Penticton YoungStars Tourney (VAN/EDM/CGY/WPG) - Part 2

[McPuritania]

Justin Schultz was damn near 1.5 PPG in the AHL.

Yeah, but he's an Oiler. Yuck!

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

And Schultz is an NHL player. Sure, he hasn't done as well as everyone had hoped but he's still a #4 offensive defensive man/ PP specialist

 

[DraberlyakMcHallkins*]

And Schultz is an NHL player. Sure, he hasn't done as well as everyone had hoped but he's still a #4 offensive defensive man/ PP specialist

if you're projected to be a #4D, you're not exactly a top prospect

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I've told you this before - the Flames don't have an AHL player like Brad Hunt to take offensive zonestarts and QB the powerplay. Hunt can't make an impact at the NHL level, but he's a healthy Kris Letang in the AHL. Guys like Simpson and Oesterle see more defensive zone time and less powerplay time because Hunt is there.

Because they don't have a Brad Hunt, it opens up opportunity for guys like Culkin.

No we don't have 27 year old career AHL stop gaps (Eg. Billins, Hunt). Because we have young 20/21 year old players that can handle top line minutes.. So we can let them develop with big minutes.
Do we lose more? Yeah. But at least we are playing guys with chances to become top four defencemen. Not some old dime-a-dozen journeyman.

 

[McFlyingV]

Marincin put up 30 points in 69 games as an AHL rookie (0.43ppg) and it never translated to the NHL. I think you guys are going to be really disappointed if you think all or even half of those 4 d prospects become impact NHLers

 

[JacobimMugatu]

Marincin put up 30 points in 69 games as an AHL rookie (0.43ppg) and it never translated to the NHL. I think you guys are going to be really disappointed if you think all or even half of those 4 d prospects become impact NHLers

Marincin turned 23 this year lol

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Everyone should just bow down to the Great Edmonton First Rounders and concede defeat. All our non first round defenseman are replacement level just because theirs are.

 

[McFlyingV]

Marincin turned 23 this year lol

Your point? He put up those numbers when he was 20

 

[ChaoticOrange]

And Schultz is an NHL player. Sure, he hasn't done as well as everyone had hoped but he's still a #4 offensive defensive man/ PP specialist

he was scoring at three times the rate of the likes of Culkin and Kulak, and hasn't fully established himself as a top 4 defenceman. Development isn't linear and you can't look at a guy like Kulak and say he's better than Oesterle, Simpson, Davidson, etc because he's scored a few more points on the back end for a much worse team.

 

[McPuritania]

Everyone should just bow down to the Great Edmonton First Rounders and concede defeat. All our non first round defenseman are replacement level just because theirs are.

No, no, no. Everyone should bow down to Calgary's incredible prospect depth. Every one of them is going to be bloody amazing!

 

[McFlyingV]

Everyone should just bow down to the Great Edmonton First Rounders and concede defeat. All our non first round defenseman are replacement level just because theirs are.

Please, you are the most guilty person of overhyping your prospects. Yeah its ok to have some optimism about your depth prospects, much like we do about guys like Yakimov, Slepyshev, Chase, Platzer, Laleggia etc. But the way you talk about yours is as if its almost a guarantee that they will all be top 6-9 forwards and top 4 D. Sure they all have potential, but these type of prospects bust more often than they succeed.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Everyone should just bow down to the Great Edmonton First Rounders and concede defeat. All our non first round defenseman are replacement level just because theirs are.

No, they're lower because that's what statistically happens. Every team thinks their prospects are the diamonds in the rough.

 

[Rebuilt]

Minus McSavior Winnipeg has better prospects than Edmonton , it will be interesting .....

Ok the Oilers have

1st overall Mc David

3rd overall Draisaitl

7th overall Nurse

What do the Jets have?

9th overall Ehlers ?

Morrissey wasnt drafted until 13th right?

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

he was scoring at three times the rate of the likes of Culkin and Kulak, and hasn't fully established himself as a top 4 defenceman. Development isn't linear and you can't look at a guy like Kulak and say he's better than Oesterle, Simpson, Davidson, etc because he's scored a few more points on the back end for a much worse team.

He also played on a practically illegal AHL team with Draft+3 Hall, Draft+2 Nugent Hopkins, Draft+5 Eberle.

And kulak/Culkin's offense is the last of what makes them fantastic prospects.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

No, they're lower because that's what statistically happens. Every team thinks their prospects are the diamonds in the rough.

So all scouting departments are identical because stats say so. Good to learn. We oughtta fire Tod Button and bring in Stu MacGregor.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Given his exceptional talent, should McDavid even play this type of prospect game/tournament?

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Marincin put up 30 points in 69 games as an AHL rookie (0.43ppg) and it never translated to the NHL. I think you guys are going to be really disappointed if you think all or even half of those 4 d prospects become impact NHLers

When did we say we expect them to be NHLers? Holy hell, all I said was that Hickey has a possibly of cracking the 1st round in his draft class.

You guys are whack as **** man!

 

[McFlyingV]

He also played on a practically illegal AHL team with Draft+3 Hall, Draft+2 Nugent Hopkins, Draft+5 Eberle.

And kulak/Culkin's offense is the last of what makes them fantastic prospects.

We get it. They're all going to be top pairing D and Calgary is going to have 6 top pairing D on their team.

 

[McFlyingV]

When did we say we expect them to be NHLers? Holy hell, all I said was that Hockey has a possibly of cracking the 1st round in his draft class.

You guys are whack as **** man!

Notice how I said "if you think". Maybe I wasn't referring to you specifically? There are fans from your fan base who talk about a lot of them like they are all but guaranteed to hit their ceiling, while other teams prospects of similar quality are just average. Every team has prospects like the ones you are talking about, and none of them are top prospects in the league.

 

[King In The North]

We get it. They're all going to be top pairing D and Calgary is going to have 6 top pairing D on their team.

Thank you for putting words into his mouth.

 

[herashak]

We get it. They're all going to be top pairing D and Calgary is going to have 6 top pairing D on their team.

Wow you guys literally cant stop **** posting

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Wow you guys literally cant stop **** posting

It's turning into Boxden

 

[McFlyingV]

Thank you for putting words into his mouth.

It was sarcasm, glad you missed that. The poster I quoted overhypes your prospects to a ridiculous degree, while failing to acknowledge that most teams have similar depth prospects with the same type of upside. If you can't see that from the 2000+ posts that he's accumulated in the last 6 months, then I don't know what to tell you.

You're all getting way too sensitive, the post was directed at him not your entire fan base. Time to relax.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It was sarcasm, glad you missed that. The poster I quoted overhypes your prospects to a ridiculous degree, while failing to acknowledge that most teams have similar depth prospects with the same type of upside. If you can't see that from the 2000+ posts that he's accumulated in the last 6 months, then I don't know what to tell you.

You're all getting way too sensitive, the post was directed at him not your entire fan base. Time to relax.

This right here is absolute truth.

 

[muddywaters]

Notice how I said "if you think". Maybe I wasn't referring to you specifically? There are fans from your fan base who talk about a lot of them like they are all but guaranteed to hit their ceiling, while other teams prospects of similar quality are just average. Every team has prospects like the ones you are talking about, and none of them are top prospects in the league.

Well ... would you say Edmonton has a history of drafting poorly or would you say they have a history of developing poorly .... because the end result seems to be the same ....