Proposal: Petry and Allen to the Stars

[Unspecified]

30 point top pair defensemen isn't exactly impressive or filling the need for defense scoring that is typically needed to succeed.

Like i stated i would rather have the forwards who are paid to score actually score instead of relying on Robertson/Hintz/Pavelski. If Dallas can fix the 2nd and 3rd line it takes away the need to have a 60 point defensemen.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Like i stated i would rather have the forwards who are paid to score actually score instead of relying on Robertson/Hintz/Pavelski. If Dallas can fix the 2nd and 3rd line it takes away the need to have a 60 point defensemen.

No it doesn't is the point. You need both.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We dont need Petry and especially not for $6.5 per season for the next 4 years. If Dallas is going to add a D man in the offseason (assuming Klingberg does not re-sign) i bet its gonna be for a cheaper option than Petry. If not they will stick with what they have and give more time to the kids.

How do you know? Are they going to retool or go for it while their senior citizens have something left? They should rebuild but will they?

 

[Unspecified]

No it doesn't is the point. You need both.

Shhhh....don't tell Minnesota that. They are forward heavy and they do most of the scoring and hmmm somehow managed to have the 5th best record this season...but yea "you need both".

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Shhhh....don't tell Minnesota that. They are forward heavy and they do most of the scoring and hmmm somehow managed to have the 5th best record this season...but yea "you need both".

Pretty sure Minnesota has 20+ more points as a whole on defense than Dallas before you get rid of Klingberg. Don't think that's the own you think it is.

 

[Irie]

Meh, if you slot Heiskanen in next to Robertson on the point on that 1st unit PP, he easily has 20 more points.

Teams lose PP QBs all the time and the panic is more often than not unwarranted, because the team will find someone with a bit of chemistry to slot in on that top spot, and their points will balloon just due to being put in that position.

We are talking John Klingberg, not Nicklaus Lidstrom.

This reminds me very much of the Rangers losing their top D point getter by a large margin, Keith Yandle, who also, by the way, happened to be by far their worst +/- player. They didn't go out and trade for some aging expensive contract to fill the void. McDonaugh stepped up and rookie Brady Skjei stepped in and filled the void for the season, and the team didn't miss a beat, all while saving a lot of cap.

 

[McJedi]

Petry and Allen is worth a mid to late 1st dart and maybe a 3rd/4th rounder on top. Petry alone is worth a late 1st and B prospect or a fringe grade A/B+ type and 2nd rounder.

Others can laugh and try to belittle all they want. Petry is not in decline at the age of 34. Skating/mobility is still top notch and top 4RD's are not readily available. Posters jumping down on Petry and thinking he is in decline and the contract is horrible have not really watched him play this year. It's a stat watch and devalue narrative clearly

I keep asking a question where it's left unanswered... if not Klingberg or Petry, who? Manson? Then who? Fans pretending that the Stars don't have a top 4RD hole if they let Klingberg walk is nonsense.

Lolz. You don’t have a single fan base particularly interested in adding Petry let alone offering any value for him. If Petry is acquired via trade, would stand to reason many other RHD are potential targets the same way. And many won’t have awful long term contracts attached to a declining 35 year old.

Right above this is a Dallas fan that quite adamantly shows no interest in adding Petry.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lolz. You don’t have a single fan base particularly interested in adding Petry let alone offering any value for him. If Petry is acquired via trade, would stand to reason many other RHD are potential targets the same way. And many won’t have awful long term contracts attached to a declining 35 year old.

Right above this is a Dallas fan that quite adamantly shows no interest in adding Petry.

Sorry but I don't trust anything you say about the Habs. You have a history from what I can see of devaluing. What's your deal? You're not even a Habs or Stars fan right? What's with the obsession towards the Habs trade talk cause you all over it in pretty much every Habs trade idea.

So yeah, if you showed previous context where you give credit and criticize, I'd engage a bit more.

Petry has more value than what you are throwing out. We both said what we said and you keep trying to carry it forward again and again.

