Peterborough Petes 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Petesfan8]

I think the issue right now with Hamilton is they seem to be valuing bodies over picks. I have a feeling they want real assets for Morrison, Hayes and White and will hold out through the weekend to get it.

I’m just not sure either Peterborough or Ottawa have the type of assets that make sense. Their bodies are either too valuable to move for OAs or not valuable enough to move the needle which makes picks better.

The deals may very well happen for picks but I just have a gutt feeling Hamilton wants real bodies which is why those players haven’t moved yet.

Anyone think that Barrie gave up a lot to get Tyler Savard?

 

[OMG67]

Anyone think that Barrie gave up a lot to get Tyler Savard?

Was an absolute steal TBH.

He’s likely an OA candidate next season as well. I think if he returns as an OA, Barrie could trade him next season for more than they traded to acquire him this season.

 

[Section5Petes]

How have you not learned? Theres a reason Othmann coming made them play worse. It just makes the good forwards play less and they cant get into a goove. They dont need even more top 9 forwards. They need 2-3 really good defenceman

We literally do not have a first line centre. Cannot split up Avon-Robertson-Lockhart so we have to get somebody to fill that spot. It’s Othmann-blank-Stillman

 

[Newbie Observer]

Stillman is not a first line winger. keep him where he is.... they need two fwds one def this week.

Stillman is not a first line winger. keep him where he is.... they need two fwds one def this week.

 

[Bra Wavers]

Stillman is not a first line winger. keep him where he is.... they need two fwds one def this week.

Stillman is not a first line winger. keep him where he is.... they need two fwds one def this week.

Saying it twice doesn’t make it right
The amount of space Stillman creates and # of turnovers he forces with his style will work just fine with Othmann & DBB/LM

 

[OMG67]

I agree with Stillman flanking whoever gets acquired to play with Othmann.

If it is an OA centre then it means you likely keep Lardis and JVV. If it is someone more high profile like Wright or DBB, you have to think one of those two go. If it is Lardis then who would Stillman play with on the 3rd line that would allow you to take advantage of his skill set? I think he would be wasted playing with Panwar. That was a big chip that was traded to acquire him. I think you need to give him an opportunity at least.

 

[ptbopete]

So trades are happening and we wonder "what the hell?" with Othmann looking good at WJC and getting more icetime than he does with the Petes am I right?.

Looking back to Othmann's last game with the Petes prior to WJC it was a loss at home Dec 8th vs Kitchener, it capped a four game losing streak and then it became a five game losing streak without Othmann vs London Dec 10th.

Including Dec 11th when they beat Sarnia on the road, the Petes are 5-0 with a goal differential of 29-7. We didn't have Zanetti after the 11th either.

We definitely need to find a way to have Othmann be a value added player and though someone said that we need to bring in an elite centre to do so, I say it's more about getting into Othmann's head to make the adjustments ... good players make shit happen regardless of who they play with. Quit waiting for chemistry and score some damn goals for us.

 

[User13452]

Most players seem to be going for 5 picks minimum and the Petes don’t have many to work with I keep going back to they should look to move Lardis for a boatload of picks and the use those picks to acquire multiple pieces but that’s just me

 

[OMG67]

Most players seem to be going for 5 picks minimum and the Petes don’t have many to work with I keep going back to they should look to move Lardis for a boatload of picks and the use those picks to acquire multiple pieces but that’s just me

Is there a better combination of players to trade to get the pick you need without using Lardis or JVV?

You have an OA pot open. The OA D-Man option doesn’t seem to be an issue. So many available. I’m not saying they’d be free but if you can move a player like Melee and/or Dezote, maybe they’d net enough pick capital to get a solid centre to play with Othmann as well as a solid OA D-Man like Keane? The centre wouldn’t be top shelf but how great does the centre need to be to play with Othmann? You have to think an experienced guy in a bad situation somewhere else could come in at a cheaper rate. That keeps the third line mostly intact. The depth of scoring could be better that the imbalance by trading Lardis?

