Proposal: Petry and Allen to the Stars

[Dr Pepper]

If Klingberg walks, who is added at RD? Or is there a replacement from within?

Not sure.

Internal, possibly, but I'd welcome an outside option if it means Dallas gets to hang on to their first rounder.

 

[McJedi]

Not sure.

Internal, possibly, but I'd welcome an outside option if it means Dallas gets to hang on to their first rounder.

Dallas would be stupid to trade a first for Petry and Allen.

Would you trade a 3rd rounder for Petry? I wouldn’t because that’s an overpay for a guy that probably sails right thru waivers, but I’m not Dallas.

 

[FerrisRox]

Habs don't need to keep Allen. One of Price or Allen will be traded this summer cause I do think we want Monty in the mix. Can't have all 3. So Allen is the likely one to be traded IMO. Price/Monty with Primeau there if you need him.

Petry's value has not fallen like some think it has. 4 seasons in a row of 40+ pts and meh production this year on a bad team where his skating/mobility is still there. He's got value and gas left.

I believe the Stars can use Petry and Allen and still have cap room left to go after other improvement. Habs can retain on one of them depending on the trade package return as well.

Why would they want Montembeault in the mix when Allen and Price are both significantly better?

 

[McJedi]

Why would they want Montembeault in the mix when Allen and Price are both significantly better?

Price is 0-4 with an 86% save percentage this season. now He’s off to NYC to be evaluated by doctors.

Price may never be NHL viable again. Habs need to keep Allen. Price on LTIR is a distinct possibility for the balance of that contract.

 

[mrinsane]

Faksa would be my target and we could add something

 

[Boondock]

I thought it was $19.7M as well but with Bishop not on LTIR. Move him to LTIR and it's $24.6M.

I think the Stars can sign their RFA's and also add a top 4RD.

Teams can always find a way to make it work if they feel strongly enough about a player. I question whether or not Dallas would value Petry and Allen enough to give up the asset and cap required. I see the fit as a Klingberg replacemen, Allen might be redundant but retained he’s valuable. Dallas doesn’t have a history of moving 1sts, Petry has enough questions that his cap number and term will cause some pause for a team with cap and depth concerns. I think the Dallas first and the cap space could get Dallas a more impactful return. Im not a Stars fan, so I could be very wrong. I also think there are teams that would pay a 1st for Petry and Allen but Dallas isn’t one of them.

 

[Unspecified]

If the Stars let Klingberg walk, I can see Petry as a possible replacement. They appear that they can use Allen as well?

* I'd take a 1/2 year cap dump but not sure what the Stars would sent back. Other options are $1M retention on Petry (depending on the futures return package)

* Futures? TBD. Would the Stars move their mid 1st rounder? Not sure. What other prospects picks would you consider moving?

Dallas doesn't need another aging D man if Klingberg walks plus Petry is not that great of an add. Dallas has Otter and Wedgewood in goal which completely make Allen irrelevant. We have some money coming off the books after this season that will free up plenty of money to sign better players to fill needs.

 

[Moose Head]

I don’t see the Habs wasting a retention spot so soon on Allen. They’ll need those spots for the next trade deadline in 2023 in order to have more flexibility in making deals. Everyone knows the Habs are likely sellers again next season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dallas doesn't need another aging D man if Klingberg walks plus Petry is not that great of an add. Dallas has Otter and Wedgewood in goal which completely make Allen irrelevant. We have some money coming off the books after this season that will free up plenty of money to sign better players to fill needs.

So if not Klingberg and Petry, who? I don't see the Stars not trying to add a top 4RD. Manson?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would they want Montembeault in the mix when Allen and Price are both significantly better?

Cause we are rebuilding and Monty is a good back-up who will be cheaper. I'm pretty sure the Habs try to trade one of Price or Allen this summer. Price is too hard to move and not enough games played. Lots of teams will be looking for goalies and Allen's cap hit will be attractive. He's not a sure shot starter but a great 1B type to pair up with someone. Habs can even make it more attractive by retaining 50% on Allen for that last year.

It would be different if we were trying to make the playoffs. Hard to say what HuGo are going to do but the signs say rebuild and more youth on the roster.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not sure.

Internal, possibly, but I'd welcome an outside option if it means Dallas gets to hang on to their first rounder.

I do think the Stars will look for a top 4RD but so are other teams. I don't see the Stars sitting back so if not Klingberg or Petry, maybe Manson?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dallas would be stupid to trade a first for Petry and Allen.

