Per Friedman: Coyotes players told team moving to Utah starting next season (Mod warning post #50)

[BB79]

Money talks

Mine said it hates me and it's leaving

 

[Matias Maccete]

These threads have 2 kinds of posts that always make me chuckle:

The "think of the other poor billionaire owners revenue sharing boo hoo hoo"

And the" with all due respect to Coyotes fans who I really feel for, I hope your team leaves and Arizona isn't and never will be a hockey market"

Lots of both here. Thanks for laughs! And remember, a portion of each dollar you spend on your beloved franchise goes to the Coyotes.

 

[Half Clapper]

There are probably thousands of cities in the USA that would fill any arena with screaming fans for a playoff game.

Being a hockey market is about showing up during a rebuild, a teardown and a poor season in addition to the big games.

Did Chicago, Carolina, both Florida teams and Pittsburgh have sell-out crowds during their hard times? I can remember their rinks being pretty much empty. Also, the Sharks are barely getting any fans now, but back when they were good, they had the loudest rink in the league.

Fans only show up when their team is good unless you're from the likes of Edmonton, Toronto, or Montreal. Pittsburgh was on the verge of being bankrupt and relocating after having no fan support from 82-84. I don't think anybody would say Pittsburgh is a bad hockey market today.

 

[1989]

Lots of both here. Thanks for laughs! And remember, a portion of each dollar you spend on your beloved franchise goes to the Coyotes.

This part of your post just reminds of me of all the donation campaigns for underdeveloped countries and the like.

"Remember, your $2 pledge helps feed a village. Donate today."

 

[SjMilhouse]

Ryan Smith come on down. This is Utahs moment: the Salt Lake City Nephites

 

[Ford Prefect]

There are probably thousands of cities in the USA that would fill any arena with screaming fans for a playoff game.

Did Chicago, Carolina, both Florida teams and Pittsburgh have sell-out crowds during their hard times? I can remember their rinks being pretty much empty. Also, the Sharks are barely getting any fans now, but back when they were good, they had the loudest rink in the league.

Fans only show up when their team is good unless you're from the likes of Edmonton, Toronto, or Montreal. Pittsburgh was on the verge of being bankrupt and relocating after having no fan support from 82-84. I don't think anybody would say Pittsburgh is a bad hockey market today.

Nevermind the Jim Balsillie attempt to purchase and relocate them in October 2006.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Lots of both here. Thanks for laughs! And remember, a portion of each dollar you spend on your beloved franchise goes to the Coyotes.

Wait, does that include gambling? If so I may finally have to stop -- there's no sense wasting that money on the Coyotes.

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

Can this failed experiment end merciful now?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I know this has been a big mess for awhile now, but just a friendly reminder to keep it on topic and respectful.

For clarification, respectful to whom? Because you’re right, it has been a shit show for awhile and deserves to be discussed as one.

 

[Dead Coyote]

There are probably thousands of cities in the USA that would fill any arena with screaming fans for a playoff game.

Being a hockey market is about showing up during a rebuild, a teardown and a poor season in addition to the big games.

So Arizona is a great hockey market then, and Chicago is a garbage one, got it.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Bruins fans come from 40-50 miles north, south and west of Boston. At game time traffic you are talking a minimum of an hour and more often 90 minutes to 2 hours.

Now look at the traffic in DC to see the Caps.

Then for fun, try LA.

Or any other city. It's laughable to say that a team failed to draw because of traffic when just about every other team has similar or worse traffic issues and not good public transportation infrastructure.

There's literally a Kings fan like 5 comments up who says it's better to drive in LA than it is in Glendale, lmfao.

What I don’t think I have made clear is I am not placing value judgment on fandom. I am not saying that people are “bad fans” because they have better things to do. I don’t blame you or anyone else for how they spend their hard earned money or quality time with family/friends.

If the people of Arizona want to spend their time/money doing other things. I don’t blame them at all. Personally I go to 1 game a year in Toronto. It may be sacrilegious here. But I prefer to watch on tv. I prefer the commentary, don’t want to do the drive/train and half the time the team plays like donkeys. That doesn’t make me a bad fan. I choose my level of engagement. But if the rink isn’t full. I can’t complain or expect a team stay.

If the residents of Tempe don’t want a rink (whether you or I think they should) they don’t. That’s their call.

I know that 30 years is more than enough time to build a franchise up and develop interest. Lots of teams have done it and played terrible and went through bad teams. The fans still were able to support them enough. Other teams didn’t and lost franchises. It’s just business

We opened up a target. Not enough people went. It closed. Just like any other business.

