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Who should be sent down when Petry is healthy

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Ugene Magic said:
I don't even understand how anyone can be so constraint about a goalie who's seen a whopping 8 games in the playoffs and so defensive about him being there.

Generally there's a long track record to have that kind of ire.

2020 - 1 game
2021 - 6 games
2022 - 1 game

So nobody wants to give him the chance.
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I want to give Jarry a chance (It's not like we can trade him right now anyway and get a good return). I just don't see what's the rush to give him a long term contract before he shows up in the playoffs at least once.
 
SomeDude said:
I think Hextall is going to go dumpster diving and look for a reclamation project like Grubauer or, heaven forbid, Bob on a retained trade or after they are bought out.
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Maybe, but whoever the starting goalie is next season is gonna be a $5+ million AAV guy. Whether it's Jarry, Grubauer, Bob, whoever else. /shrug

With that in mind, I think the team will just shrug and keep Jarry unless he completely shits himself again like he did against the Isles. Durability's always a concern with both of the goalies the team's got, so I'm sure that's a factor, but I imagine they just stick with what they've got.
 
Icarium said:
I want to give Jarry a chance (It's not like we can trade him right now anyway and get a good return). I just don't see what's the rush to give him a long term contract before he shows up in the playoffs at least once.
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I don't see a long-term contract being an issue. There's clearly no better alternatives. Long contracts are given out to what would be considered the core, and he is that. Nobody seems to want to go through the motions.

He's a 2- time all-star with 108-52-17 2.60 GAA 9.15 sv%

You can't always reshuffle the deck on goaltending. You are asking him to give up a earned contract just so you can feel better.
 
It's nice to know I can f*** off for a month and still come back to people trying to lamely convince themselves that handing Tristan Jarry 7M dollars is a fine idea.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Maybe, but whoever the starting goalie is next season is gonna be a $5+ million AAV guy. Whether it's Jarry, Grubauer, Bob, whoever else. /shrug

With that in mind, I think the team will just shrug and keep Jarry unless he completely shits himself again like he did against the Isles. Durability's always a concern with both of the goalies the team's got, so I'm sure that's a factor, but I imagine they just stick with what they've got.
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I think Jarry will be asking for 6.5-7 mil at minimum with term.

Big difference between giving that out or taking on Bob or Grub with hopefully some retention.

Not to mention one of the few areas this team actually has depth at the prospect level is in net.

BlindWillyMcHurt said:
It's nice to know I can f*** off for a month and still come back to people trying to lamely convince themselves that handing Tristan Jarry 7M dollars is a fine idea.
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Yohe and Rossi are saying Zucker is a must resign too. Just to make you feel good.
 
Ugene Magic said:
I don't even understand how anyone can be so constraint about a goalie who's seen a whopping 8 games in the playoffs and so defensive about him being there.

Generally there's a long track record to have that kind of ire.

2020 - 1 game
2021 - 6 games
2022 - 1 game

So nobody wants to give him the chance.

Edit: Salary isn't solely attached to playoff success.
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Actually, I think you missed my point. I'm happy to give Jarry a chance (the goalie market is slim pickings). I just don't think it makes any sense negotiation-wise to extend him before the end of the season..

Any savings we make by giving him an early extension are negated by another postseason flop.

But if we wait to extend him, and he still flops - Hextall has all the leverage and we get the sweetest possible deal for Jarry. Or, maybe we go a different way. Either way we have more options and Hextall plays all the cards.

Third option - and best for everyone. We wait to extend him, and Jarry has a monster postseason. He deservedly gets his raise, and I'm happy to pay that.

The worst option, by far, is the first one. We don't need $500k-1million in cap savings dude, we are in a quickly waning, must-win-now last victory march with 87/71/58.

Jarry flops again this year in April and I'm not sure you feel the same way about extending him 6.5x7. Much rather wait.
 
Gurglesons said:
I think Jarry will be asking for 6.5-7 mil at minimum with term.

Big difference between giving that out or taking on Bob or Grub with hopefully some retention.

Not to mention one of the few areas this team actually has depth at the prospect level is in net.




Yohe and Rossi are saying Zucker is a must resign too. Just to make you feel good.
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Jarry may be worth that but I wouldn't do it with the injury history. I think the team needs to look at other options there. They need a bit of a shakeup, including moving on from Zucker.
 
Gurglesons said:
Eh. Resigning Zucker is like resigning Hornqvist. We will be trading it within a year or two.
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Then I guess I don't much see the point. Would rather plug in the next option in his role ASAP.

Doesn't much matter if Sullivan is still running the bench though so whatever. Sign 'em both for all I care.

