Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

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Hoglander with Crosby
Lekkerimaki with Malkin

 

[Ryder71]

Hopefully Nylander gets the game winning goal tomorrow, points at Sullivan on the bench and then gives him a throat slashing sign lol…

The more we plummet the more my nether region becomes engorged. Hell, when Jakes traded for a tidy sum I won't be able to walk (sincerely)!

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

He is a UFA. When’s the last time a UFA returned back a better piece?



With an extension. Maybe. But that would likely be a draft deal if you wanted that type of return.

I think with the cap jumping, teams will feel confident they can keep him around.

I don't think players of Jake's caliber get dealt as just rentals. I asked earlier, but I genuinely can't remember the last time a <30yr old, ~40g forward was dealt and wasn't extended.

Meier had an extremely underwhelming post-TDL/playoff showing for the Devils and they still handed him a colossal deal. I think whoever trades for Jake will do so with every intention of re-signing him. Which is why I think Vegas and Edmonton are not front runners, nor the top of Dubas' list of ideals.

 

[Ryder71]

I'll take the Swede who has the motor and 20 goals in the NHL over a shitty version of Guentzel.

I'm with you there, I'm a bit down on Brisson TBH.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think with the cap jumping, teams will feel confident they can keep him around.

I don't think players of Jake's caliber get dealt as just rentals. I asked earlier, but I genuinely can't remember the last time a <30yr old, ~40g forward was dealt and wasn't extended.

Meier had an extremely underwhelming post-TDL/playoff showing for the Devils and they still handed him a colossal deal. I think whoever trades for Jake will do so with every intention of re-signing him. Which is why I think Vegas and Edmonton are not front runners, nor the top of Dubas' list of ideals.

Devils moved nothing of consequence for Meier.

Giroux brought back Tippett, who I think had a higher upside than Hoglander. Although Tippett really struggled early and there were questions about him, notably with his skating.

Hoglander is way better than Tippett was at his age.

 

[Ryder71]

I don’t think we will get a better piece than Hoglander in a Guentzel trade.

We might, but as I've stated now 13 times, I expect HOGs and a '25 1st or the equivalent with a cap dump and retention added.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hoglander is way better than Tippett was at his age.

In Tippett's age 23 season, he had 27 goals and 49 points in 77 games.

 

[Gurglesons]

In Tippett's age 23 season, he had 27 goals and 49 points in 77 games.

Hoglander was 22 to start this season turning 23.

Tippett was 23 last season turning 24.

Tippett had 10 goals and 11 assists in 63 games when he was the same age as Hoglander is this season.

Hoglander has 19 and 8 in 61.

We might, but as I've stated now 13 times, I expect HOGs and a '25 1st or the equivalent with a cap dump and retention added.

I would agree with this. Hoglander, Podkolzin, 2nd and Mikheyev would be my ideal package.

Nashville trading is Parsinnen, Glass and a 1st would be my second one.

Vegas trading us Brisson, Kolesar, 1st, 3rd would be third.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hoglander was 22 to start this season turning 23.

Tippett was 23 last season turning 24.

Tippett had 10 goals and 11 assists in 63 games when he was the same age as Hoglander is this season.

Hoglander has 19 and 8 in 61.



I would agree with this. Hoglander, Podkolzin, 2nd and Mikheyev would be my ideal package.

Nashville trading is Parsinnen, Glass and a 1st would be my second one.

Vegas trading us Brisson, Kolesar, 1st, 3rd would be third.

That NHL performance difference doesn't seem significant enough for me to overlook his draft position and size.

It isn't significant, but I feel like Hoglander's upside has always been a motor Kunitz/Zucker type of top-6 forward while Tippett's upside was a Neal/Guentzel type of complementary top line scorer.

 

[Gurglesons]

That NHL performance difference doesn't seem significant enough for me to overlook his draft position and size.

It isn't significant, but I feel like Hoglander's upside has always been a motor Kunitz/Zucker type of top-6 forward while Tippett's upside was a Neal/Guentzel type of complementary top line scorer.

This team desperately needs a Kunitz / Zucker and that player type will have huge trade value in a few years when we want to sell.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I love the finality of the deadline. It's big decision time no matter what, even for slacker gms.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I can't wait for the angsty posts calling Sullivan a xenophobe for ruining pixies latest player crush, Hoglander.

 

[enviSAGE]

Hoglander might be a perfect line mate for Sid.

Guentzel is a perfect linemate for Sid.

 

[Gurglesons]

I can't wait for the angsty posts calling Sullivan a xenophobe for ruining pixies latest player crush, Hoglander.

100% going to happen.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

100% going to happen.

Fingers crossed Sully is gone at the end of the season, but I ain't holding my breath.

 

[Ryder71]

Hoglander was 22 to start this season turning 23.

Tippett was 23 last season turning 24.

Tippett had 10 goals and 11 assists in 63 games when he was the same age as Hoglander is this season.

Hoglander has 19 and 8 in 61.



I would agree with this. Hoglander, Podkolzin, 2nd and Mikheyev would be my ideal package.

