are we gunna finally put pressure on the right person?

 

[DeltaSwede]

Yep, it's like a bunch of sheep, eating whatever crap they are thrown. I like this new management group alot more than the previous one, don't get me wrong, but they have been far from perfect and there have definitely been questionable moves.


Benning is the worst GM in NHL history and set this team back years, he deserved every bit if not more criticism from this fanbase, especially the ones delusional enough to back every move he made (there were plenty of these people)

Would love to hear your plan on how things should be fixed. I mean you are calling people out here so let's hear what your actual opinion is. Right now you're just loud without adding anything .

Be as selective as you want, I really want to hear more from this big hockey brain.

What are the next moves in your mind?

Sorry, I just find it really cute that people with similar opinions as you have some sort of self entitlement thinking that the team owes them something or that their negativity will finally turn the tides and force management to make changes. Rarely mention anything other than wanting changes or that everything is bad and the wrong move.

So let's hear your masterplan. What changes are you proposing?

 

[thefutures]

Would love to hear your plan on how things should be fixed. I mean you are calling people out here so let's hear what your actual opinion is. Right now you're just loud without adding anything .

Be as selective as you want, I really want to hear more from this big hockey brain.

What are the next moves in your mind?

Sorry, I just find it really cute that people with similar opinions as you have some sort of self entitlement thinking that the team owes them something or that their negativity will finally turn the tides and force management to make changes. Rarely mention anything other than wanting changes or that everything is bad and the wrong move.

So let's hear your masterplan. What changes are you proposing?

Full rebuild is long overdue. Wasted Petterson so far, should've listened to Linden.

 

[DeltaSwede]

Full rebuild is long overdue. Wasted Petterson so far, should've listened to Linden.

I love it. Hindsight is 20-20 and I love that we also have the option to jump back in time here and listen to Linden.

Trade Pettersson, a top 10 forward in the league, for draft picks and prospects
Trade the organizations best ever defensemen for draft picks and prospects
Trade the starting goalie, at least top 15 in the league for draft picks and prospects
Trade the Russian sniper for draft picks and prospects

Trade em all I say! Sell! Sell! We have nothing going for us!

Who are we selecting, when are they making their NHL debuts and when do we win the cup?

 

[McJedi]

Spitting more propaganda than the USSR in this thread!

I have an entirely different memory of what was said at the time and the following days after the trade for Hronek. The only main critique was that it was odd timing, which I agree with. Consensus was that it was fair value for both sides and if anything Yzerman was the one getting more heat for it.

Canucks got a pretty damn good top 4 RHD and filled the organizations biggest need for a reasonable cost.

Calling it some questionable/risky/lopsided trade is really out there but I respect your unique evaluation and perspective on the topic. I take it you aren't picking Hronek in your fantasy draft?

I’m not taking him. Hughes is your PP QB.

A pick many assumed would land between 12-18th overall when the trade happened + a high 2nd rounder from the same excellent draft was a high price to pay for a middle pair level RHD with little long term control of the players rights.

And he was injured. Timing was very odd. As was the value. Go ahead and post a poll to see what HF thinks. Options can be: value favors Vancouver. Value favors Detroit and value was even. See what folks say.

I think, don’t know, that it will skew heavy in Detroit's favor.

 

[thefutures]

I love it. Hindsight is 20-20 and I love that we also have the option to jump back in time here and listen to Linden.

Trade Pettersson, a top 10 forward in the league, for draft picks and prospects
Trade the organizations best ever defensemen for draft picks and prospects
Trade the starting goalie, at least top 15 in the league for draft picks and prospects
Trade the Russian sniper for draft picks and prospects

Trade em all I say! Sell! Sell! We have nothing going for us!

Who are we selecting, when are they making their NHL debuts and when do we win the cup?

Lol nah run it back and hopefully the playoff race isn't out of the picture by December again

 

[DeltaSwede]

I’m not taking him. Hughes is your PP QB.

A pick many assumed would land between 12-18th overall when the trade happened + a high 2nd rounder from the same excellent draft was a high price to pay for a middle pair level RHD with little long term control of the players rights.

And he was injured. Timing was very odd. As was the value. Go ahead and post a poll to see what HF thinks. Options can be: value favors Vancouver. Value favors Detroit and value was even. See what folks say.