Would you trade a 3rd rounder for Petry? I wouldn’t because that’s an overpay for a guy that probably sails right thru waivers, but I’m not Dallas.

Stars would also be stupid not to replace Klingberg in the top 4RD. There is that too. Kind of like the Oilers being stupid at not improving the goalie situation this summer. If not Klingberg or Petry, who? I don't see the Stars sitting back and not trying to land a top 4RD.

Petry is worth more than a 3rd rounder. He's going to remain a top 4RD from age 34-36/37. But like Eddy, you will need a type like that to play him with to get the best results. Stars have Lindell who fits.

Petry is worth a 3rd rounder? . If you have to exaggerate to prove your opinion, you don't really have a good opinion.

 

[Norwegianoiler]

Nearly 25 years at this forum and that would be new.

Site traffic would plummet?

 

[Eco]

hard to know Petry's value last year he was amazing and lots of GMs would of been interested but this years its been really really bad so is it because hes family left or does he suck now personally i dont think he lost it but not a fan of hes contract atm so maybe he lands a 2nd


We need to keep Allen Price just missed a full year played a few games and already injured i dont think hes gonna last long

Why do we need to keep Allen? We are still in rebuild mode and the best thing for this organization is likely to sign Monty to a few years deal, and then roll with Primeau as back up. Sound awful? Yeah, because it is. This team doesn't need to be holding onto aging assets when we all know what we need are bad contracts off the books and draft picks.

 

[Chainshot]

Site traffic would plummet?

That just takes a Leaf or Hab trade rumor to fix.

 

[FerrisRox]

Cause we are rebuilding and Monty is a good back-up who will be cheaper. I'm pretty sure the Habs try to trade one of Price or Allen this summer. Price is too hard to move and not enough games played. Lots of teams will be looking for goalies and Allen's cap hit will be attractive. He's not a sure shot starter but a great 1B type to pair up with someone. Habs can even make it more attractive by retaining 50% on Allen for that last year.

It would be different if we were trying to make the playoffs. Hard to say what HuGo are going to do but the signs say rebuild and more youth on the roster.

Montembeault has provided zero evidence that he's a good backup at the NHL level. Even at the AHL level, he's only had one season with a save percentage over .900. This isn't the guy you trade a veteran away to give a shot to.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montembeault has provided zero evidence that he's a good backup at the NHL level. Even at the AHL level, he's only had one season with a save percentage over .900. This isn't the guy you trade a veteran away to give a shot to.

I disagree. Monty has has some very bad games but some very good ones. He's battled through the high danger shots over and over again. He's a good piece for the Habs to keep during our rebuild years.

I've watched every single game of the Habs mess of a season this year. You can't argue with me if you wish but you're wrong. How about you tell me his stats?

 

[TS Quint]

Stars would also be stupid not to replace Klingberg in the top 4RD. There is that too. Kind of like the Oilers being stupid at not improving the goalie situation this summer. If not Klingberg or Petry, who? I don't see the Stars sitting back and not trying to land a top 4RD.

Petry is worth more than a 3rd rounder. He's going to remain a top 4RD from age 34-36/37. But like Eddy, you will need a type like that to play him with to get the best results. Stars have Lindell who fits.

Petry is worth a 3rd rounder? . If you have to exaggerate to prove your opinion, you don't really have a good opinion.

Another team for Habs fans to shove this guy down their throats haha.


Petry isn’t a top 4 this year. Not on a good team. I guess Montreal can hope for a comeback next year. But that’s their problem and no one else wants it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Another team for Habs fans to shove this guy down their throats haha.


Petry isn’t a top 4 this year. Not on a good team. I guess Montreal can hope for a comeback next year. But that’s their problem and no one else wants it.

Petry is still a top 4RD on pretty much every signal NHL team. He's has not lost his mobility/skating and you are stat watching.

4 seasons in a row of 40+ points and a meh season at age 33/34 on a very bad team. Has not lots his skating/mobility. How convenient to the Habs haters out there eh? It's Petry we are talking about, not Gallagher.

After Klingberg signs. Petry will be a RD target by several teams. Manson is in the mix too. Top 4RD's are not easy to find and many teams are looking for them. Petry has not lost his mobilty/skating. Reality

 

[TS Quint]

Petry is still a top 4RD on pretty much every signal NHL team. He's has not lost his mobility/skating and you are stat watching.