Nashville trading is Parsinnen, Glass and a 1st would be my second one.

Vegas trading us Brisson, Kolesar, 1st, 3rd would be third.

Podkolzin isn't exactly lighting it up in the ''A''. Meh, that's more quantity than quality. I don't see that as ''ideal'', I see that as a legit fall back.

 

[Gurglesons]

Podkolzin isn't exactly lighting it up in the ''A''. Meh, that's more quantity than quality. I don't see that as ''ideal'', I see that as a legit fall back.

Hoglander is the value in the deal. Every thing else is a lottery ticket.

 

[Ryder71]

Hoglander is the value in the deal. Every thing else is a lottery ticket.

That bein the case I'd prefer we get a 1st instead of POD and a 2hd. Haven't seen him but his numbers indicate he's regressing. We don't need more AHLers. He's probably a notch below Nylander who we just gave away.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Interesting bit of analysis from The Athletic -- Dubas is the fourth most active GM in the NHL when it comes to trades over the last five seasons, and the only GMs in front of him are newly hired GMs conducting rebuilds (San Jose, Chicago, and Montreal).

28% of his trades are classified as buys, another 28% are marginal/AHL trades, 12% are clear sells, and 12% are classic hockey trades.

He's also the 6th most active GM at the deadline. I think it's clear based on his history he's going to be as active as he can be leading up to the deadline.

NHL GM tendencies: Who trades the most? When do they like to deal?

One of the best ways to predict an NHL general manager’s potential trade activity is by looking at their history.

theathletic.com

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It's so funny to me reading Canucks fan takes where they're saying shit like Hoglander is untouchable and they need to hang up the phone if Dubas wants Hoglander, Willander, or Lekkerimaki.

Like, I'm not a huge fan of Jake post shoulder injury, but these are some wild takes.

 

[Zbynek]

It's so funny to me reading Canucks fan takes where they're saying shit like Hoglander is untouchable and they need to hang up the phone if Dubas wants Hoglander, Willander, or Lekkerimaki.

Like, I'm not a huge fan of Jake post shoulder injury, but these are some wild takes.

Jake has beaten every single injury timeline he's faced in his NHL career. It is understated how resilient and tough he is (never heard those words to describe any of the Canucks players). Jake is a bonified 1W, the #1 trade piece on the market today. A ppg player where it matters in 58 playoff games, and close to ppg in 500 regular season games.

Vancouver can stick Hoglander up their ass. Dude will never amount to half of what Jake has done

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Jake has beaten every single injury timeline he's faced in his NHL career. It is understated how resilient and tough he is (never heard those words to describe any of the Canucks players). Jake is a bonified 1W, the #1 trade piece on the market today. A ppg player where it matters in 58 playoff games, and close to ppg in 500 regular season games.

Vancouver can stick Hoglander up their ass. Dude will never amount to half of what Jake has done

Yeah, I mean, a team in win-now mode like Vancouver with guys like Pettersson, JT Miller, Boeser, Hughes, etc., you absolutely value the addition of Jake over any of those prospects by orders of magnitude.

People overrate prospects and picks like wild, man. They have much more value to a team dead in the water and about to begin a lengthy rebuild like this team, but to the Canucks? I'm trading whatever it takes to add Jake and not thinking twice about it tbh. It reminds me of all the handwringing over losing guys like Kap or Pouliot for Kessel.

 

[Pancakes]

Yeah, I mean, a team in win-now mode like Vancouver with guys like Pettersson, JT Miller, Boeser, Hughes, etc., you absolutely value the addition of Jake over any of those prospects by orders of magnitude.

People overrate prospects and picks like wild, man. They have much more value to a team dead in the water and about to begin a lengthy rebuild like this team, but to the Canucks? I'm trading whatever it takes to add Jake and not thinking twice about it tbh. It reminds me of all the handwringing over losing guys like Kap or Pouliot for Kessel.

It's also why I'm not overly excited about the assets we're going to get back for selling at the deadline.

Like there's a fair chance that most of what we end up getting on Friday is never gonna amount to anything meaningful.

I hope that's not the case but when you're talking picks (and not very high ones at that) and prospects it's just a lottery.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It's also why I'm not overly excited about the assets we're going to get back for selling at the deadline.

Like there's a fair chance that most of what we end up getting on Friday is never gonna amount to anything meaningful.

I hope that's not the case but when you're talking picks (and not very high ones at that) and prospects it's just a lottery.

Sure, but what's the alternative? Nobody's gonna give you a younger, outright replacement for Jake. This team can't hang on to him because letting him walk for nothing or re-signing him are terrible options.

You just gotta hope the guys Dubas lands are either impact players who fit the team's long term goals or they do well enough to flip them for more assets when the full on rebuild begins. /shrug

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He is a UFA. When’s the last time a UFA returned back a better piece?

Do playoff goals matter to teams? When's the last time such a prolific plaoff goal scorer got traded?

Drai and Mack are the only active players with higher playoff goals per game (with a 10+ game sample size), and I don't think either of them are getting dealt any time soon.