Peterborough Petes 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[dirty12]

It depends on the combination and the opportunity cost. The impact Centre could be an OA like Morrison or a high cost player like Wright. The trade value would conceivably be much different. They could potentially get Morrison and Grushnikov for Purdeller and Lardis. They keep JVV and their picks. They don’t sell the entire farm because they don’t need to.

Conversely, if Barrie gets Savard, Wright and DelMastro as well as the return of Clarke and the addition of Sale plus maybe another key player of some kind, it would mean the Petes may need to look at different options To keep pace. Once they make a big deal for a player like DelBelBelluz before the other dominos fall, it makes it harder to adjust.

That’s my point. The Petes aren’t int he drivers seat. They don’t have the ability to drive the deadline market. They can only respond to it. Barrie is in the biggest truck driving the deadline trade market. They aren’t affected by what the Petes do.

I’m not saying the Petes should sell. I am saying the market adjusts and the moves get made. Petes have very few assets available and need to use them the best way they can. In your opinion, that is an impact Centre. Fine. But that doesn’t mean they won’t need other pieces based on what happens between now and Tuesday. They may get their impact centre, devoid themselves of Lardis and JVV to do it and still not stack up on paper.

Games aren’t won on paper but the best teams int he OHL on paper most of the time do win int he end.

Dude, ONE centre completes the Pete’s forward group; the ‘67s or colts can empty their vaults to match if they choose.
After that, whatever the Petes can realistically do to get a 1st or 2nd pairing RD; they should

 

[OMG67]

Dude, ONE centre completes the Pete’s forward group; the ‘67s can empty their vaults to match if they choose.

What does it do to their blueline?

 

[dirty12]

What does it do to their blueline?

Give a few seconds for editing

 

[User13452]

i guess time will tell. I find it hard to believe that it would be both too, Oke wouldn't do that

Oke wouldn’t move lardis and jvv plus picks for beck

If it’s DelMastro and Beck coming back - I don’t think a JVV, Lardis swap would be that bad.

This is just me speculating - although I have heard Beck to PBO.

Now that’s something that I could see oke moving both for.

 

[dirty12]

What does it do to their blueline?

the most pressing need and move to improve the most imo, is a centre for Othmann

 

[Section5Petes]

If it’s DelMastro and Beck coming back - I don’t think a JVV, Lardis swap would be that bad.

This is just me speculating - although I have heard Beck to PBO.

Now that is a trade I would definitely do

 

[User13452]

Now that is a trade I would definitely do

Not sure how this would work probably a pipe dream but Beck plus hardie who can replace lardis who can be moved for picks.

 

[OMG67]

the most pressing need and move to improve the most imo, is a centre for Othmann

In that, we agree to a point. I’m not 100% sure that is the case. They have three guys on their first line right now that can all play centre. They don’t NEED to bulk that line up. They could go find a more reasonably priced winger and reasonably priced RH D-Man and still be mostly where they want to be and in the aggregate, potentially better.

If they were to throw the kitchen sink at a centre and are not able to tinker to fill some gaps on the back end, they may not be as good as they could be as a team.

That is all I am saying. And it isn’t always about putting together the best possible team. It isnt’ self improvement. Sometimes you have to match up to your opponent. If the Petes feel like you do that they are fine everywhere else, don’t need to add a 3rd OA and are wiling to trade JVV plus their picks to acquire the centre then so be it. If they feel them doing that stacks them up against whatever any other team can do then I support that decision. All good. But if they make that move and then come Monday after they see other trades they didn’t anticipate and slump back and say, “Is there any way we can snag a D-Man” and have no assets left to do it, that’s the problem I am pointing to. That’s all.

Teams like Barrie and Ottawa have the flexibility with the sheer number of picks to add secondary pieces to fill gaps created by other teams making huge moves.

 

[dirty12]

In that, we agree to a point. I’m not 100% sure that is the case. They have three guys on their first line right now that can all play centre. They don’t NEED to bulk that line up. They could go find a more reasonably priced winger and reasonably priced RH D-Man and still be mostly where they want to be and in the aggregate, potentially better.

If they were to throw the kitchen sink at a centre and are not able to tinker to fill some gaps on the back end, they may not be as good as they could be as a team.

That is all I am saying. And it isn’t always about putting together the best possible team. It isnt’ self improvement. Sometimes you have to match up to your opponent. If the Petes feel like you do that they are fine everywhere else, don’t need to add a 3rd OA and are wiling to trade JVV plus their picks to acquire the centre then so be it. If they feel them doing that stacks them up against whatever any other team can do then I support that decision. All good. But if they make that move and then come Monday after they see other trades they didn’t anticipate and slump back and say, “Is there any way we can snag a D-Man” and have no assets left to do it, that’s the problem I am pointing to. That’s all.

Teams like Barrie and Ottawa have the flexibility with the sheer number of picks to add secondary pieces to fill gaps created by other teams making huge moves.

The 0-5 slump followed by 7-0 run makes it clear Avon-Robertson-Lockhart should not be broken up.
The secondary piece the Petes could use is an OA RD.

 

[OMG67]

The 0-5 slump followed by 7-0 run makes it clear Avon-Robertson-Lockhart should not be broken up.
The secondary piece the Petes could use is an OA RD.

