Peterborough Petes 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[User13452]

hearing that as well.

Makes sense possibility he returns next year and then they flip him for a haul

 

[OHL4Life]

Makes sense possibility he returns next year and then they flip him for a haul

thats why itll be costly

 

[User13452]

thats why itll be costly

Won’t have many picks left to get a OA

 

[44 95 plus tax]

Won’t have many picks left to get a OA

Do you even have enough capital for a Beck trade?

 

[Bra Wavers]

The real problem for the Petes is that they only have 1 open OA spot so if they are going to add a center and a RHD one of them can't be an OA unless they upgrade Panwar or Spearing.

Let's assume they want to keep these two OAs......
then Oke probably adds an OA RHD (there are many options here) White/Jesus/Keane/Roger/Thompson
and an 03/04 center - DelBelBelluz?.....Wright too expensive IMO

I'm afraid with Barrie getting Clarke back + Sale? + trading for Wright (makes the most sense) the only way the Petes can be in the conversation for winning the East is if Oke gets creative/aggressive at this point.
- Upgrade one of their OAs
- trade Purdeller in a deal for Mintyukov
- make a deal for Beck who can be dealt next year to recover picks (would be hoping hard that Habs don't keep him next season)

All of these options will definitely cost players but IMO small or bargain basement adds won't get it done.
I'm confident that Rob Wilson and the coaching staff can get the most out of the roster no matter what it looks like but it may not matter depending on the makeup of Barrie after Jan. 10th.

 

[User13452]

The real problem for the Petes is that they only have 1 open OA spot so if they are going to add a center and a RHD one of them can't be an OA unless they upgrade Panwar or Spearing.

Let's assume they want to keep these two OAs......
then Oke probably adds an OA RHD (there are many options here) White/Jesus/Keane/Roger/Thompson
and an 03/04 center - DelBelBelluz?.....Wright too expensive IMO

I'm afraid with Barrie getting Clarke back + Sale? + trading for Wright (makes the most sense) the only way the Petes can be in the conversation for winning the East is if Oke gets creative/aggressive at this point.
- Upgrade one of their OAs
- trade Purdeller in a deal for Mintyukov
- make a deal for Beck who can be dealt next year to recover picks (would be hoping hard that Habs don't keep him next season)

All of these options will definitely cost players but IMO small or bargain basement adds won't get it done.
I'm confident that Rob Wilson and the coaching staff can get the most out of the roster no matter what it looks like but it may not matter depending on the makeup of Barrie after Jan. 10th.

Beck plus one of Jesus Keane makes sense

Do you even have enough capital for a Beck trade?

Should wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 2 roster players plus picks

 

[OMG67]

The real problem for the Petes is that they only have 1 open OA spot so if they are going to add a center and a RHD one of them can't be an OA unless they upgrade Panwar or Spearing.

Let's assume they want to keep these two OAs......
then Oke probably adds an OA RHD (there are many options here) White/Jesus/Keane/Roger/Thompson
and an 03/04 center - DelBelBelluz?.....Wright too expensive IMO

I'm afraid with Barrie getting Clarke back + Sale? + trading for Wright (makes the most sense) the only way the Petes can be in the conversation for winning the East is if Oke gets creative/aggressive at this point.
- Upgrade one of their OAs
- trade Purdeller in a deal for Mintyukov
- make a deal for Beck who can be dealt next year to recover picks (would be hoping hard that Habs don't keep him next season)

All of these options will definitely cost players but IMO small or bargain basement adds won't get it done.
I'm confident that Rob Wilson and the coaching staff can get the most out of the roster no matter what it looks like but it may not matter depending on the makeup of Barrie after Jan. 10th.

That’s why I was suggesting the Petes may want to hold off for a bit before they make a serious move…. And got rocks thrown at me for it…. I had a sense that Barrie MAY upset the apple cart and alter what we viewed as the most likely landscape.

 

[Bra Wavers]

Do you even have enough capital for a Beck trade?

The Petes probably get the "Port Hope discount"
The kid was born in Peterborough........come on home Owen!

 

[OMG67]

The Petes probably get the "Port Hope discount"
The kid was born in Peterborough........come on home Owen!

I don’t think JVV and two 2nd + two 3rd get it done for Beck. That one may need both JVV and Lardis.

You woudl most definitly get a ton back for him next season though. It would be a lot up front but the next value of the trade may be the overall best value of any player out there considering you ge them for a year plus the retune next season.

 

[dirty12]

That’s why I was suggesting the Petes may want to hold off for a bit before they make a serious move…. And got rocks thrown at me for it…. I had a sense that Barrie MAY upset the apple cart and alter what we viewed as the most likely landscape.