We agree to disagree. I think I said that yesterday. Makes no sense to keep it going like this but you kind of hate the Habs and from what I recall, you even said it before so yeah... we know where your motives are

 

[Lshap]

Lolz. You don’t have a single fan base particularly interested in adding Petry let alone offering any value for him. If Petry is acquired via trade, would stand to reason many other RHD are potential targets the same way. And many won’t have awful long term contracts attached to a declining 35 year old.

Right above this is a Dallas fan that quite adamantly shows no interest in adding Petry.

Luckily for Montreal, the opinions of fan bases are irrelevant when it comes to getting proper value for their players.

Like a lot of Habs, 34-year-old Petry had a down year for reasons that have nothing to do with a decline.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No it doesn't is the point. You need both.

Agreed. Pretending that the Stars don't need a top 4RD if they let Klingberg walk is strange. Doesn't have to be Petry but there is a top 4RD need if Klingberg walks. It's clear as day

 

[Habs Halifax]

How do you know? Are they going to retool or go for it while their senior citizens have something left? They should rebuild but will they?

Stars extended Pavelski and didn't extend Klingberg (not yet anyways). They are not rebuilding. I'm guessing here but Klingberg from age 30-36 at $8M is risky and I don't blame them for avoiding it. It's very possible the Habs and Stars talked Petry before the deadline and agreed to talk more in the offseason (timing/circumstance was not right). HuGo talked about them talking to several possible trade ideas with teams and the Stars could have been one of them.

Stars will be looking for a top 4RD if they let Klingberg walk. There would be a hole there for sure. Doesn't have to be Petry... could be Letang or Manson. They might let Klingberg talk to other teams and tell him to circle back before he signs (test the market kind of thing). They will explore their multiple options and that's how I see it from the Stars perspective

 

[Unspecified]

Luckily for Montreal, the opinions of fan bases are irrelevant when it comes to getting proper value for their players.

Like a lot of Habs, 34-year-old Petry had a down year for reasons that have nothing to do with a decline.

Considering it's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality when determining value via trade. If a player scored let's say 50 points 3 seasons ago but the last couple had 20 points their value is not going to be what they did in those 3 seasons ago. Petry had a down year for whatever reason, that is what is value is going to be based off of. Then you factor in that $6+ million he makes for the next 3 seasons and it add a whole new dynamic to value.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Considering it's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality when determining value via trade. If a player scored let's say 50 points 3 seasons ago but the last couple had 20 points their value is not going to be what they did in those 3 seasons ago. Petry had a down year for whatever reason, that is what is value is going to be based off of. Then you factor in that $6+ million he makes for the next 3 seasons and it add a whole new dynamic to value.

Petry, like pretty much every habs player, was playing terribly under Ducharme. He's been much better since St. Louis took over.
He has now 20 pts in the last 27 games.

 

[Lshap]

Considering it's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality when determining value via trade. If a player scored let's say 50 points 3 seasons ago but the last couple had 20 points their value is not going to be what they did in those 3 seasons ago. Petry had a down year for whatever reason, that is what is value is going to be based off of. Then you factor in that $6+ million he makes for the next 3 seasons and it add a whole new dynamic to value.

You're right and I totally get it. Even though GMs see beyond a single season, they'll naturally try to buy low if a player has an off-year. If rumours are true, we'll see soon enough what Petry's trade value really is.

 

[Kcb12345]

Top 4 on Montreal is not Top 4 on Dallas.

Heiskanen
Lindell
Suter
Hakanpaa

Young-ins:
Hanley
Harley

Where does Petry fit in especially with that $6.5 million dollar contract for the next 3 years? the contract alone is an albatross and he is not worth half of what he is making. Then toss in his has a M-NTC, NMC ....Dallas wants NO part of that.

Have seen you mention Joel Hanley a few times...he's a 30 year old #7/8 dman and nothing more. Not young and definitely doesn't have more potential

I mostly agree with your argument but that's an important note I had to make lol

 

[Vachon23]

Luckily for Montreal, the opinions of fan bases are irrelevant when it comes to getting proper value for their players.

Like a lot of Habs, 34-year-old Petry had a down year for reasons that have nothing to do with a decline.

