AuroraBorealis
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Doesn't mean much if you lose in round 1. It's a stay of execution for 2 weeks. Meh. Who cares?
That's not what they need.
Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."
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That's not what they need.
GilbertSeinfeld
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I agree that this should have been, at worst, a wild card team.
Maybe they pull a Panthers and go on a run, or maybe they get absolutely blitzed in the first round.
Either way, no one will know because of another season of massive underachieving.
Dreger says lots of interest in Jake. Vegas is believed by many to be a front runner. Oilers think the price is beyond them.
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Dreger on Leafs losing to the Bruins, Ruff getting fired and how many teams are going after Guentzel
TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about the Leafs' approach at the trade deadline, why the team is still hesitant to trade their first round pick, Lindy Ruff getting fired by the Devils, if the Devils are still going after Jacob Markstrom and more.
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AuroraBorealis
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Hell no. They lack the hungry personalities and inspired coaching staff. Super different from 2023 Florida in that regard.
This has turned into a culture of meekness, satisfaction and apathy.
The fire is dead. DEAD!
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Oh it matters. Maybe it doesn't matter to swaths of our fanbase who are still in "Cup or bust" mindset but it matters to the players, the organization and their bottom line. Plus wallowing around in this purgatory where you miss but don't bomb enough for a great pick sucks. I'd way rather they at least make the dance while Sid is around.
Good lord, that thread on the main board is just bonkers.
Gurglesons
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I hope Guentzel gets traded soon. The idiocy about him is getting out of control..
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SomeDude
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He can’t come off LTIR until after the deadline. Which makes you wonder why a team historically so slow/stingy to utilize LTIR put him on it immediately for a finger injury when he came back like a month early from surgery to start the year.
Empoleon8771
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Guentzel to Vegas makes too much sense to not happen. I don’t think Vegas has the best assets for Guentzel, but it just makes way too much sense on paper.
Also, it will be nice watching Guentzel score a lot on Vancouver in the playoffs and cause the Canucks to lose
Also, it will be nice watching Guentzel score a lot on Vancouver in the playoffs and cause the Canucks to lose
CheckingLineCenter
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Athletic article says “Pens could get great offers for Rust but respect him too much to trade him”
Hopefully this is BS. Either about the great offers or respect part.
We’ve made the dude crazy rich. I don’t think we need to show any more “respect”. Hopefully he’d waive if there truly was a great offer.
Hopefully this is BS. Either about the great offers or respect part.
We’ve made the dude crazy rich. I don’t think we need to show any more “respect”. Hopefully he’d waive if there truly was a great offer.
Is that this article?
Yohe: What I'm hearing about Penguins' trade deadline
Here's what I know about the Penguins' Jake Guentzel and Bryan Rust as the trade deadline nears.
theathletic.com
Anything actually worthwhile in this?
Sike Mullivan
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Pretty sure they had to so they could call up a forward to play. They played 11F 7D the next game after his injury because they had 33 cents in cap space.
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GilbertSeinfeld
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Whenever the Pittsburgh writers "hear something," it's usually BS.Is that this article?
Yohe: What I'm hearing about Penguins' trade deadline
Here's what I know about the Penguins' Jake Guentzel and Bryan Rust as the trade deadline nears.
Anything actually worthwhile in this?
They never break anything of significance.
CheckingLineCenter
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Yes and not really.Is that this article?
Yohe: What I'm hearing about Penguins' trade deadline
Here's what I know about the Penguins' Jake Guentzel and Bryan Rust as the trade deadline nears.
Anything actually worthwhile in this?
Maybe Dubas is giving some info to the local guys as a way to use them as puppets down the road, but until they show any chops breaking Pens news… IMO they’re just regurgitating LeBrun/Friedman etc.
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That's a tough thing to really dial in because you would expect a guy like Dubas in Toronto and Pittsburgh (two Cup aspiring, win-now teams) would be more active than a guy in the middle of the pack. Might also depend on cap space as well and how each team needs to navigate those rivers.Interesting bit of analysis from The Athletic -- Dubas is the fourth most active GM in the NHL when it comes to trades over the last five seasons, and the only GMs in front of him are newly hired GMs conducting rebuilds (San Jose, Chicago, and Montreal).
