Post-Game Talk: Pens Sens. That’s how we lost.

[TooManyHumans]

I will not separate Sully/Hex when it comes to Carter. Carter was cemented into the lineup the minute they gave him a laughable 2 year extension.

Where I have a hard controlling my emotion is when I read people who are now leading the charge in regards to the folly that is Carter, when one year earlier CHEERED his new contract. (hi DK, among many others). Have they no shame??

I don't have a problem with someone changing their mind when new evidence presents itself or with them admitting they were wrong. Good for DK at least acknowledging that Carter is done and killing this team, regardless of what he thought of the contract at the time.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

As obnoxious as DK absolutely is at least he learned his lesson last time around with Disco and can now recognize a lame duck coach when he sees one.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't have a problem with someone changing their mind when new evidence presents itself or with them admitting they were wrong. Good for DK at least acknowledging that Carter is done and killing this team, regardless of what he thought of the contract at the time.

I think my main issue is that these writers fashion themselves as “subject matter experts” and the unanimously just regurgitate the same shit.

Everything is Hextall and Jeff Carter’s fault when this team was flaming out against Montreal and the Islanders before he even got here due to poor defense, lack of finishing when it mattered, and asinine line up decisions

Guess what’s still happening.

Brian Dumoulin and Jeff Carter’s usage despite their play is the least shocking thing in the world and PIT media acts like Sullivan’s being forced to play this hand.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I don't have a problem with someone changing their mind when new evidence presents itself or with them admitting they were wrong. Good for DK at least acknowledging that Carter is done and killing this team, regardless of what he thought of the contract at the time.

I agree wholeheartedly. I didn't care for the Carter trade, but I admitted he was a beast his first playoff year.

But I quickly pivoted once again and was mightily opposed to resigning him during the midst of their long winning streak last season. If DK wanted to build trust from his readers, he should first admit that he was wrong when he lectured anyone that questioned the new contract, then move to blasting Carter.

Confirmed with Link: - Jeff Carter signs two-year extension with Penguins

Maybe he thinks Letang and Geno are re-signing? I doubt he’d want to stick around for two more years for a rebuild.

forums.hfboards.com

 

[the penitent]

Peat argued for it.

The ED was fine. Carter was good last year and a big reason we made the playoffs.

Had Carter been exposed, he would not have been taken. Presuming McCann had been kept and protected, Tanev would still have been the choice.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hell he literally did the exact same thing with JJ that he's doing now with Dumo well before Hextall ever got here.
Remember how everyone was confused about whether or not Sullivan and JR were on the same page? And now are again confused as to whether Sullivan and Hex are on the same page? Weird, that.

 

[Gurglesons]

Had Carter been exposed, he would not have been taken. Presuming McCann had been kept and protected, Tanev would still have been the choice.

McCann wasn’t protected in the ED.

 

[SEALBound]

Bonino was good in his 2 games. Probably does a ton to stabilize this team, and Kulikov would have at least provided us some depth if he hadn’t been injured with how the injuries have gone. Hard to argue those two deals were bad given the cost and the fact we got out of McGinn’s deal.

Bonino has been absolutely irrelevant in all games played with us. And this is coming from someone who was really rooting for him to come in and stabilize the team.

I will walk back the Kulikov criticism but we did indeed get out of McGinn's deal.

 

[Gurglesons]

Bonino has been absolutely irrelevant in all games played with us. And this is coming from someone who was really rooting for him to come in and stabilize the team.

I will walk back the Kulikov criticism but we did indeed get out of McGinn's deal.

He played the defensive role in the bottom six and didn’t get scored on and also helped set up a goal.

Hard disagree.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I generally don't tally up this stuff in my brain but it was like me you Peat and HSL that hated it and that's it haha

People piss and moan about the ED but the BIG thing there was really protecting Carter and signaling that he was a big part of the puzzle. People loved that shit, too.

Man, I caught so much flak for hating that signing as well as advocating for trading Rust last TDL.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Gets 35 million pay day and stop playing.

Really makes you wonder if contracts should start getting shorter.

Or just don't give long-term deals to non-core players who already started to show signs of being a lazy piece of shit even before his contract was up.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Gets 35 million pay day and stop playing.

Really makes you wonder if contracts should start getting shorter.