Serious question…

If they keep that line together then why does Othmann need an Impact centre to play with? If that is the 2nd line, why can’t it be a point per game type guy that may get elevated to an 80 point player with Othmann? Why does it need to be someone that comes with a price tag that is just ridiculous?

I can understand Ottawa making that move. They lack an Impact Centre. They don’t have a stud impact line. They are balanced and looking to elevate a line. Peyes would technically be piecing together a 2nd line.

 

[armchaircoaches]

So if Wright is indeed going to Barrie where do the Petes pivot to?

Hayes n white for panwar n dezotte

So if Wright is indeed going to Barrie where do the Petes pivot to?

 

[Newbie Observer]

They are not giving up lardis AND VV for Beck. Too much, considering going rate for draft picks for players of their calibre. I can see VV and picks. IT will all depend on what Sarnia (if rumours are true) will give up for DelMAstro. He will set the price.

Maybe Wright is too expensicve

 

[dirty12]

Serious question…

If they keep that line together then why does Othmann need an Impact centre to play with? If that is the 2nd line, why can’t it be a point per game type guy that may get elevated to an 80 point player with Othmann? Why does it need to be someone that comes with a price tag that is just ridiculous?

I can understand Ottawa making that move. They lack an Impact Centre. They don’t have a stud impact line. They are balanced and looking to elevate a line. Peyes would technically be piecing together a 2nd line.

The Petes will go a half period 0/1 on PP and without a goal, then be too tempted to mix their best (individual) into the top line.
Just get the centre.

 

[OMG67]

The Petes will go a half period 0/1 on PP and without a goal, then be too tempted to mix their best (individual) into the top line.
Just get the centre.

No. I’m not saying don’t get a centre. What I am saying is there is a marginal upgrade between centres. If Erie were to make Bressette available at a reasonable price and then they snagged Keane out of Niagara and it cost them the picks they get from Lardis and maybe someone like DeZoete and they keep JVV then isn’t that a better outcome? Bressette centring Othmann and Stillman would be a good second line.

 

[OHL4Life]

Hayes n white for panwar n dezotte

close, hear petes Hamilton May have someone dive for 0As

 

[Section5Petes]

close, hear petes Hamilton May have someone dive for 0As

are you saying Hayes, White for Panwar, DeZoete is close?

 

[Section7fan]

I think a Morrison & White deal would be best. Let others completely blow their brains out on Wright.

 

[dirty12]

No. I’m not saying don’t get a centre. What I am saying is there is a marginal upgrade between centres. If Erie were to make Bressette available at a reasonable price and then they snagged Keane out of Niagara and it cost them the picks they get from Lardis and maybe someone like DeZoete and they keep JVV then isn’t that a better outcome? Bressette centring Othmann and Stillman would be a good second line.

Bressette is out long term, I think; and, the difference between DBB & Bressette is not marginal.
If the Petes go the cheaper route which may be ok, why trade Lardis? Move the picks, and some of Dezoete, Meelee, Guo, Leskovar, …

 

[OMG67]

Bressette is out long term, I think.
If the Petes go the cheaper route which may be ok, why trade Lardis? Move the picks, and some of Dezoete, Meelee, Guo, Leskovar, …

Dirty, you know as well as I do that those four players are relatively worthless as deadline players. At best they are depth guys that don’t project to be anything higher than 3rd liners on average teams. Maybe Guo might get a real sniff but not like he’d net them a 2nd. Maybe a 3rd. Melee the same. Maybe a 3rd. Zidlicky, who I’d consider higher valued, went for a 4th and 5th. I think it is unrealistic to think that any of those four player move the needle on anything.

Hypothetically speaking, maybe Melee or Guo could snag a straight up deal for a guy like Jesus or Keane. Maybe.

 

[Bra Wavers]

Gavin White and Avery Hayes are not in the lineup for Hamilton tonight….

 

[armchaircoaches]

Gavin White and Avery Hayes are not in the lineup for Hamilton tonight….
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Told ya

 

[Section7fan]

Gavin White and Avery Hayes are not in the lineup for Hamilton tonight….
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I like Hayes but he’s a winger. We need a centre

 

[dirty12]

Dirty, you know as well as I do that those four players are relatively worthless as deadline players. At best they are depth guys that don’t project to be anything higher than 3rd liners on average teams. Maybe Guo might get a real sniff but not like he’d net them a 2nd. Maybe a 3rd. Melee the same. Maybe a 3rd. Zidlicky, who I’d consider higher valued, went for a 4th and 5th. I think it is unrealistic to think that any of those four player move the needle on anything.

Hypothetically speaking, maybe Melee or Guo could snag a straight up deal for a guy like Jesus or Keane. Maybe.

I think you’re locked into ppg is the only measurable thing for hockey players.

I like Hayes but he’s a winger. We need a centre

Stillman can play centre, and probably look good doing it between Hayes and Othmann. But which OA traded in that scenario; Panwar?

 

[User13452]

I think you’re locked into ppg is the only measurable thing for hockey players.

Stillman can play centre, and probably look good doing it between Hayes and Othmann. But which OA traded in that scenario; Panwar?

Hopefully spearing but doubtful

 

[User13452]

Hearing panwar is being dealt