 

[User13452]

Is there a better combination of players to trade to get the pick you need without using Lardis or JVV?

You have an OA pot open. The OA D-Man option doesn’t seem to be an issue. So many available. I’m not saying they’d be free but if you can move a player like Melee and/or Dezote, maybe they’d net enough pick capital to get a solid centre to play with Othmann as well as a solid OA D-Man like Keane? The centre wouldn’t be top shelf but how great does the centre need to be to play with Othmann? You have to think an experienced guy in a bad situation somewhere else could come in at a cheaper rate. That keeps the third line mostly intact. The depth of scoring could be better that the imbalance by trading Lardis?

I guess I need to see the OA move first and what the price is and what’s left over. I just think you could get at least what Barrie got for Haight by moving Lardis that would give the Petes way more ammo to work with

 

[User13452]

Is there a better combination of players to trade to get the pick you need without using Lardis or JVV?

You have an OA pot open. The OA D-Man option doesn’t seem to be an issue. So many available. I’m not saying they’d be free but if you can move a player like Melee and/or Dezote, maybe they’d net enough pick capital to get a solid centre to play with Othmann as well as a solid OA D-Man like Keane? The centre wouldn’t be top shelf but how great does the centre need to be to play with Othmann? You have to think an experienced guy in a bad situation somewhere else could come in at a cheaper rate. That keeps the third line mostly intact. The depth of scoring could be better that the imbalance by trading Lardis?

What about Lardis for Andrew Gibson that seems like a fair deal 1 for 1

 

[User13452]

Price is pretty much set for what it’ll cost for DBB again with the Harrison trade if it’s just picks that’s what the cost will be. If they add in a player or two it’ll be less picks. The petes aren’t in position to give up 6 picks for 1 guy unless they can move a player for a OA

 

[HockeyPops]

Was an absolute steal TBH.

He’s likely an OA candidate next season as well. I think if he returns as an OA, Barrie could trade him next season for more than they traded to acquire him this season.

Yeah, I think the Savard deal to Barrie was good for Barrie. Actually, pretty familiar with Holmes who just went to Windsor and knowing both Holmes and Savard I would have paid more for Savard. But what can you do.

 

[Bra Wavers]

This is not a trade rumour but a "good fit" possibility that has been mentioned by a few posters....

Morrison and Moore from Hamilton for JVV + picks

The idea of getting a hometown RHD like Moore is great, but I'm not convinced that a 6 man D unit with two 04s and an 05 is enough to get the job done come playoff time.
Updated lineup if a deal like this were to happen:

Othmann(L)(03) – Morrison (R)(OA) – Stillman (R)(03)
Avon (L)(03) – Robertson (R)(03) – Lockhart (R)(03)
Lardis (L)(05) – Dubois (R)(03) – Purdeller (R)(03)
Melee (L)(04) – Panwar (L)(OA) – Dezoete (L)(04)

Mayer (L)(03) – McCoy (R)(04)
Smith (L)(04) – Zanetti (L)(03)
Spearing (L)(OA) – Moore (R)(05)

Not seeing any updates on Zanetti injury either.
As long as it's not a long-term injury it should be fine.

 

[OMG67]

This is not a trade rumour but a "good fit" possibility that has been mentioned by a few posters....

Morrison and Moore from Hamilton for JVV + picks

The idea of getting a hometown RHD like Moore is great, but I'm not convinced that a 6 man D unit with two 04s and an 05 is enough to get the job done come playoff time.
Updated lineup if a deal like this were to happen:

Othmann(L)(03) – Morrison (R)(OA) – Stillman (R)(03)
Avon (L)(03) – Robertson (R)(03) – Lockhart (R)(03)
Lardis (L)(05) – Dubois (R)(03) – Purdeller (R)(03)
Melee (L)(04) – Panwar (L)(OA) – Dezoete (L)(04)

Mayer (L)(03) – McCoy (R)(04)
Smith (L)(04) – Zanetti (L)(03)
Spearing (L)(OA) – Moore (R)(05)

Not seeing any updates on Zanetti injury either.
As long as it's not a long-term injury it should be fine.