There isn’t enough demand for the supply. This isn’t different. It’s not a moral/value judgement or an indictment on your personal fandom. It’s just reality

30 years with one owner is a lot different than 30 years with 5 owners.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Forbes' most recent NHL valuations had ARI @ 500M


Is this just Meruelo looking for a sucker to see if he can get out and make a quick buck? Was Forbes off in their valuation?

Forbes think that Mullet Arena has a capacity of +17000 and that ''their'' arena adds to the value of the franchise. I wouldn't believe anything Forbes has to say.

 

[ItWasJustified]

I would love to see the Whale return, but I have a feeling if they move they're going to Atlanta. The news of this Atlanta group popping up suddenly sounding serious about bring hockey back there is a little too coincidental to me. Probably a lot of stuff going on in the background that we're in the dark about

They're not moving a western team to the east while there are 16 teams in each conference.

 

[archangel2]

Lets see what happens now. I am more concerned with the Guiteraz interview is sort of giving another meaning to what is going on

 

[Dr Pepper]

These threads have 2 kinds of posts that always make me chuckle:

The "think of the other poor billionaire owners revenue sharing boo hoo hoo"

And the" with all due respect to Coyotes fans who I really feel for, I hope your team leaves and Arizona isn't and never will be a hockey market"

Lots of both here. Thanks for laughs! And remember, a portion of each dollar you spend on your beloved franchise goes to the Coyotes.

That's kind of depressing, once you think about it.

Dunno if I'd brag about it either, but hey, you do you.

 

[JianYang]

Another chapter in the Neverending story of the phoenix/glendale/whatever coyotes

Wake me up when we finally hit the end, whether that means they stay or go.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

"Arizona is a financialy stable market."- Gary Bettman.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Forbes think that Mullet Arena has a capacity of +17000 and that ''their'' arena adds to the value of the franchise. I wouldn't believe anything Forbes has to say.
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Weird they say 17k, when the very first line on Arizona says,
The Coyotes signed a lease to play in 5,000 seat Mullett arena for three years beginning with the 2022-23 season.

 

[Space umpire]

I think it’s to push the city to approve the arena plan. Nobody there (government officials and the movers/shakers) wants them to leave. The local folks who vote to approve any arena just don’t want it being built too close to them.
From 05 to the Covid year the Yotes lost 183 million. 90% covered by revenue sharing. (Average) 11mill per team, about 350k per year per team
In the Covid year the league paid out 30 million but the league also kept the recapture money.

The owner has lost over 20 million over the same period.

And the team actually had positive cash flow last year. (Go check).
The average ticket price is 2.5 times higher meaning 5500 fans there equals the ticket revenue of about 13500 in Glendale.

 

[DustyDangler]

There are probably thousands of cities in the USA that would fill any arena with screaming fans for a playoff game.

Did Chicago, Carolina, both Florida teams and Pittsburgh have sell-out crowds during their hard times? I can remember their rinks being pretty much empty. Also, the Sharks are barely getting any fans now, but back when they were good, they had the loudest rink in the league.

Fans only show up when their team is good unless you're from the likes of Edmonton, Toronto, or Montreal. Pittsburgh was on the verge of being bankrupt and relocating after having no fan support from 82-84. I don't think anybody would say Pittsburgh is a bad hockey market today.

We will find out how good a hockey market Pittsburgh is when Crosby retires and they have a mostly bare cupboard. When it happens, I expect to see similar attendance as SJ or even worse, similar attendance as past Pitt eras when they weren't given all the 1OA love.

So Arizona is a great hockey market then, and Chicago is a garbage one, got it.

Precisely...95% capacity. It used to be 100% when the bandwagon was rolling. Would likely be sub 90% without Bedard.

 

[DustyDangler]

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And the team actually had positive cash flow last year. (Go check).
The average ticket price is 2.5 times higher meaning 5500 fans there equals the ticket revenue of about 13500 in Glendale.

And this is why people should stop losing their minds over a small, temporary, arena.

 

[Bondurant]

This is the student section. The bleachers allow more seating. It's supposed to have a different vibe than just sitting in a seat. There is many things to point out but this is not one of them. Since this guy works for Sportsnet, I'd wage this is a deliberate misrepresentation of the situation. He knows this is a student section.

 

[Golden_Jet]

From 05 to the Covid year the Yotes lost 183 million. 90% covered by revenue sharing. (Average) 11mill per team, about 350k per year per team

they now list how much they got from revenue sharing.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

"Arizona is a financialy stable market."- Gary Bettman.

What he meant to say is, "Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the United States, and I don't want falling flat on my face there to be my legacy."

 

[Leonardo87]

For clarification, respectful to whom? Because you’re right, it has been a shit show for awhile and deserves to be discussed as one.

Respectful to the Arizona fans. Discuss the topic to your heart’s content but don’t flame or troll fans.