Hold off for … the ‘67s to drop out and sell because the colts are buying? I think Wright, Beck, Del Bel Belluz, potential surprise player available such as Lombardi, Morrison are all preferred over Tolnai by the Petes

 

[Square Corners]

The Petes probably get the "Port Hope discount"
The kid was born in Peterborough........come on home Owen!

I dont get this move at all. We dont need a forward. If the arguement was "Wright is the best player in the league" then I get it (I still dont agree( but if you can add the best player then I guess you do it. But if JVV is going to go for Beck. WHy not just get Del Mastro and have a complete team? Or Mintyukov?

 

[User13452]

I don’t think JVV and two 2nd + two 3rd get it done for Beck. That one may need both JVV and Lardis.

You woudl most definitly get a ton back for him next season though. It would be a lot up front but the next value of the trade may be the overall best value of any player out there considering you ge them for a year plus the retune next season.

No way both JVV and lardis I’d be shocked

 

[OMG67]

Hold off for … the ‘67s to drop out and sell because the colts are buying? I think Wright, Beck, Del Bel Belluz, potential surprise player available such as Lombardi, Morrison are all preferred over Tolnai by the Petes

When it potentially involves their last two 1st rounders and on paper they don’t match up to Barrie, it would be responsible to not dive straight into the shallow end. At least try to see how shallow it is before you break your neck

I wasn’t saying NOT to do anything. Just saying they should understand the landscape first and THEN make their moves. One huge piece or three good pieces for example.

With respect to Ottawa, if Ottawa wanted to, they could make two massive moves and one good OA move because they have the assets to do so. Petes don’t. The situation is different. Each team would need to approach this deadline differently based on their own individual situation.

Barrie may make two huge moves but teams may look at their resulting roster and go, “Meh. Nothing special.” And they may be right! All I am saying is understanding the landscape like knowing if Missy is selling and Barrie is buying before they move Lardis and JVV is prudent. Knowing where some of the big names they don’t get are going is also prudent.

 

[OMG67]

No way both JVV and lardis I’d be shocked

I don’t think a Beck deal is reasonable for Petes unless both were included. They don’t have the picks.

If it cost Beaudoin and three 2nds and three 3rds for Wright, how would Peterborough trade for two seasons of Beck without including both Lardis and JVV? Be realistic. What else could they do?

The realistic return for Beck if Barrie were to trade for him is Beaudoin plus four 2nds and four 3rds.

Beck vs Stillman? I think Beck is significantly higher valued right now than Stillman last year. the market is also more of a sellers market right now. Stillman was Pharand plus two 2nds and three 3rds. If Beck is more, a player like Melee is not going to tip the balance. Right? JVV is higher valued than Pharand though. But even so, Beck is a pretty big deal.

 

[User13452]

I don’t think a Beck deal is reasonable for Petes unless both were included. They don’t have the picks.

If it cost Beaudoin and three 2nds and three 3rds for Wright, how would Peterborough trade for two seasons of Beck without including both Lardis and JVV? Be realistic. What else could they do?

The realistic return for Beck if Barrie were to trade for him is Beaudoin plus four 2nds and four 3rds.

Beck vs Stillman? I think Beck is significantly higher valued right now than Stillman last year. the market is also more of a sellers market right now. Stillman was Pharand plus two 2nds and three 3rds. If Beck is more, a player like Melee is not going to tip the balance. Right? JVV is higher valued than Pharand though. But even so, Beck is a pretty big deal.

What about JVV plus dezoete and picks

 

[Section5Petes]

I don’t think a Beck deal is reasonable for Petes unless both were included. They don’t have the picks.

If it cost Beaudoin and three 2nds and three 3rds for Wright, how would Peterborough trade for two seasons of Beck without including both Lardis and JVV? Be realistic. What else could they do?

The realistic return for Beck if Barrie were to trade for him is Beaudoin plus four 2nds and four 3rds.

Beck vs Stillman? I think Beck is significantly higher valued right now than Stillman last year. the market is also more of a sellers market right now. Stillman was Pharand plus two 2nds and three 3rds. If Beck is more, a player like Melee is not going to tip the balance. Right?

I would love Beck but from a Missy standpoint, why would you choose Peterborough of all teams UNLESS Lardis and JVV are in the deal which I don't think the Petes should do. Beck is much better than Stillman was at this time last year and if he went for a 1st, 2 2nds, and 3 3rds, that should be a good point to build from, and include possibly more picks

 

[OMG67]

What about JVV plus dezoete and picks

If that didn’t get Shane Wright, then how would it get two years of Beck? I just don’t see it.

The picks component is the easier balancer. The Petes don’t have the picks so they need to use players. The only somewhat expendable players the Petes have are LArdis and JVV. The rest are fillers that don’t have much value. It’s not like they are going to trade from their high producing players group To make it work.. then it would be a sideways deal.

