Proposal: Petry and Allen to the Stars

[Unspecified]

So if not Klingberg and Petry, who? I don't see the Stars not trying to add a top 4RD. Manson?

Top 4 on Montreal is not Top 4 on Dallas.

Heiskanen
Lindell
Suter
Hakanpaa

Young-ins:
Hanley
Harley

Where does Petry fit in especially with that $6.5 million dollar contract for the next 3 years? the contract alone is an albatross and he is not worth half of what he is making. Then toss in his has a M-NTC, NMC ....Dallas wants NO part of that.

 

[beowulf]

That’s the point.

In no way is Petry returning a 1st. He’s more like a cap dump today

I would not be surprised if he does.

As for Allen I don't think he is going anywhere given the news on Price seeing a doctor in New York and rumor he might retire if the news ain't great.

 

[McJedi]

Stars would also be stupid not to replace Klingberg in the top 4RD. There is that too. Kind of like the Oilers being stupid at not improving the goalie situation this summer. If not Klingberg or Petry, who? I don't see the Stars sitting back and not trying to land a top 4RD.

Petry is worth more than a 3rd rounder. He's going to remain a top 4RD from age 34-36/37. But like Eddy, you will need a type like that to play him with to get the best results. Stars have Lindell who fits.

Petry is worth a 3rd rounder? . If you have to exaggerate to prove your opinion, you don't really have a good opinion.

Petrys contract is isn’t worth a 6th rounder in 2029. Who wants the obligation to pay a washed up 35 year old for the next three years like he’s a great number 2-3 type D man when often he’s bottom pair level and declining fast as he ages.

Dallas can explore any number of option to play defense for them. They could sign sign Josh Manson away from the Avs. Or have Thomas Harley move into the middle pair as a puck mover. They could explore 50 other alternatives.

Your opinion that Petry is valuable is nothing more than Fanboi pontificating.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Petrys contract is isn’t worth a 6th rounder in 2029. Who wants the obligation to pay a washed up 35 year old for the next three years like he’s a great number 2-3 type D man when often he’s bottom pair level and declining fast as he ages.

Dallas can explore any number of option to play defense for them. They could sign sign Josh Manson away from the Avs. Or have Thomas Harley move into the middle pair as a puck mover. They could explore 50 other alternatives.

Your opinion that Petry is valuable is nothing more than Fanboi pontificating.

We don't agree.

 

[McJedi]

We don't agree.

No kidding. I’m more in agreement with the many non Habs fans telling you that teams don’t want the obligation to pay Petry.

As evidenced by the lack of trade after he’d requested one. If teams wanted this player, he’d have been moved already. He was very available at the deadline. One where the Habs GM successfully traded several of his assets that were valued by open the market.

So your opinion lacks foundation.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Top 4 on Montreal is not Top 4 on Dallas.

Heiskanen
Lindell
Suter
Hakanpaa

Young-ins:
Hanley
Harley

Where does Petry fit in especially with that $6.5 million dollar contract for the next 3 years? the contract alone is an albatross and he is not worth half of what he is making. Then toss in his has a M-NTC, NMC ....Dallas wants NO part of that.

Petry fits in the 2nd pairing with Lindell. Basically replacing Klingberg if you let him walk. You may not agree but Petry is a top 4RD and will remain that way from age 34-35/36.

I keep saying it. His mobility/skating is not in decline. There are zero signs of it. This season is a team fit issue, not a decline issue. People are dwelling on his age 34 too much. He's going to draw interest cause many teams are looking for a top 4RD. Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 at a $1M less than what Petry is getting paid for pretty much the same age range. And Petry is the better defenseman.

This is not a LD narrative so remove your LD guys and you will see the hole the Stars have if you let Klingberg walk. With Bishop on LTIR, Stars have around $24.5M in cap space. Enough to sign your RFA's and find a top 4RD.

So I ask again, if not Klingberg or Petry, who? Manson? Do you think the Stars sit back and try to replace within? Like promoting Hakanpaa to a top 4RD min role?

Petry's contract is not an albatross and the Habs know what we are trading. This is not Gallagher we are trying to trade. His skating is in noticeable decline and he is younger. Players in their 30's don't decline all at the same rates. 34-36/37 is not a horrible age range for someone who is lean for his body size and still has top notch skating/mobility. Disagree? Well, you would have to have watched Habs games this year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No kidding. I’m more in agreement with the many non Habs fans telling you that teams don’t want the obligation to pay Petry.

As evidenced by the lack of trade after he’d requested one. If teams wanted this player, he’d have been moved already. He was very available at the deadline. One where the Habs GM successfully traded several of his assets that were valued by open the market.

So your opinion lacks foundation.

Just because we disagree, it doesn't mean my opinion lacks foundation. How about you keep replying and then accuse me of replying back saying the same things. Fun stuff.

It's harder to trade contracts with term at a deadline so your opinion lacks foundation. Stars have open room at the top 4RD if they let Klingberg walk. I don't see them in rebuild mode and just sitting back where they try to replace within.

