Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: Dull days of August... Oooo! A trade!

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Wow... just seeing this now. Confused. What does it all mean?

The Pens acquired a forward who thinks, and probably is, ready for the NHL for a prospect that is still a couple of years away.

The Pens have, hopefully, found a wing for Crosby for his final couple of seasons.

 

[SEALBound]

I have some bad news for ya buddy

Ugh, told my wife "hey, check this out. You look like Amanda Kessel!" and she immediately hits me with "yeah? Do you think she's hot?"

Savage gunslinger that woman is.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yager being a legit top prospect had me fantasizing about him leading the first line post Sid retirement. It's gonna take me a few to get over that picture I had in my head and get on board with this move, but the logic of the move is sound.

Not sure Yager ever had any evidence after being drafted that he would be a top line player.

 

[Pancakes]

I trust Jesse when it comes to prospect stuff so it sounds like this is a good trade for us.

Not sure Yager ever had any evidence after being drafted that he would be a top line player.

As far as I'm aware most people in the know consider Mcgroaty to be a superior prospect to Yager.

I was attached to Yager too given he was by far our best prospect but Mcgroaty is now the same thing and he might be closer to NHL ready as well which matters if you're trying to wring a last bit of relevance out of this core.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Overall, it was a minor opportunity to better the team now and in the future. It gave us a much better 1LW prospect to boot.

There are zero downsides to this trade as is.

I mean they could get the eval wrong and Yager ends up substantially better. I wouldn’t say zero.

 

[Scheifele55]

Overall, it was a minor opportunity to better the team now and in the future. It gave us a much better 1LW prospect to boot.

There are zero downsides to this trade as is.

Yes, for Winnipeg it was turning lemons into lemonade. Rutger McGroarty has off the charts leadership skills yet messed up and has the absolute worst advisors filling his head with garbage that he had to be guaranteed a top six forward role or he wouldn't sign his contract. Thank you you for taking our lemon off of our hands. It sucks because he sounds like a great prospect, however, Yager, who grew up only 8 hours away is atleast a prospect with high potential. I read he was by far your teams best prospect.

 

[Gurglesons]

I trust Jesse when it comes to prospect stuff so it sounds like this is a good trade for us.


As far as I'm aware most people in the know consider Mcgroaty to be a superior prospect to Yager.

I was attached to Yager too given he was by far our best prospect but Mcgroaty is now the same thing and he might be closer to NHL ready as well which matters if you're trying to wring a last bit of relevance out of this core.

I think McGroaty potentially has way more trade value for us in a few years than Yager would've had if we try to rebuild.

Yes, for Winnipeg it was turning lemons into lemonade. Rutger McGroarty has off the charts leadership skills yet messed up and has the absolute worst advisors filling his head with garbage that he had to be guaranteed a top six forward role or he wouldn't sign his contract. Thank you you for taking our lemon off of our hands. It sucks because he sounds like a great prospect, however, Yager, who grew up only 8 hours away is atleast a prospect with high potential. I read he was by far your teams best prospect.

Yeah. Yager has solid upside and could potentially make the Penguins pay if he turns out as a 30-30 2C ala Jared McCann.

Something about his game just seems derivative over the last year. I'm curious to see what his junior year looks like without being surrounded by talent.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Ugh, told my wife "hey, check this out. You look like Amanda Kessel!" and she immediately hits me with "yeah? Do you think she's hot?"

Savage gunslinger that woman is.

"I think Phil Kessel is hot."

 

[Pancakes]

I think McGroaty potentially has way more trade value for us in a few years than Yager would've had if we try to rebuild.

I could also see Mcgroaty being our Dylan Larkin where he gets caught on a shit ass Pens team for 4-5 years but then at the end of it the Pens are coming out of it and Mcgroaty at that point is in his prime and leading the team.

Though if that is indeed how it pans out I hope we have better lottery luck than Detroit did lol

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

I read he was by far your teams best prospect.

He was, which is not saying much, but I hope he does well for you.

I like Winnipeg.

 

[Pancakes]

I will say if there's one thing that I don't love about what I'm hearing with Mcgroaty's game is people saying that he needs to improve his skating.

Bad skating is the number one thing that ruins prospects I feel like. Hopefully that doesn't happen here.

 

[SEALBound]

Yes, for Winnipeg it was turning lemons into lemonade. Rutger McGroarty has off the charts leadership skills yet messed up and has the absolute worst advisors filling his head with garbage that he had to be guaranteed a top six forward role or he wouldn't sign his contract. Thank you you for taking our lemon off of our hands. It sucks because he sounds like a great prospect, however, Yager, who grew up only 8 hours away is atleast a prospect with high potential. I read he was by far your teams best prospect.

Overall, it worked out well for both sides. Yager was indeed our best prospect, but that's not saying much.

I do think he'll get his chance with Sid here and I don't think you guys need Yager this year so, again, good for both sides. Impressed that you guys got a guy like Yager for someone who wanted out.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I will say if there's one thing that I don't love about what I'm hearing with Mcgroaty's game is people saying that he needs to improve his skating.

