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9 games with the Leafs and some of you on here are already making bold (40 point 3rd line, 50 - 60 point 2nd line C) predictions...
I think he has done a valiant job so far, but what happens when Bozak and Bolland return?
Let's get real here. C'mon.
I think he has done a valiant job so far, but what happens when Bozak and Bolland return?
Let's get real here. C'mon.
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44 is Rielly good
Yeah, it's real bold saying a former 1st round pick (high first round too) that's only 22 years old looks like he could be a decent 2nd/3rd line C... How is calling a guy that's been just under ppg in the AHL (Kadri was around ppg in the AHL) a potential 40-60pt C ridiculous like you're claiming?
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I think a perfect storm is brewing for Holland to be very insulated to take on a center role with no pressure next year:
JVR(4.25) Kadri(2.9) Kessel(8)
Lupul (5.25) Holland(2.35) Clarkson(5.25)
D'Amigo(0.675) Bolland(3.5) Kulemin(3.5)
McLaren(0.7) McClemment(2) Ashton(0.7)
Orr(0.925)
Phaneuf(7) Girardi(5)
Gardiner(2.5) Franson(3.5)
Gunnarsson(3.15) Tanev(2)
Percy(1.076)
Reimer(4)
Bernier(2.9)
Team Payroll(71.126)
Salary Cap(71.5)
Cap Space(0.374)
Out:
Liles for a 3rd
Raymond for a 2nd
Bozak + Fraser for Tanev + 2nd
We need to free up some cash upfront to spend on the back end. Bolland can step in and play 2C anyways if Holland is feeling the pressure. McKegg/Gauthier/AHLcallup(like a Smith) can fill in for injury. If we are strong on the Wing/Defence/Goaltending and have a solid back up plan for centers, I don't see why we can't let Holland get a chance to thrive, he looks good enough for the opportunity.
JVR(4.25) Kadri(2.9) Kessel(8)
Lupul (5.25) Holland(2.35) Clarkson(5.25)
D'Amigo(0.675) Bolland(3.5) Kulemin(3.5)
McLaren(0.7) McClemment(2) Ashton(0.7)
Orr(0.925)
Phaneuf(7) Girardi(5)
Gardiner(2.5) Franson(3.5)
Gunnarsson(3.15) Tanev(2)
Percy(1.076)
Reimer(4)
Bernier(2.9)
Team Payroll(71.126)
Salary Cap(71.5)
Cap Space(0.374)
Out:
Liles for a 3rd
Raymond for a 2nd
Bozak + Fraser for Tanev + 2nd
We need to free up some cash upfront to spend on the back end. Bolland can step in and play 2C anyways if Holland is feeling the pressure. McKegg/Gauthier/AHLcallup(like a Smith) can fill in for injury. If we are strong on the Wing/Defence/Goaltending and have a solid back up plan for centers, I don't see why we can't let Holland get a chance to thrive, he looks good enough for the opportunity.
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This doesnt get accepted in any way shape or form. Youd be better with Franson. Plus, Leafs won't trade Bozak after just signing him. Thats bad business.
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Grabs, Connolly, etc. Leafs have been moving their top 6 centers after signing them for a few years now...
Those are two examples, and Connolly wasn't moved, I guess technically he was put in the ahl, but we didn't trade him his contract expired. Grabovski was indeed moved out shortly after his contract yes, but I doubt we move Bozak.
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He needs to earn it. So far he has. I take it he will continue to get ice time in some way until Bozak comes back (which will be a while).
Like most kids, he needs to be the weakest link on his line to succeed with relative consistency.
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Bumping this, I am expecting lots of "r.i.p. 2nd rounder, Blacker is a stud and I always had faith in him(yeah right)" responses.
But I think he has looked ok, not amazing, and ultimately I want him on the first line with the Marlies, hopefully with Leivo. See what chemistry the two can develop. He does look like a poor man's Jeff Carter, but with questionable finish around the net.
I think he would be down there already if Bolland and Bozak were healthy.
But I think he has looked ok, not amazing, and ultimately I want him on the first line with the Marlies, hopefully with Leivo. See what chemistry the two can develop. He does look like a poor man's Jeff Carter, but with questionable finish around the net.
I think he would be down there already if Bolland and Bozak were healthy.
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I've been very critical of giving up a probably 2nd for him, but I have to admit that statistically he's been decent so far, at least compared to our other forwards.
- 3rd after Kessel/JVR in individual points per 60 mins 5v5.
- Team scores 0.872 GF20 with him 5v5, not too far below Kadri's 0.874 and Bozak's 0.982 (if Bozak didn't get all his ice time on the top line I bet he'd be below Holland here).
- GA20 at 5v5 is 0.582, best of all centers other than McClement.
- 6th on team in HARO (offense rating), although Kadri/Bozak/Bolland are all above him.
- 2nd best C after McClement in HARD (defense rating).
Caveats are he's played somewhat sheltered minutes, and these stats are highly team dependent. But they at least show that there's a chance he could be a solid contributor. I think this is consistent with what we've seen from subjective analysis from watching him he is obviously not a game breaker, but he hasn't been a liability either. Perhaps we can eventually either get the 2nd back, or trade Kadri for for an even better return and use Holland as a replacement.
I think it's really important that we give him a legitimate shot on this team though. Otherwise it's another asset gone to waste, as if we bury him in the minors we're likely not going to get back anything more than a mid-late pick.
- 3rd after Kessel/JVR in individual points per 60 mins 5v5.
- Team scores 0.872 GF20 with him 5v5, not too far below Kadri's 0.874 and Bozak's 0.982 (if Bozak didn't get all his ice time on the top line I bet he'd be below Holland here).
- GA20 at 5v5 is 0.582, best of all centers other than McClement.
- 6th on team in HARO (offense rating), although Kadri/Bozak/Bolland are all above him.
- 2nd best C after McClement in HARD (defense rating).
Caveats are he's played somewhat sheltered minutes, and these stats are highly team dependent. But they at least show that there's a chance he could be a solid contributor. I think this is consistent with what we've seen from subjective analysis from watching him he is obviously not a game breaker, but he hasn't been a liability either. Perhaps we can eventually either get the 2nd back, or trade Kadri for for an even better return and use Holland as a replacement.
I think it's really important that we give him a legitimate shot on this team though. Otherwise it's another asset gone to waste, as if we bury him in the minors we're likely not going to get back anything more than a mid-late pick.
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I'm not quite all in on Holland yet, looks like he is on pace for us to pay a 2nd rd pick for him.
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Next Year's Lineup
Jvr - Kadri - Kessel
Lupul - Holland - Raymond
Ashton - Bolland - Clarkson
D'amigo - Mcclement - Orr
Phaneuf - _____
Gardiner - Franson
Rielly - Liles
Bernier
Reimer
Extras;Mclaren, Devane, Fraser
Trade Bozak + Gunnarson for upgrades
Jvr - Kadri - Kessel
Lupul - Holland - Raymond
Ashton - Bolland - Clarkson
D'amigo - Mcclement - Orr
Phaneuf - _____
Gardiner - Franson
Rielly - Liles
Bernier
Reimer
Extras;Mclaren, Devane, Fraser
Trade Bozak + Gunnarson for upgrades
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