We agree to disagree. No need to spin it

 

[Habs Halifax]

Petrys contract is isn’t worth a 6th rounder in 2029. Who wants the obligation to pay a washed up 35 year old for the next three years like he’s a great number 2-3 type D man when often he’s bottom pair level and declining fast as he ages.

Dallas can explore any number of option to play defense for them. They could sign sign Josh Manson away from the Avs. Or have Thomas Harley move into the middle pair as a puck mover. They could explore 50 other alternatives.

Your opinion that Petry is valuable is nothing more than Fanboi pontificating.

"Petrys contract is isn’t worth a 6th rounder in 2029"

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would not be surprised if he does.

As for Allen I don't think he is going anywhere given the news on Price seeing a doctor in New York and rumor he might retire if the news ain't great.

Petry and Allen is worth a mid to late 1st dart and maybe a 3rd/4th rounder on top. Petry alone is worth a late 1st and B prospect or a fringe grade A/B+ type and 2nd rounder.

Others can laugh and try to belittle all they want. Petry is not in decline at the age of 34. Skating/mobility is still top notch and top 4RD's are not readily available. Posters jumping down on Petry and thinking he is in decline and the contract is horrible have not really watched him play this year. It's a stat watch and devalue narrative clearly

I keep asking a question where it's left unanswered... if not Klingberg or Petry, who? Manson? Then who? Fans pretending that the Stars don't have a top 4RD hole if they let Klingberg walk is nonsense.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Faksa would be my target and we could add something

I'll give you credit. At least you are aware the Stars need to find a Klingberg replacement if they let him walk.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Age can affect skating/mobility, yes.

But they say the first thing affected by age is hand speed and nerve impulse speed

The latter meaning you're loosing this split second between the thought of doing something and your reaction.

And everybody knows that pro sports are all about this split second reactivity.

Petry is on the wrong side of 30's, an age when you can hit the drop cliff anytime.

Want it or not, with his contract, age, attitude in the present season (you can use whatever excuses, but at the end of the day you see how professional a player is when things go wrong) and performances, Petry has red flags all over him.

Was the Knights stupid for signing Martinez from age 34-36 at a $1M less than Petry where Martinez is not as good?

Would you rather retain Klingberg from age 30-36 at $8M?

In terms of decline with Petry, other than stats this year on a bad team, there are zero signs of decline. So you and others are reaching in the 30's narrative where you are trying to apply it equally to all players. It don't work that way

 

[Unspecified]

Petry fits in the 2nd pairing with Lindell. Basically replacing Klingberg if you let him walk. You may not agree but Petry is a top 4RD and will remain that way from age 34-35/36.

I keep saying it. His mobility/skating is not in decline. There are zero signs of it. This season is a team fit issue, not a decline issue. People are dwelling on his age 34 too much. He's going to draw interest cause many teams are looking for a top 4RD. Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 at a $1M less than what Petry is getting paid for pretty much the same age range. And Petry is the better defenseman.

This is not a LD narrative so remove your LD guys and you will see the hole the Stars have if you let Klingberg walk. With Bishop on LTIR, Stars have around $24.5M in cap space. Enough to sign your RFA's and find a top 4RD.

So I ask again, if not Klingberg or Petry, who? Manson? Do you think the Stars sit back and try to replace within? Like promoting Hakanpaa to a top 4RD min role?

Petry's contract is not an albatross and the Habs know what we are trading. This is not Gallagher we are trying to trade. His skating is in noticeable decline and he is younger. Players in their 30's don't decline all at the same rates. 34-36/37 is not a horrible age range for someone who is lean for his body size and still has top notch skating/mobility. Disagree? Well, you would have to have watched Habs games this year.

Viable candidates assuming they dont re-sign would be:
Letang
DeKeyser
Mason
Leddy
Stralman
Schultz

Letang would cost a lot but the other could be had for significantly less than what Petry makes.

Plus there is a possibility if Klingberg does not re-sign in Dallas that we just promote Harley and or Hanley and spend the money on secondary scoring which we desperately need.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Viable candidates assuming they dont re-sign would be:
Letang
DeKeyser
Mason
Leddy
Stralman
Schultz

Letang would cost a lot but the other could be had for significantly less than what Petry makes.

Plus there is a possibility if Klingberg does not re-sign in Dallas that we just promote Harley and or Hanley and spend the money on secondary scoring which we desperately need.

I totally forgot about Letang . Add Deangelo

I'm thinking the options for top 4RD's are Klingberg, Letang, Deangelo, Petry, Manson. Other than Petry, who else is on the trade market as a top 4RD?

I doubt the Stars consider Leddy, Stralman, Schultz as a top 4RD solution.

 

[Unspecified]

I totally forgot about Letang . Add Deangelo

I'm thinking the options for top 4RD's are Klingberg, Letang, Deangelo, Petry, Manson. Other than Petry, who else is on the trade market as a top 4RD?