I know I’ve been hammered on this subject before but I need to say it again. Why on Gods Green Earth would Peterborough keep Panwar as an OA for the 4th line? I understand the obtuse logic behind it but when you are so short on tradable assets, why would anyone suggest trading Lardis for picks to get players when you could potentially replace Panwar with a player like Jesus for a 3rd and 5th and then maybe Melee and two 2nds and a 3rd for another OA centre that can play with Othmann and Stillman?

I jsut don’t get the infatuation with Panwar at the expense of parting with JVV or Lardis.


EDIT:
Or break up the top line..

Othmann - Avon - Stillman
Duarte - Robertson - Lockhart
Lardis - Michaud - Purdeller
Melee - Dubois - Dezoete

Mayer - McCoy
Smith - Zanetti
Speaking - Jesus

You could probably add Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. Duarte will cost a bit but he can’t be too much. Maybe you use Guo in one of the deals and stretch out the picks a bit. Include some 5ths and 6ths?

 

[Bra Wavers]

I know I’ve been hammered on this subject before but I need to say it again. Why on Gods Green Earth would Peterborough keep Panwar as an OA for the 4th line? I understand the obtuse logic behind it but when you are so short on tradable assets, why would anyone suggest trading Lardis for picks to get players when you could potentially replace Panwar with a player like Jesus for a 3rd and 5th and then maybe Melee and two 2nds and a 3rd for another OA centre that can play with Othmann and Stillman?

I jsut don’t get the infatuation with Panwar at the expense of parting with JVV or Lardis.

I understand your logic and it may go this way when all is said and done.......still lots of balls in the air all over the league.

 

[User13452]

I know I’ve been hammered on this subject before but I need to say it again. Why on Gods Green Earth would Peterborough keep Panwar as an OA for the 4th line? I understand the obtuse logic behind it but when you are so short on tradable assets, why would anyone suggest trading Lardis for picks to get players when you could potentially replace Panwar with a player like Jesus for a 3rd and 5th and then maybe Melee and two 2nds and a 3rd for another OA centre that can play with Othmann and Stillman?

I jsut don’t get the infatuation with Panwar at the expense of parting with JVV or Lardis.


EDIT:
Or break up the top line..

Othmann - Avon - Stillman
Duarte - Robertson - Lockhart
Lardis - Michaud - Purdeller
Melee - Dubois - Dezoete

Mayer - McCoy
Smith - Zanetti
Speaking - Jesus

You could probably add Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. Duarte will cost a bit but he can’t be too much. Maybe you use Guo in one of the deals and stretch out the picks a bit. Include some 5ths and 6ths?

With what picks they have like 6 to work with and only 4 are 2’s and threes’s

 

[OMG67]

With what picks they have like 6 to work with and only 4 are 2’s and threes’s

I think you can get Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. They are depth players but when added to a strong roster, they can become solid complimentary players. Panwar and Guo plus a 3rd, 5th and 6th may be enough to get that done. 2nd, 3rd, and 7th for Duarte?

It may not be completely accurate but I think it may be close. You’d still have a 2nd as a sweetener in there somewhere If necessary.

You keep both Lardis and JVV.

 

[User13452]

I think you can get Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. They are depth players but when added to a strong roster, they can become solid complimentary players. Panwar and Guo plus a 3rd, 5th and 6th may be enough to get that done. 2nd, 3rd, and 7th for Duarte?

It may not be completely accurate but I think it may be close. You’d still have a 2nd as a sweetener in there somewhere If necessary.

You keep both Lardis and JVV.

Meh that doesn’t move the needle much for me adding those 3 guys. duarte could have been had for free via waivers earlier. Jesus makes sense but if your gonna upgrade a OA it needs to be Spearing

 

[Bra Wavers]

I think you can get Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. They are depth players but when added to a strong roster, they can become solid complimentary players. Panwar and Guo plus a 3rd, 5th and 6th may be enough to get that done. 2nd, 3rd, and 7th for Duarte?