Bad skating is the number one thing that ruins prospects I feel like. Hopefully that doesn't happen here.

He’s been working with pro figure skaters (Barb Underhill) to improve. He’s doing his best, I’d assume, but we’ll see how that pays off in a couple months.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Yes, for Winnipeg it was turning lemons into lemonade. Rutger McGroarty has off the charts leadership skills yet messed up and has the absolute worst advisors filling his head with garbage that he had to be guaranteed a top six forward role or he wouldn't sign his contract. Thank you you for taking our lemon off of our hands. It sucks because he sounds like a great prospect, however, Yager, who grew up only 8 hours away is atleast a prospect with high potential. I read he was by far your teams best prospect.

I wonder how much of that was just "I'm American and if you're gonna make me live in WPG for the next 7 years you have to guarantee me a top 6 spot"?

 

[Pancakes]

Yes, for Winnipeg it was turning lemons into lemonade. Rutger McGroarty has off the charts leadership skills yet messed up and has the absolute worst advisors filling his head with garbage that he had to be guaranteed a top six forward role or he wouldn't sign his contract. Thank you you for taking our lemon off of our hands. It sucks because he sounds like a great prospect, however, Yager, who grew up only 8 hours away is atleast a prospect with high potential. I read he was by far your teams best prospect.

Yager was definitely our best prospect though as Sealbound said that isn't saying much as our prospect pool is ass.

But Yager seemed like he was projecting well and he's showing big year to year improvement which you want to see out of a top prospect. I think he will pan out and be a quality NHLer.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Helps Crosby today and makes the Pens suck harder after he retires, can’t be too unhappy.

McGroarty-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Glass-Hayes
Acciari-Eller-Puljujarvi
Puustinen, Ponomarev

It’s still ass but it will be more fun to watch than I had feared.

You forgot Lizotte, Beauvillier, Poulin.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Dubas has to photoshop McGroarty in a Boston U jersey to get Mike Sullivan on board.

 

[Coastal Kev]

We really did not need to sign Lizotte or trade Acciari

Glass Puus as Bench riders?

I think Rakell has to go. I would do Rust as well, but Sid might go to a darkness retreat if that happened.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Talk about a completely unexpected trade.

I think it's a net positive, though the Penguins have so little talent in their system that it's a shame to lose Yager as a 1-for-1.

That said, McGroarty could realistically open the season with the Pens, whereas Yager probably needed to have an absolutely phenomenal camp and was more likely headed back to juniors.

Also, I echo what someone else said -- something seemed weird about the Yager/Pens relationship. I wasn't concerned, but he took a really long time to sign his ELC. The fact that Brunicke signed before Yager is just weird.

After the research we get a better player and most likely NHL ready.

McGroarty is also 200 lbs 6 1 v Yager last year at 170 lbs.

So what is the purpose of this trade for us? Is McGroarty a significantly better prospect? Or are we just aiming for a more NHL-ready player who plays a different style?

NHL ready better prospect.

It's like trading a Dollar for a Dollar and 10 cents.

 

[Ulf5]

We really did not need to sign Lizotte or trade Acciari

Glass Puus as Bench riders?

Our Compete/60 should've just got a huge bump with McGroarty, Lizotte and having Bunting for the whole season.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You forgot Lizotte, Beauvillier, Poulin.

I don't think Poulin makes the team next year.

If I could call the shots, I'd want to see this forward group:

McGroaty-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
O'Connor-Eller-Puustinen
Lizotte-Glass-Beauvillier
Hayes-Acciari

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

I don't think Poulin makes the team next year.

If I could call the shots, I'd want to see this forward group:

McGroaty-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
O'Connor-Eller-Puustinen
Lizotte-Glass-Beauvillier
Hayes-Acciari

That's probably the best line-up with what the Pens have currently on the roster.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Our Compete/60 should've just got a huge bump with McGroarty, Lizotte and having Bunting for the whole season.

I'm not against Lizotte he's a tough guy. Just the amount of forwards we have was and is now ridiculous

 

[Coastal Kev]

I was excited about what Yager could become, but what I've seen of RM so far, he seems like the safer prospect. So safer vs upside? Who knows.

I like that we have added guys like Glass and Beauvillier. If we hit it big with either or both, that could change everything with the franchise. But it really is hard to get excited about anything with sully still here, ready to do his sully things.

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[Pancakes]

I don't think Poulin makes the team next year.

If I could call the shots, I'd want to see this forward group:

McGroaty-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
O'Connor-Eller-Puustinen
Lizotte-Glass-Beauvillier
Hayes-Acciari

That's a ton of pressure on McGroaty but if he shows he's ready for it, sure, why not.

I suspect that if McGroaty actually makes the team he'll be bouncing between the top line and third line depending on which of him and DOC are playing better at the time with Sid.