Good look at the history of 35 yrs Dmen with term traded, they never return great value and it won't change with Petry. Not saying we will need to pay to trade him but we won't get a 1st pick or that type of return.

 

[Lshap]

Good look at the history of 35 yrs Dmen with term traded, they never return great value and it won't change with Petry. Not saying we will need to pay to trade him but we won't get a 1st pick or that type of return.

If the Habs trade Petry next trade-deadline, when he'll be 35, he'll have only two seasons left on his contract. He'll be 37 when his contract ends.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Petry, like pretty much every habs player, was playing terribly under Ducharme. He's been much better since St. Louis took over.
He has now 20 pts in the last 27 games.

The key with Petry is who you play him with. He fits very well with Eddy and I think the Stars have a good partner for him too. Lindell.

Petry with a younger guy learning on the job is not ideal. Just giving my honest opinion on that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Good look at the history of 35 yrs Dmen with term traded, they never return great value and it won't change with Petry. Not saying we will need to pay to trade him but we won't get a 1st pick or that type of return.

Depends on what you think "great value" is. And when talking about 34-36/37 years, you have to look at the trends in their skating and mobility vs points in determining their decline factors.

Without Allen: Petry is worth a late 1st and B prospect or a fringe grade A/B+ and a 2nd rounder
With Allen: Petry is worth a mid 1st rounder ish

People can laugh all they want but the top 4RD market is not great. Letang, Klingberg, Deangelo, Manson, with Petry (trade) mixed in. There are more than 4 teams looking for a top 4RD. And UFA's will require steep AAV/term offers.

Petry with $1M retention at $5.25M will get interest. I stand firm.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Have seen you mention Joel Hanley a few times...he's a 30 year old #7/8 dman and nothing more. Not young and definitely doesn't have more potential

I mostly agree with your argument but that's an important note I had to make lol

Not to ignore that it's a list of D not showing who is RD or LD. There is no way to spin this, if the Stars let Klingberg walk, they have a big top 4RD hole.

 

[lamp9post]

Lolz. You don’t have a single fan base particularly interested in adding Petry let alone offering any value for him. If Petry is acquired via trade, would stand to reason many other RHD are potential targets the same way. And many won’t have awful long term contracts attached to a declining 35 year old.

Right above this is a Dallas fan that quite adamantly shows no interest in adding Petry.

You mean like how there wasn't a single fan base particularly interested in Chiarot and how Montreal would never get more than a 3rd rounder for him? Yeah, I'll take 'fan opinion' on these boards with a grain of salt.

Fact is Petry is a top-4 defenseman on almost every team in the league and so teams looking to upgrade or fill a top-4 position will be interested. As for value, all depends on what contracts are coming back in return. I don't think it will be a haul, but he'll definitely bring back value and is easily movable.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You mean like how there wasn't a single fan base particularly interested in Chiarot and how Montreal would never get more than a 3rd rounder for him? Yeah, I'll take 'fan opinion' on these boards with a grain of salt.

Fact is Petry is a top-4 defenseman on almost every team in the league and so teams looking to upgrade or fill a top-4 position will be interested. As for value, all depends on what contracts are coming back in return. I don't think it will be a haul, but he'll definitely bring back value and is easily movable.

With that poster, You can create an offer of Caufield for Yamamoto and he will still say that's "horrible" for the Oilers. Counters with Archibald.

 

[TS Quint]

Time for Halifax Habs fan to badger another fan base to drop this anchor on.

 

[Gaud]

Good look at the history of 35 yrs Dmen with term traded, they never return great value and it won't change with Petry. Not saying we will need to pay to trade him but we won't get a 1st pick or that type of return.

I think he gets a positive return.
as for the first, Giordano got 2 seconds and a 3rd, which is 1st-ish, so Petry may get something like that

 

[Vachon23]

I think he gets a positive return.
as for the first, Giordano got 2 seconds and a 3rd, which is 1st-ish, so Petry may get something like that

Giordano was a rental though. If Petry was FA at the end of the season, his value would have been really good no doubt about that. The problem with Petry is the 3 others seasons under contract