Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: We Hayes Dubas's offseason moves so far

[HandshakeLine]

Is there any way to pay and remove them?

You can pay and get fewer ads!

 

[SEALBound]

Why am I getting Marner rumors on my FB feed? Saying Eller and Yager and 2 1sts and they retain 5.5. Nonsense right?

Also this site has really gone to hell. The ads are horrendous. Is there any way to pay and remove them?

The ad overlays were wreaking havoc on me. So I gave them the $12.

 

[DearDiary]

I haven't seen a single ad on any website from HFBoards to Youtube since maybe 10 years ago. VPN's, PiHole, UBlock, there's many different legal solutions.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

This team can't afford to spend 8 mil on their bottom six centers. Makes no sense, man.

1. They can if they really want to.
2. No it doesn't make sense.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I think ponomarev winds up 3C and Hayes 4C with Eller shipped out eventually.

 

[McGroarty2]

I think ponomarev winds up 3C and Hayes 4C with Eller shipped out eventually.

So Sullivan won't be coaching?

 

[OnMyOwn]

So Sullivan won't be coaching?

Based on what I’ve heard, Pono can easily be a Sullivan favorite. He’s a responsible player.

 

[eXile3]

Based on what I’ve heard, Pono can easily be a Sullivan favorite. He’s a responsible player.

Sullys “responsible players” are ones that sacrifice offense and risk taking to play a safe but ineffective game.

 

[Gurglesons]

Based on what I’ve heard, Pono can easily be a Sullivan favorite. He’s a responsible player.

Yeah, but he is a euro. So even if he plays the right way Sullivan will give Kevin Hayes 80 games to figure it out.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I hate ex grinder plugger coaches

Imagine wasting over half a decade of your teams' relevancy cause you put like aston reese on your top six and dinosaurs on PP2

f***ing fire Sullivan already, good god damn

 

[SEALBound]

I hate ex grinder plugger coaches

Imagine wasting over half a decade of your teams' relevancy cause you put like aston reese on your top six and dinosaurs on PP2

f***ing fire Sullivan already, good god damn

I blame Shero and Bylsma FAR more than JR/Hex/Dubas and Sullivan on that front.

Crosby probably would have mutanied if he didn't have Kunitz, at the very least, given that his RWs in the playoffs were:

Hossa - Guerin - Guerin - XXXX - Steve Sullivan (Dupuis was LW IIRC) - Dupuis - Stempniak / Gibbon - Dupuis - Horny.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Based on what I’ve heard, Pono can easily be a Sullivan favorite. He’s a responsible player.

He's European. When's the last European who ended up being a favorite?

I blame Shero and Bylsma FAR more than JR/Hex/Dubas and Sullivan on that front.

Crosby probably would have mutanied if he didn't have Kunitz, at the very least, given that his RWs in the playoffs were:

Hossa - Guerin - Guerin - XXXX - Steve Sullivan (Dupuis was LW IIRC) - Dupuis - Stempniak / Gibbon - Dupuis - Horny.

This is why I always laugh at the McDavid stans who refuse to acknowledge that production will be impacted by having a Draisaitl on your line instead of a Hornqvist or Sheary. McDavid's winning scoring titles when he's got another 50 goal, 100+ point elite player on his line. Sid was winning scoring titles when Kunitz and a rotating cast of fringe middle six wingers were on his line.

 

[SEALBound]

He's European. When's the last European who ended up being a favorite?


This is why I always laugh at the McDavid stans who refuse to acknowledge that production will be impacted by having a Draisaitl on your line instead of a Hornqvist or Sheary. McDavid's winning scoring titles when he's got another 50 goal, 100+ point elite player on his line. Sid was winning scoring titles when Kunitz and a rotating cast of fringe middle six wingers were on his line.

At 27, I have to think Crosby puts up similar numbers if he has Hyman and Draisaitl running shotgun with him.

That said, there are so many instances of McDavid's raw speed and skill creating an amazing individual effort that I'm not sure Sid has at 27. 19/20, maybe.

 

[Speaker City]

At 27, I have to think Crosby puts up similar numbers if he has Hyman and Draisaitl running shotgun with him.

That said, there are so many instances of McDavid's raw speed and skill creating an amazing individual effort that I'm not sure Sid has at 27. 19/20, maybe.

I think 10-11 Sid would be the closest to McDavid. It felt like there was no stopping him when he would get the puck in the neutral zone with any speed. **** you, David Steckel.

 

[Johnny Rifle]

I think 10-11 Sid would be the closest to McDavid. It felt like there was no stopping him when he would get the puck in the neutral zone with any speed. **** you, David Steckel.