Yes, especially when that contract runs until you're 36 years old!! I mean I don't mind a 23-24-25 year old getting a 6-7 year deal, not at age 30. Hextall is clueless

Man, I caught so much flak for hating that signing as well as advocating for trading Rust last TDL.

Same here, I understand he has a NMC but tell him he is no longer wanted and he has to go, so give me 3 destinations you would like...

 

[Pancakes]

I generally don't tally up this stuff in my brain but it was like me you Peat and HSL that hated it and that's it haha

People piss and moan about the ED but the BIG thing there was really protecting Carter and signaling that he was a big part of the puzzle. People loved that shit, too.

I went back and read my take. Apparently my view was that the age thing was a concern but I wasn't sure how we'd do better given cap constraints.

I was half right I guess. We probably could have done better with that three million. We could have lit on fire and rolled it up and smoked it like a blunt. That would have been a more productive use of that money

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I went back and read my take. Apparently my view was that the age thing was a concern but I wasn't sure how we'd do better given cap constraints.

I was half right I guess. We probably could have done better with that three million. We could have lit on fire and rolled it up and smoked it like a blunt. That would have been a more productive use of that money

NOW you're talkin!

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I've been saying the same for a while. Guaranteed contracts are the worst thing to happen to sports.

Eh I am for guaranteed contracts or a lot of it guaranteed.

I just think shorter term is a must.

I'd be down to slowly bring down contracts to 5 years.

Add something like a franchise tag like the NFL does and have that player be able to sign for 6 or 7 years max.

 

[Gurglesons]

I went back and read my take. Apparently my view was that the age thing was a concern but I wasn't sure how we'd do better given cap constraints.

I was half right I guess. We probably could have done better with that three million. We could have lit on fire and rolled it up and smoked it like a blunt. That would have been a more productive use of that money

As I said within the first few pages. We should’ve just given that money to Rodrigues if we felt the need to spend 3 mil on a bottom six guy.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Speaking of ERod, he only has one less goal than Bryan "He's Getting Better Every Week I Swear" Rust.

 

[Icarium]

A moment that struck me was when we had a power play in the second period and tried to carry the puck in three times in a row in the most predictable of fashions. Even Bob Errey had enough and said "Hockey is a team game. You still gotta play the right way even if the opponent is out of the playoffs". The Pens don't play the right play, they play Sully's way which might have worked six years ago but nowadays is stale, to put it mildly. The teams which play the Pens the most know perfectly well how to beat them (except for the Flyers and Jackets for some reason), this is not a coincidence.

 

[Gurglesons]

Speaking of ERod, he only has one less goal than Bryan "He's Getting Better Every Week I Swear" Rust.

Granlund has more points than Rust in the month of March.

But the management respectfully disagrees with us on that.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Granlund has more points than Rust in the month of March.

But the management respectfully disagrees with us on that.

That's maybe the saddest thing I've read about this team lately and that's saying something.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I will not separate Sully/Hex when it comes to Carter. Carter was cemented into the lineup the minute they gave him a laughable 2 year extension.

Where I have a hard controlling my emotion is when I read people who are now leading the charge in regards to the folly that is Carter, when one year earlier CHEERED his new contract. (hi DK, among many others). Have they no shame??

I think I was happy for this year but didn't like the 2 year.

So I guess I was wrong but I wasn't wrong about 2 years. The second year is ass.

 

[Pancakes]

As I said within the first few pages. We should’ve just given that money to Rodrigues if we felt the need to spend 3 mil on a bottom six guy.

Probably could have gotten E-Rod cheaper than that too. Ah well

 

[Gurglesons]

Probably could have gotten E-Rod cheaper than that too. Ah well

Highly doubt it. But still.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Speaking of ERod, he only has one less goal than Bryan "He's Getting Better Every Week I Swear" Rust.

I'm by no means an advocate for E-Rod, but the one difference between him and Rust is that E-Rod at least works hard. Rust's turned into the later stages Kessel but without Kessel's elite skills.

 

[Pancakes]

Highly doubt it. But still.

I think 2 million with term might have gotten him to stay. Tough to say though.

I would have been happy to give E-Rod like 5 years at 2 mil or 4 years at 2 mil. Maybe he'd suck for the last year or two but that wouldn't matter.