Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[Ryder71]

Wrong thread

 

[Ryder71]

Can't give up yet TP, hang in there.

 

[Ryder71]

I mean, who isn’t going to concede to a grandma on social media?

I wouldn't, I'm heartless and seldom care about others feelings. That said, I don't have some huge vendetta against Dubas.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

100% Powerplay WAR. LO freaking L

That number there alone invalidates Jfresh's charts for me

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Those damn egotistical players won't skate faster or block every shot that their goalie depends on post-allstar break because he's a 1B. Who woulda thought.

I seriously looked at Eller and Smith and thought - man, Ian Cole's shot blocking prowess will be challenged this year with these additions. Acciari? Who needs depth scoring when you have that HEAVY (Getzoff) forecheck. Graves? Finally the anchor EK / Letang are going to need. This system is proven. You just have to trust the process. You see, once we miss 2-3 years in a row, 40 year olds Sid/Geno will once again take hold of crappy linemates and lead the art ross race for a playoff push while the other 10 forwards grind and forecheck.



It's funny how the organization is straight up ignorant to how hockey has changed since then.

You all remember how, leading into the 2016 playoffs - the Sharks were considered a fast team? The Pens system took what Chicago did and made it better before anyone else caught on.

Hell - half the analysts still talked (go watch those games) about how the Pens were not physical enough to win. That was hockey then. (Frankly might work again now)....

Since then - everyone skates fast and we've gotten older. But Sullivan insists that having less scoring in the lineup, so long as we can sit 10th on a PK is a recipe to repeat the former glory. Unbelievable.

The Penguins did not play Chicago's system at all.

 

[canadianguy77]

Definitely need a winger or two who can erupt for a goal out of nowhere if Sid or Geno are having a rough night. Feels like if they struggle now, the chances of their linemates scoring are practically zero.

It shouldn’t be like that, especially at this stage of their careers. Not saying we need superstars or anything, just decent top 6-ish guys who can make a dynamic play here or there.

Legitimate scoring wingers don’t need their centermen to create every single thing.

 

[Ryder71]

Definitely need a winger or two who can erupt for a goal out of nowhere if Sid or Geno are having a rough night. Feels like if they struggle now, the chances of their linemates scoring are practically zero.

It shouldn’t be like that, especially at this stage of their careers. Not saying we need superstars or anything, just decent top 6-ish guys who can make a dynamic play here or there.

Legitimate scoring wingers don’t need their centermen to create every single thing.

My dear friend, don't worry, Koivunen should be here 25-26.

 

[Pens1566]

Definitely need a winger or two who can erupt for a goal out of nowhere if Sid or Geno are having a rough night. Feels like if they struggle now, the chances of their linemates scoring are practically zero.

It shouldn’t be like that, especially at this stage of their careers. Not saying we need superstars or anything, just decent top 6-ish guys who can make a dynamic play here or there.

Legitimate scoring wingers don’t need their centermen to create every single thing.

Yep. Just like Kessel when he first came here. Only problem is you probably need someone even more dynamic than that because Sid/Geno have regressed due to age. They're not the same as they were in '16.

 

[Jacob]

Duchene would be a nice fit here. Can create on his own. Could be Sid's wing or Malkin's center. Seems to have a reputation that makes him a little undervalued (or at least it did last summer). Nearly a PPG player despite playing under 17 minutes a night.

I'd certainly take him at 6, maybe up to 7 million on a shorter deal, like 3 years.

 

[eXile3]

Definitely need a winger or two who can erupt for a goal out of nowhere if Sid or Geno are having a rough night. Feels like if they struggle now, the chances of their linemates scoring are practically zero.

It shouldn’t be like that, especially at this stage of their careers. Not saying we need superstars or anything, just decent top 6-ish guys who can make a dynamic play here or there.

Legitimate scoring wingers don’t need their centermen to create every single thing.

We had that. We traded him away for Bunting and some magic beans.