It may not be completely accurate but I think it may be close. You’d still have a 2nd as a sweetener in there somewhere If necessary.

You keep both Lardis and JVV.

This is why I think Oke is waiting.
He won't be getting Wright and maybe not Morrison or White at the prices they likely go for.
But as you mentioned above, there are a number of "consolation prizes" that will put the Petes in a solid position without mortgaging the future.

 

[OMG67]

Meh that doesn’t move the needle much for me adding those 3 guys. duarte could have been had for free via waivers earlier. Jesus makes sense but if your gonna upgrade a OA it needs to be Spearing

Jsut trying to keep your young guys. I think Lardis is a player now. If you trad him, you gotta replace him. JVV will hurt for years. If you trade JVV, you need a stud back without question. I think the only trade that makes sense for JVV is DelMastro based on Peterborough’s needs. Maybe Wright but base don the comments regarding Wright, JVV plus two 2nds and two 3rds may not be enough….which is silly to me but what do I know?

This is why I think Oke is waiting.
He won't be getting Wright and maybe not Morrison or White at the prices they likely go for.
But as you mentioned above, there are a number of "consolation prizes" that will put the Petes in a solid position without mortgaging the future.

And right at the deadline, those consolation prizes may become affordable if Peterborough is the only team knocking at the door. This is why I’ve said from day one of trading that it may make more sense for the Petes to take a back seat and scan the market. Don‘t be so eager to trade great young kids like Lardis and JVV.

Barrie still worries me a lot. That Savard trade was sickening when you see the returns for other players…. Absolutely gross.

 

[User13452]

This is why I think Oke is waiting.
He won't be getting Wright and maybe not Morrison or White at the prices they likely go for.
But as you mentioned above, there are a number of "consolation prizes" that will put the Petes in a solid position without mortgaging the future.

Consolation prizes aren’t gonna be good enough. Are you all in or half in? If your half in then sure maybe they can win a round or two but they need to keep up with what other teams are doing if they are serious about winning the league

 

[OMG67]

Consolation prizes aren’t gonna be good enough. Are you all in or half in? If your half in then sure maybe they can win a round or two but they need to keep up with what other teams are doing if they are serious about winning the league

Honest question. Are you willing to part with both Lardis and JVV? I think an all in would require it.

You’d have to trade one of the two in a big move and the other one would need to be traded mostly for picks to add to the one big move. Then add an impact OA with the left over picks.

I know as an Ottawa fan, I am wanoting Morrison and DelMastro. I think that combo fits Peterborough as well. I think the only way to get that done is by using both Lardis and JVV plus the last top 4 picks left int he Petes cupboard.

The returning team would be decimated.

 

[Bra Wavers]

I know I’ve been hammered on this subject before but I need to say it again. Why on Gods Green Earth would Peterborough keep Panwar as an OA for the 4th line? I understand the obtuse logic behind it but when you are so short on tradable assets, why would anyone suggest trading Lardis for picks to get players when you could potentially replace Panwar with a player like Jesus for a 3rd and 5th and then maybe Melee and two 2nds and a 3rd for another OA centre that can play with Othmann and Stillman?

I jsut don’t get the infatuation with Panwar at the expense of parting with JVV or Lardis.


EDIT:
Or break up the top line..

Othmann - Avon - Stillman
Duarte - Robertson - Lockhart
Lardis - Michaud - Purdeller
Melee - Dubois - Dezoete

Mayer - McCoy
Smith - Zanetti
Speaking - Jesus

You could probably add Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. Duarte will cost a bit but he can’t be too much. Maybe you use Guo in one of the deals and stretch out the picks a bit. Include some 5ths and 6ths?

Keep bad mouthing Panwar OMG, he just scored 1 minute into the game!

 

[NorthernVoice]

I think you can get Jesus and Michaud fairly cheap. They are depth players but when added to a strong roster, they can become solid complimentary players.

That's what Panwar already is.