I’d say McDavid has unreal speed, while Crosby has unreal hands.

In ten years or so we’ll see if McDavid can stay elite when his body starts to slow down. I think he’ll still be great, but Crosby at 37 probably outperforms McDavid at 37.

 

[SEALBound]

I’d say McDavid has unreal speed, while Crosby has unreal hands.

In ten years or so we’ll see if McDavid can stay elite when his body starts to slow down. I think he’ll still be great, but Crosby at 37 probably outperforms McDavid at 37.

It will be interesting to see. Crosby's game will certainly age better than McDavid's being that McDavid's game is soooooo based on speed and that's usually the first thing to go in a player.

I think injuries are the biggest thing for McDavid. If he can stay healthy, I can see him being productive into his late 30's just like Sid.

 

[BusinessGoose]

The reduction in speed just reminds me of the corpse of Ovechkin. Just good for standing in the slot on the PP still.

I always liked to shit on him... But.. Now that him and sid are getting geriatric, i just can't be so mean anymore. Poor old man feeding ducks at the pond.

 

[eXile3]

People acting like Sid is slow. His top speed last year was in the 80th percentile. Considering how fast the league has gotten that’s not bad.

 

[SEALBound]

People acting like Sid is slow. His top speed last year was in the 80th percentile. Considering how fast the league has gotten that’s not bad.

Yeah his game isn't being hurt due to speed, for sure. But McDavid is much, much faster. That's all I was saying.

 

[BusinessGoose]

People acting like Sid is slow. His top speed last year was in the 80th percentile. Considering how fast the league has gotten that’s not bad.

Keep your eyes on his backchecking this year, lemme know what you see. It may not be slowness as much as energy conservation...mostly.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I’d say McDavid has unreal speed, while Crosby has unreal hands.

In ten years or so we’ll see if McDavid can stay elite when his body starts to slow down. I think he’ll still be great, but Crosby at 37 probably outperforms McDavid at 37.

If McDavid was purely speed he wouldn't be as successful as he is.

Regardless as we see with LeBron, Djokovic, Curry, Brady etc. these athletes are getting more capable of playing forever.

 

[eXile3]

Yeah his game isn't being hurt due to speed, for sure. But McDavid is much, much faster. That's all I was saying.

Oh I agree with that. Even prime Sid couldn’t catch him. McDavid might be the fastest player I’ve ever seen. Sorry Koltsov. RIP.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

At 27, I have to think Crosby puts up similar numbers if he has Hyman and Draisaitl running shotgun with him.

That said, there are so many instances of McDavid's raw speed and skill creating an amazing individual effort that I'm not sure Sid has at 27. 19/20, maybe.

I think an understated advantage having an elite linemate does is it doesn't allow the other team to double or triple team one player. Look at what the Red Wings did to Sid in 2009. You basically had them swarm Crosby and dare Kunitz/Guerin to do damage while left relatively untouched. You can't be that focused on McDavid because Draisaitl can murder you if you leave him with all kinds of time and space.

There's a reason McDavid's production goes down (quite a bit, relatively speaking) when he's on his own line and Draisaitl's centering his own line. If McDavid could put up these video game-esque numbers regardless of linemate quality, then the with/without splits wouldn't be so glaring.

 

[SEALBound]

I think an understated advantage having an elite linemate does is it doesn't allow the other team to double or triple team one player. Look at what the Red Wings did to Sid in 2009. You basically had them swarm Crosby and dare Kunitz/Guerin to do damage while left relatively untouched. You can't be that focused on McDavid because Draisaitl can murder you if you leave him with all kinds of time and space.

There's a reason McDavid's production goes down (quite a bit, relatively speaking) when he's on his own line and Draisaitl's centering his own line. If McDavid could put up these video game-esque numbers regardless of linemate quality, then the with/without splits wouldn't be so glaring.

100% agree. That is what Montreal did to beat us in 2010.

"Sid has Kunitz and Guerin...and Malkin has Fedotenko and Ponikarovsky? Okay, everyone double and triple team Sid and Geno. We'll force their wings to beat us. Lol"

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think we get Kotkaniemi.

Are we already at this stage of our Pens news boredom?

Based on what I’ve heard, Pono can easily be a Sullivan favorite. He’s a responsible player.

That doesn't always mean Sullivan will use them in the correct usage. Gruden might not be much, but he was far more effective on the 4th line than Harkins and Gruden is a better penalty killer as well, still wasn't used as much as no goals Harkins.