EDIT: Making Jarry the third highest paid goaltender in the league is not smart and I guess I just don't really have the patience these days to blast out three massive paragraphs explaining why. He's a goaltender and one that hasn't done f***-all when it matters and is often injured in between. I'm not trying to be mean but if people can't see why forking over a wheelbarrow of money for that is highly suspect I just don't know. Going on rando hot streaks in the middle of the year and getting a couple of All Star nods (ooooooooh!) is not a good reason to sink a pile of money into the guy.

This isn't a potential laden young center. It's a goaltender.
 
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Zbynek said:
Actually, I think you missed my point. I'm happy to give Jarry a chance (the goalie market is slim pickings). I just don't think it makes any sense negotiation-wise to extend him before the end of the season..

Any savings we make by giving him an early extension are negated by another postseason flop.

But if we wait to extend him, and he still flops - Hextall has all the leverage and we get the sweetest possible deal for Jarry. Or, maybe we go a different way. Either way we have more options and Hextall plays all the cards.

Third option - and best for everyone. We wait to extend him, and Jarry has a monster postseason. He deservedly gets his raise, and I'm happy to pay that.

The worst option, by far, is the first one. We don't need $500k-1million in cap savings dude, we are in a quickly waning, must-win-now last victory march with 87/71/58.

Jarry flops again this year in April and I'm not sure you feel the same way about extending him 6.5x7. Much rather wait.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they know the workings of his next contract already, and any short-term success is moot. Forlackthereof better options. This team is based off players taking less for term.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Then I guess I don't much see the point. Would rather plug in the next option in his role ASAP.

Doesn't much matter if Sullivan is still running the bench though so whatever. Sign 'em both for all I care.

EDIT: Making Jarry the third highest paid goaltender in the league is not smart and I guess I just don't really have the patience these days to blast out three massive paragraphs explaining why. He's a goaltender and one that hasn't done f***-all when it matters and is often injured in between. I'm not trying to be mean but if people can't see why forking over a wheelbarrow of money for that is highly suspect I just don't know. Going on rando hot streaks in the middle of the year and getting a couple of All Star nods (ooooooooh!) is not a good reason to sink a pile of money into the guy.

This isn't a potential laden young center. It's a goaltender.
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I'm also not a fan of paying a lot for goalies unless it's a legitimate franchise type guy (ie. Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, etc.) because of how inconsistent goalies are. Paying Crosby/Malkin big money isn't much of a gamble because you know you're at least getting point per game+ production from them pretty much every season. Paying $7 million for a guy like Jarry who you couldn't predict where he'd finish among other goalies in terms of numbers/performance from one year to the next is so risky.
 
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OtherThingsILike said:
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I don't know about that. The Canucks have ten games where they blew leads of at least two goals and lost the game so far this season.
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Pens blown leads

Bruins
Buffalo
Habs
Carolina x 2
Wings

Yeah maybe not as much but still more than they should have.
 
Sidney the Kidney said:
I'm also not a fan of paying a lot for goalies unless it's a legitimate franchise type guy (ie. Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, etc.) because of how inconsistent goalies are. Paying Crosby/Malkin big money isn't much of a gamble because you know you're at least getting point per game+ production from them pretty much every season. Paying $7 million for a guy like Jarry who you couldn't predict where he'd finish among other goalies in terms of numbers/performance from one year to the next is so risky.
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Right?

Like... how haven't we learned this. You don't pay goaltenders big money unless they are absolutely rock solid and have had big playoff success. That ain't Jarry. Even Matt Murray didn't get his here and he won B2B Cups. And that was absolutely the correct decision.

This whole "what choice do they have?" stance is such a loser's mentality. This team pays it's front office and scouts big money. They can do their job.
 
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The entire goalie position is such a shit show right now. The number of truly elite goalies is extremely small and the occurrence of good goalies getting big deals and falling apart is happening a lot. But you combine that with a very bleak market for talent and it's like...what the hell do you do?

Realistically, Jarry is one of the best, if not THEE best, Canadian goalies in the league right now. He's going to have leverage. Even if it's weak leverage.
 
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I'd rather start Dustin flippin' Tokarski and bring back Spicy Pork to back him up all next season over paying Tristan Jarry 7M dollars a year. That's how dumb I think that idea is.
 
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I'd like to give Bob an opportunity here. Depending if we can fit him/ how much Florida retains.

Bob
Tokarski (back up)

Gives us a new look next year.
 
Gurglesons said:
Eh. Resigning Zucker is like resigning Hornqvist. We will be trading it within a year or two.
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I was actually thinking we should add more injury prone players approaching the downside of their careers. If we can consistently LTIR them then we’ll have plenty of cap space.
 
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