I think, don’t know, that it will skew heavy in Detroit's favor.

Or you could just read the thread on HFBoards. It's all there still.

Timing was odd - as I previously in this thread also alluded to. However, the Canucks were presented an opportunity to fill their biggest organizational need and they made the right decision to take the opportunity. I hope they do that always. That's how you improve your team. You make the moves that make you better and that's exactly what they did.

Interesting that assumed value carries a higher priority in your logic than actual value. Been discussed to death, possibly a reason to Hroneks availability and the enticement to find Vancouvers offer fair at the time. It was a gamble - obviously, a worthwhile one. Ridiculous to then hold that against the Canucks as they somehow lost out.

Middle pair level RHD? Isn't Hronek the guy that tracked like a top pairing defender, articles suggesting a 9 mil+ caphit, and that he's seen as at the very very worst a very good #4?

Do I need to make a poll for that too or is common sense and articles written by "not me" acceptable? It's from those stats nerd guys.

Canucks filled their biggest organizational need at a reasonable price.

 

[DeltaSwede]

Lol nah run it back and hopefully the playoff race isn't out of the picture by December again

Re-hauling the d-core within a season (Hronek, Cole, Soucy, Hirose added, OEL buyout)

I guess they are running it back with the exact same roster..

I mean unknownst to all of us, it's almost like a previous management group left a big turd to clean up. The turd was big enough to reroute an entire flight and the new guys are trying to clean it all up. It was huge so it takes time. It will get cleaned but we don't need to burn the entire airplane to clean it.

 

[thefutures]

Re-hauling the d-core within a season (Hronek, Cole, Soucy, Hirose added, OEL buyout)

I guess they are running it back with the exact same roster..

I mean unknownst to all of us, it's almost like a previous management group left a big turd to clean up. The turd was big enough to reroute an entire flight and the new guys are trying to clean it all up. It was huge so it takes time. It will get cleaned but we don't need to burn the entire airplane to clean it.

It's cool to call it a turd today, I just remember most of the fan base expecting to make the playoffs the last 2 years. Talk about revisionist history or hindsight being 20-20. Yeah it takes time to clean sh** up, but I don't think the trajectory of the team changes dramatically with that D "overhaul". I could be wrong but I'll need to see it first.

 

[McJedi]

Or you could just read the thread on HFBoards. It's all there still.

Timing was odd - as I previously in this thread also alluded to. However, the Canucks were presented an opportunity to fill their biggest organizational need and they made the right decision to take the opportunity. I hope they do that always. That's how you improve your team. You make the moves that make you better and that's exactly what they did.

Interesting that assumed value carries a higher priority in your logic than actual value. Been discussed to death, possibly a reason to Hroneks availability and the enticement to find Vancouvers offer fair at the time. It was a gamble - obviously, a worthwhile one. Ridiculous to then hold that against the Canucks as they somehow lost out.

Middle pair level RHD? Isn't Hronek the guy that tracked like a top pairing defender, articles suggesting a 9 mil+ caphit, and that he's seen as at the very very worst a very good #4?

Do I need to make a poll for that too or is common sense and articles written by "not me" acceptable? It's from those stats nerd guys.

Canucks filled their biggest organizational need at a reasonable price.

Hronek making $9mm per? Yikes.
You definitely lost the trade badly if your GM had given him that much to extend this summer.

He’s a RFA next summer with just one year to UFA. No platform to extend him this this summer due to the timing and injury. So now you’ll need to negotiate when he’s already out of contract and has arbitration rights right into UFA the following year.

Yeah. That’s risky.

You’re not convincing. He’s definitely not worthy of a $9mm AAV. You didn’t trade for Makar or even Werenski. Hronek is a lower level talent by a few tiers. He’s ideally suited for middle pair duties. Trading away two high picks from an excellent draft is a high price to pay considering he’s not locked up long term and Vancouver will probably need to overpay him given the leverage his agent has.

Risky trade. And one that robbed your farm system of what little it could have had.

Are you better? I suppose. A playoff team? Probably not. It’s a win a little more now, less in the future type deal.

On trend type deal you’d expect from a bad front office and poorly run organization like the Canucks.

 

[rypper]

He's not getting 9m

(And even if he did... his play would have dictated as much. Hughes and Hronek playing at a 9m level = playoffs.)