28% of his trades are classified as buys, another 28% are marginal/AHL trades, 12% are clear sells, and 12% are classic hockey trades.
He's also the 6th most active GM at the deadline. I think it's clear based on his history he's going to be as active as he can be leading up to the deadline.
NHL GM tendencies: Who trades the most? When do they like to deal?
One of the best ways to predict an NHL general manager’s potential trade activity is by looking at their history.
I think he will get the guys sold. There's only one that he needs to win on - Guentzel. Smith, Eller, Rudwedel, Neds...whatever. The key here is that he needs to get the returns that put this team on a new path. You're trading a MAJOR asset, you better know what you're doing.
That said, I think we need to keep expectations in check. I don't think we're getting Hoglander+Lekkerimaki+1st no matter how fun it was to suggest and dream about it. So if they get back something like Brisson, Dorofeyev, 2nd - that's not a "career-defining mistake", that's getting fair value for a rental.
Now if it's like Vanek or Hall and he gets back a C-level guy and a 2nd, that'll be rough especially if Jake signs a good value extension. I'd be pissed if we got back (using our own system as a base): Broz or Legare + 2nd. That would be an epic failure.
If he's selling a lot, he needs to get a lot in return. Not a bunch of C/D prospects and 4ths.
Vegas seems most likely honestly unless someone really steps it up and gives a big piece (ie Van with Hogs or Lekky).Dreger says lots of interest in Jake. Vegas is believed by many to be a front runner. Oilers think the price is beyond them.
Dreger on Leafs losing to the Bruins, Ruff getting fired and how many teams are going after Guentzel
TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about the Leafs' approach at the trade deadline, why the team is still hesitant to trade their first round pick, Lindy Ruff getting fired by the Devils, if the Devils are still going after Jacob Markstrom and more.
I would imagine at this point, teams might be waiting to see if the price comes down a bit based on teams dropping out or moving on to other targets but Toffoli not being available helps us quite a bit.
You think this is bad? Wait until we see the comments on the return. Either way, Toronto fans will be out in full force to give us their hot takes on Dubas. It's going to get much worse before it gets better.
SomeDude
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Refusing a haul because you respect Bryan Rust would just be so amazing.
It’s like refusing to fire a coach 3 years past his expiration date because you respect him so much.
What a well run organization this is.
It’s like refusing to fire a coach 3 years past his expiration date because you respect him so much.
What a well run organization this is.
SomeDude
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Isn’t he Sid’s agent’s son? Yeah, I could see him being the primary target.
I hope Vancouver pays out the *** just for the hilarity of watching their posters backpedal and shift to how giving up the world was actually a steal for them.
It's maddening. Rust is a good player, but he's never been a elite. He's entirely replaceable.
SomeDude
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He’s also been mediocre with flashes of good since getting paid and entirely useless away from Crosby.
Empoleon8771
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I don't understand how people simultaneously shit on Rust as "replaceable", "mediocre with flashes of good" or whatever else, but also act like he has value while signed long-term with a NMC.
I'm not going to argue that they shouldn't try to trade Rust, but I'm pretty confident any Rust trade would be pretty shitty for the Penguins. He's a soon to be 32 year old winger signed long-term with a NMC and he's currently on IR with an injury. I don't think they'd get great offers for Rust at all, because Rust can pick his location and basically make the bidding whoever he wants.
I'm not going to argue that they shouldn't try to trade Rust, but I'm pretty confident any Rust trade would be pretty shitty for the Penguins. He's a soon to be 32 year old winger signed long-term with a NMC and he's currently on IR with an injury. I don't think they'd get great offers for Rust at all, because Rust can pick his location and basically make the bidding whoever he wants.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Well uh... as a big positive for WunderKyle the bar he has to clear for the TDL to be considered a success is downright subterranean thanks to his predecessor.
He just CAN'T do any worse than a second for Granlund. Hahaha... right? RIGHT?!?
He just CAN'T do any worse than a second for Granlund. Hahaha... right? RIGHT?!?
SomeDude
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Probably because the same sources that are used to quote the cost of Guentzel, etc, are saying teams really like Rust. You can’t follow them like gospel for some news and reject them for other. They either know things or they don’t.
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