 

[orby]

Weird observation about 2 players recently mentioned in this thread...Matt Duchene and Nazem Kadri have identical scoring totals so far this year: 23 goals, 36 assists for 59 points in 68 games. They're both also the same age.

 

[Gurglesons]

Duchene would be a nice fit here. Can create on his own. Could be Sid's wing or Malkin's center. Seems to have a reputation that makes him a little undervalued (or at least it did last summer). Nearly a PPG player despite playing under 17 minutes a night.

I'd certainly take him at 6, maybe up to 7 million on a shorter deal, like 3 years.

I’m not sure Duchene is the type of player we need on this team.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I just heard that Accari has a 3 year contract.

WHY in the world would you give a guy like that a 3 YEAR contract??

FIRE EVERYONE

 

[Pens1566]

I’m not sure Duchene is the type of player we need on this team.

I think he'd be about the lowest I'd go on that front as far as skill goes. You're going to need to almost hit a home run in some form of reclamation project or bad contract in order to find someone that will make an impact on the level of what we need.

Like, taking on Huberdeau and having him bounce back to peak form.

 

[orby]

I think he'd be about the lowest I'd go on that front as far as skill goes. You're going to need to almost hit a home run in some form of reclamation project or bad contract in order to find someone that will make an impact on the level of what we need.

Like, taking on Huberdeau and having him bounce back to peak form.

Taking on Huberdeau as a reclamation project would be insane, but at least it'd be interesting. Provided that Sullivan isn't the coach...

 

[Pens1566]

Taking on Huberdeau as a reclamation project would be insane, but at least it'd be interesting. Provided that Sullivan isn't the coach...

Oh, I wasn't advocating for it. Unless the trade would really work out in our favor.

Just using it as an example of what we'd need to stay relevant and retool/bridge into whatever our next phase is post Sid/Geno/Letang.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

The season ended when Cartkins got hurt.

 

[Jacob]

Huberdeau at like 50% retained would be a gamble worth taking. Could get a PPG player for less than we were paying Guentzel.

 

[Ulf5]

Huberdeau at like 50% retained would be a gamble worth taking. Could get a PPG player for less than we were paying Guentzel.

We don't have the assets for $5.25 million retention for another 7 years lol, imo.

 

[Trade]

We don't have the assets for $5.25 million retention for another 7 years lol, imo.

EK for Huberdeau?

 

[orby]

EK for Huberdeau?

The thought crossed my mind! For either player to be successful here, though, I think we'd need a new coach behind the bench, and trading EK for Huberdeau opens up a hole on the defense that I no longer trust that Letang can fill. They're in a tough spot.

 

[BusinessGoose]

If yall think we gonna sign a FA winger who can create on their own.... Lol....

 

[molon labe]

EK for Huberdeau?

I think you could work Kadri in there and lower the ask on Kadri significantly.

Something like EK + Smith or whatever other asset to balance salary for JH/Kadri + Prospect.

Would at least be TRYING something different. That said, I'd love to just target Kadri individually and Duchene. Add two top 6 C's to create and carry the load on nights where Sid isn't producing. Malkin is likely a 50-65 point winger at this point in his career and that's totally fine for both his salary and legacy as a Penguin. What's NOT fine is keeping him at 2C just for the sake of it and leaving the weight of the world on Sid for 82 games.

 

[Gurglesons]

6. It has to be said: It’s extremely funny that the Penguins — who have struggled all year to find depth scoring — shipped out Alex Nylander and a sixth for Emil Bemstrom.

What may have seemed like a nothing swap at the time now looks like yet another cruel jab at this mess of a Penguins season. Since the deal, Nylander has eight goals and 11 points in 12 games plus 57 percent of the goals and expected goals on a bad Columbus team. He’s been so good that he’s now playing on Columbus’ top line and his average Game Score since the deal is 1.3. That’s higher than every single Penguin during the time frame — ouch.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Friedman reports the Penguins are interested in signing Collin Graf who will be the top available college hockey free agent.