I doubt the Stars consider Leddy, Stralman, Schultz as a top 4RD solution.

To address secondary scoring which is lacking big time the need to go after a Klingberg-ish type guy is all but out of the question especially when they can address it internally for FAR less.

 

[Habs Halifax]

To address secondary scoring which is lacking big time the need to go after a Klingberg-ish type guy is all but out of the question especially when they can address it internally for FAR less.

Address top 4RD internally for far less? Who? Hakanpaa? 16 min a game to 20+? Good luck with that.

I forget if it was your or not but did you list both the RD's and LD's in a previous thread? Like it don't matter what side they play? What LD has the potential to play RD in a top 4D role? Internally

 

[Pinkfloyd]

To address secondary scoring which is lacking big time the need to go after a Klingberg-ish type guy is all but out of the question especially when they can address it internally for FAR less.

Klingberg is secondary scoring as well and losing that for internal options that won't produce like that is going the wrong way.

 

[Unspecified]

Klingberg is secondary scoring as well and losing that for internal options that won't produce like that is going the wrong way.

We dont need Klingberg to score when we have Heiskanen and Lindell. We need forwards outside of the first line to score

 

[pth2]

No kidding. I’m more in agreement with the many non Habs fans telling you that teams don’t want the obligation to pay Petry.

As evidenced by the lack of trade after he’d requested one. If teams wanted this player, he’d have been moved already. He was very available at the deadline. One where the Habs GM successfully traded several of his assets that were valued by open the market.

So your opinion lacks foundation.

It's not as if there were several trades of players with term over the course of the season, though.
It's a flat cap environment, with contracts signed with the expectation of a rising cap. This also leads to the fact that Petry's contract won't be as large a % of the cap as it is likely to rise very quickly, moreso with recent inflation.
So, your opinion lacks foundation.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

We dont need Klingberg to score when we have Heiskanen and Lindell. We need forwards outside of the first line to score

I think you're mistaken on that front. Heiskanen and Lindell don't score enough on their own to not need more scoring from underneath to keep the Stars playoff competitive.

 

[pth2]

Regarding the original post, I don't see Allen going anywhere until the Price situation is clarified for the long run.

As to Petry, I think he could be a fit, but only if they've given up on Klingberg, and if the return in assets is low. After UFA season they might want to revisit this and be willing to part with more, but I'd take a 2nd rounder if no retention (more if we have to take back a worthless contract, or maybe we also take back a serviceable player that they want to move on from). I think it's important not to have malcontent around, I wouldn't want to be trying to move him at camp to get value for him.

 

[Unspecified]

I think you're mistaken on that front. Heiskanen and Lindell don't score enough on their own to not need more scoring from underneath to keep the Stars playoff competitive.

Combined Lindell and Heiskanen have put up almost 60 points and yes losing Klingberg's scoring will hurt some on the defensive core but spreading offensive scoring across more than the 1st line will more than fill that gap. We dont need the Erik Karlsson of old if we have 2/3 lines scoring at what they are expected to.

 

[McJedi]

It's not as if there were several trades of players with term over the course of the season, though.
It's a flat cap environment, with contracts signed with the expectation of a rising cap. This also leads to the fact that Petry's contract won't be as large a % of the cap as it is likely to rise very quickly, moreso with recent inflation.
So, your opinion lacks foundation.

There is no one in the hockey world that thinks the cap will rise significantly any time soon. Maybe goes up a meager $1mm next year, maybe another meager $1mm the year after. While Petry is under contract, the cap will remain stagnant. Flat cap. Aged induced regression you’re seeing in Petry. You couldn’t waive him today and get him off your books. He’d sail right thru waivers.

Your lockdowns this season in Canada did no favors to the league earning back revenues unexpectedly lost this year. The cap is flat. You and I know this will continue for a few more seasons.

 

[McJedi]

Combined Lindell and Heiskanen have put up almost 60 points and yes losing Klingberg's scoring will hurt some on the defensive core but spreading offensive scoring across more than the 1st line will more than fill that gap. We dont need the Erik Karlsson of old if we have 2/3 lines scoring at what they are expected to.

You’re a Dallas fan. Do you want Petry? If so, what would you trade for him? If you don’t want him, Why?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Combined Lindell and Heiskanen have put up almost 60 points and yes losing Klingberg's scoring will hurt some on the defensive core but spreading offensive scoring across more than the 1st line will more than fill that gap. We dont need the Erik Karlsson of old if we have 2/3 lines scoring at what they are expected to.

30 point top pair defensemen isn't exactly impressive or filling the need for defense scoring that is typically needed to succeed.

 

[Unspecified]

You’re a Dallas fan. Do you want Petry? If so, what would you trade for him? If you don’t want him, Why?

We dont need Petry and especially not for $6.5 per season for the next 4 years. If Dallas is going to add a D man in the offseason (assuming Klingberg does not re-sign) i bet its gonna be for a cheaper option than Petry. If not they will stick with what they have and give more time to the kids.