Arguably, they could trade Lardis for a sizeable picks package and then use SOME of those picks to add to JVV and then still have picks left over for an OA RHD. But it still means Lardis would be out the door in some manner.

EDIT:
Zidlicky went for what was essentially a 4th and 5th. You’d have to think that someone like Melee or DeZoete would be similar valued.

 

[Square Corners]

I would love Beck but from a Missy standpoint, why would you choose Peterborough of all teams UNLESS Lardis and JVV are in the deal which I don't think the Petes should do. Beck is much better than Stillman was at this time last year and if he went for a 1st, 2 2nds, and 3 3rds, that should be a good point to build from, and include possibly more picks

And?? Theres no way its both

 

[OHL Fan]

A buddy of mine was watching Petes game last night and they had a visual stat:

Avon- Lockhart- Robertson 11 pts total for all 3 players in 5 games prior to WJ
Avon- Lockhart- Robertson 41 pts total for all 3 players in 5 games since WJ started

Very interesting.

 

[dirty12]

When it potentially involves their last two 1st rounders and on paper they don’t match up to Barrie, it would be responsible to not dive straight into the shallow end. At least try to see how shallow it is before you break your neck

I wasn’t saying NOT to do anything. Just saying they should understand the landscape first and THEN make their moves. One huge piece or three good pieces for example.

With respect to Ottawa, if Ottawa wanted to, they could make two massive moves and one good OA move because they have the assets to do so. Petes don’t. The situation is different. Each team would need to approach this deadline differently based on their own individual situation.

Barrie may make two huge moves but teams may look at their resulting roster and go, “Meh. Nothing special.” And they may be right! All I am saying is understanding the landscape like knowing if Missy is selling and Barrie is buying before they move Lardis and JVV is prudent. Knowing where some of the big names they don’t get are going is also prudent.

I still don’t get your point about the landscape. At forward only an impact centre makes sense for the adding Petes.

 

[User13452]

If that didn’t get Shane Wright, then how would it get two years of Beck? I just don’t see it.

The picks component is the easier balancer. The Petes don’t have the picks so they need to use players. The only somewhat expendable players the Petes have are LArdis and JVV. The rest are fillers that don’t have much value. It’s not like they are going to trade from their high producing players group To make it work.. then it would be a sideways deal.

Arguably, they could trade Lardis for a sizeable picks package and then use SOME of those picks to add to JVV and then still have picks left over for an OA RHD. But it still means Lardis would be out the door in some manner.

EDIT:
Zidlicky went for what was essentially a 4th and 5th. You’d have to think that someone like Melee or DeZoete would be similar valued.

They should move lardis in a separate deal and get more picks

 

[OMG67]

I still don’t get your point about the landscape. At forward only an impact centre makes sense for the adding Petes.

It depends on the combination and the opportunity cost. The impact Centre could be an OA like Morrison or a high cost player like Wright. The trade value would conceivably be much different. They could potentially get Morrison and Grushnikov for Purdeller and Lardis. They keep JVV and their picks. They don’t sell the entire farm because they don’t need to.

Conversely, if Barrie gets Savard, Wright and DelMastro as well as the return of Clarke and the addition of Sale plus maybe another key player of some kind, it would mean the Petes may need to look at different options To keep pace. Once they make a big deal for a player like DelBelBelluz before the other dominos fall, it makes it harder to adjust.

That’s my point. The Petes aren’t int he drivers seat. They don’t have the ability to drive the deadline market. They can only respond to it. Barrie is in the biggest truck driving the deadline trade market. They aren’t affected by what the Petes do.

I’m not saying the Petes should sell. I am saying the market adjusts and the moves get made. Petes have very few assets available and need to use them the best way they can. In your opinion, that is an impact Centre. Fine. But that doesn’t mean they won’t need other pieces based on what happens between now and Tuesday. They may get their impact centre, devoid themselves of Lardis and JVV to do it and still not stack up on paper.

Games aren’t won on paper but the best teams int he OHL on paper most of the time do win int he end.

 

[Section5Petes]

And?? Theres no way its both

i guess time will tell. I find it hard to believe that it would be both too, Oke wouldn't do that

 

[OMG67]

i guess time will tell. I find it hard to believe that it would be both too, Oke wouldn't do that

Is it possible he moves Lardis for picks and then uses those picks plus JVV to acquire Beck? Then uses the rest of his picks to acquire an OA RHD?

Lardis and JVV still gone but not in the one trade but three.

That is essentially what Guelph did trading Bertuzzi and Merkley and then using assets to acquire all the guys they ended up with.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

If it’s DelMastro and Beck coming back - I don’t think a JVV, Lardis swap would be that bad.

This is just me speculating - although I have heard Beck to PBO.