4 seasons in a row of 40+ points and a meh season at age 33/34 on a very bad team. Has not lots his skating/mobility. How convenient to the Habs haters out there eh? It's Petry we are talking about, not Gallagher.

After Klingberg signs. Petry will be a RD target by several teams. Manson is in the mix too. Top 4RD's are not easy to find and many teams are looking for them. Petry has not lost his mobilty/skating. Reality

I know you love to talk about the past with the old man but how many points this year?

3 years on that contract at his age is a huge risk that no one wants to take that on at full price. If they want a top 4 RD the Stars at this stage shouldn’t take this kind of risk. There’s a good chance for his contract you get mediocre to a useless player Over the 3 years. Maybe the Habs find a sucker but I hope it’s not a team I hope for. Trade this boat anchor to the Preds At all the value you want and more please!

 

[Habs Halifax]

I know you love to talk about the past with the old man but how many points this year?

3 years on that contract at his age is a huge risk that no one wants to take that on at full price. If they want a top 4 RD the Stars at this stage shouldn’t take this kind of risk. There’s a good chance for his contract you get mediocre to a useless player Over the 3 years. Maybe the Habs find a sucker but I hope it’s not a team I hope for. Trade this boat anchor to the Preds At all the value you want and more please!

What has a higher risk?
Klingberg from age 30-36 at around $8M
vs
Petry from age 34/-36/37 at $6.25M.

Petry has not fallen down as much as you think he has. The risks are not as high as you think. Petry's skating/mobility has not fallen which is the major area to evaluate in decline. Not stats.

Stars are not going to sit back. They will try to find a top 4RD and the available list is not large. It's possible it neither of Klingberg or Petry and it's Manson. After that? It drops by a wide margin.

 

[samsagat]

...but where is the 2nd rounder? Come on, some traditions can not die. "Petry, Allen, and a 2nd" has to be the offer.

The Habs 2nd in 2022 is one rank short from being a 1st

 

[samsagat]

Yeah, after all it's not private conversations. It's a group chat where anybody can jump in at any point.

Personally, I do see Petry and Allen fitting the Stars if they let Klingberg walk. What is the right trade value? Not sure but that's what the thread is created for.

I do see why the Stars are hesitating on giving Klingberg a massive contract.
Klingberg from age 30-37 at $8M (+/-)
vs
Petry from age 34-36/37 at $6.25M

To be honest, I think there is less risks with Petry with the term even at his age. Some are worried about the 34+ years but with me that applies to players who are actually showing signs of decline. If anybody has watched Petry this year, he is not in skating/mobility decline. It's a team fit problem. 4 seasons in a row of 40+ pts and I believe he will age well and remain a top 4RD with his term left. He's a good replacement on Klingberg IMO.

Allen added cause I also think the Stars need a goaltender. I think there is a fit but once again... the futures need to be discussed. I think I would do it straight up for the Stars mid 1st rounder. Might seem like a steep price to pay but Petry and Allen are not horrible assets. Very far from it

Age can affect skating/mobility, yes.

But they say the first thing affected by age is hand speed and nerve impulse speed

The latter meaning you're loosing this split second between the thought of doing something and your reaction.

And everybody knows that pro sports are all about this split second reactivity.

Petry is on the wrong side of 30's, an age when you can hit the drop cliff anytime.

Want it or not, with his contract, age, attitude in the present season (you can use whatever excuses, but at the end of the day you see how professional a player is when things go wrong) and performances, Petry has red flags all over him.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Why do we need to keep Allen? We are still in rebuild mode and the best thing for this organization is likely to sign Monty to a few years deal, and then roll with Primeau as back up. Sound awful? Yeah, because it is. This team doesn't need to be holding onto aging assets when we all know what we need are bad contracts off the books and draft picks.

Allen is far from a bad contract and Primeau showed us this year hes not ready for the NHL

Its not like trading Allen will give us anything good will be lucky to get a 2nd

 

[Eco]

Allen is far from a bad contract and Primeau showed us this year hes not ready for the NHL

Its not like trading Allen will give us anything good will be lucky to get a 2nd

You are correct that Allen isn't on a bad contract, but he's shown to be a top level backup goalie, so while we may only get a 2nd, I think it's only fair to send to somewhere that he can be competitive.

And it doesn't have to be Primeau, but it also doesn't need to be someone that'll dominate, because we aren't ready for that.

Unless you have a tremendous offseason, pick up a few pieces, we are likely looking at another top 10 draft pick next year, and that should be okay as we try to get past the MB era.