Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Rust lost his buzzsaw qualities and defensive acumen years ago. Dude's late-stage Kunitz anymore, but Kunitz had the hockey IQ to at least be in the right spots. Rust just kinda goes for a skate around the ice.

 

[Pancakes]

How about try Rakell on that top unit to see if that works? Switching to Petry for a couple of games before going back to Rust doesn't sound like much of an effort to improve things to me.

No arguments here. But it's gonna suck regardless until the coaching staff/players figure it out. Like I said, put McDavid on there and we'd still f*** it up right now. The decisions that our top players are making on that PP are horrible. Swapping one player out for another isn't gonna do much when the other 4 are still big f*** ups.

 

[pistolpete11]

Doesn't change the fact that Rust has continued to suck ass even on Malkin's line. Rust's failures are entirely his own doing. Sullivan has nothing to do with them.

I mean god Sullivan couldn't give Rust cushier deployments than he has. All the Crosby time he can want. All the Malkin time he can want. All the #1 pp time he can want. Sullivan has given Rust everything and Rust continues to shit the bed this year.

Like I said, it doesn't mean everything else is hunky dory.

But if they were sitting in 2nd place in the division instead of barely holding onto the second wild card spot, people wouldn't be writing lists of all the offseason moves where the starting premise is "Why it is failing?".

 

[Pancakes]

Like I said, it doesn't mean everything else is hunky dory.

But if they were sitting in 2nd place in the division instead of barely holding onto the second wild card spot, people wouldn't be writing lists of all the offseason moves where the starting premise is "Why it is failing?".

To be honest, I think we're right where we should be in the standings. We're the fourth best team in the division, and that's where we currently are.

Anyone who thinks we're better than that is I think deluding themselves.

 

[Gurglesons]

To be honest, I think we're right where we should be in the standings. We're the fourth best team in the division, and that's where we currently are.

Anyone who thinks we're better than that is I think deluding themselves.

You think the Isles and Canes are better than us?

 

[ronduguayshair]

Just to emphasize the point more:

Petry: 22 games, 3 goals and 9 points, +4, -0.29% xGF%Rel, 21:35 TOI/game
Matheson: 4 games, 1 goal and 2 points, -2, +3.36% xGF%, 23:48 TOI/game

I fundamentally can't comprehend how someone can say that Petry hasn't been anywhere near as advertised while Matheson has been good. I can see saying Matheson has been good, albeit in a small sample size, but what is Petry possibly lacking with his play on the year overall?

This fanbase as a whole really bothers me sometimes with the whipping boys/golden boys they pick out. Petry had 8 penalty minutes in his first 3 games of the year and people just now non-stop say he's been a problem because of his penalties.

People are lazy. I don’t think half the people here watch the games just vies the stats.

 

[Pancakes]

You think the Isles and Canes are better than us?

I think the Devils, Canes, and Rangers are. I'm not sold on the Isles. Their metrics arent that great, though they do have a really good goalie.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think the Devils, Canes, and Rangers are. I'm not sold on the Isles. Their metrics arent that great, though they do have a really good goalie.

I think the Devils and Canes are in, and the last two spots will be a fight between the Isles, Pens and Rangers. I figure the Isles will be in and the Pens will eek in, but if Shesterkin remembers how to be an elite goalie, the Rangers could be trouble.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think the Devils, Canes, and Rangers are. I'm not sold on the Isles. Their metrics arent that great, though they do have a really good goalie.

Devils are. Every other Metro teams is as 50/50 as us.

Isles have sorokin tho

 

[Pancakes]

Devils are. Every other Metro teams is as 50/50 as us.

Isles have sorokin tho

Well yeah I'm not speaking in terms of records or whatever I just mean in terms of rosters. Over time I'd expect the Metro to finish this way:

NJ
Car
Nyr
Pitt
Nyi

It might not end up that way because of the Isles getting goaltending and those other teams not playing up to their potential

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Sorokin is playing the role Shesterkin played last season where the goalie is elevating a relatively flawed team. The Isles don't have premiere guys like Panarin, Fox, Kreider and Zibanejad though.

Goalies on a run can do some wild shit, obviously, but I'm not super impressed with anybody outside of the Devils in the Metro. Everybody bangs on about how the Metro is some murderer's row of teams and I think it's probably just that the Metro is the closest division from top to bottom, so it's much more competitive than others.

Wouldn't expect Washington to sort things out in time to make a strong push, but as they get more healthy, I could see them playing spoiler to teams down the stretch and stealing valuable points as the season whittles away.

-edit- werds r hard

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Then why let the dog shit all over the rug, when we could have let him out into the yard a few games ago?

Because we love our dog and it is pouring outside?

Smith is t-17th in AHL Dmen scoring, t-30st in ppg among Dmen who have played within 3 games of him.

For people who watch him, is it because he's being made to play a defensive game?

He's playing top pair minutes with Friedman. Friedman the more "defensive" of the two but not by much. I'd say the lack of production is because of the PP not capitalizing as much as it should. And because our forwards really aren't all that skilled.

Then again, WBS is 8th out of 32 for points percentage. That's something to consider.

 

[Andy99]

Well yeah I'm not speaking in terms of records or whatever I just mean in terms of rosters. Over time I'd expect the Metro to finish this way:

NJ
Car
Nyr
Pitt
Nyi

It might not end up that way because of the Isles getting goaltending and those other teams not playing up to their potential

Would go
NJ
Car
Isles
Rags
Pitt

 

[Gurglesons]

Well yeah I'm not speaking in terms of records or whatever I just mean in terms of rosters. Over time I'd expect the Metro to finish this way:

NJ
Car
Nyr
Pitt
Nyi

It might not end up that way because of the Isles getting goaltending and those other teams not playing up to their potential

I don’t see the Rangers finishing 3rd. They do not have the forward depth to compete against the other four teams.

 

[eXile3]

Devils are. Every other Metro teams is as 50/50 as us.

Isles have sorokin tho

Yeah I don’t watch a lot is Isle games because they’re a garbage organization and why would I but just by looking at numbers it seems they’re being held up by goaltending and you’ll see some regression at some point.

 

[McGroarty2]

I don’t see the Rangers finishing 3rd. They do not have the forward depth to compete against the other four teams.

I think they are going after Kane from Chicago. Just a hunch.

 

[chethejet]

Devils are a product of some teams just not that good like the Pens and Caps as to standings right now. Islanders have to grind 80 games and that is hard to do. Devils will come back to the pack as they will regress to the mean. Rangers still have the talent to be a force here and Canes just have depth to out roster most teams. Pens need to make a couple smart moves here and not sure Hextall is that GM. Jarry getting healthy and playing better is a must.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think they are going after Kane from Chicago. Just a hunch.

Kane goes to Boston IMO.

 

[MeinerEiner]

Devils are a product of some teams just not that good like the Pens and Caps as to standings right now. Islanders have to grind 80 games and that is hard to do. Devils will come back to the pack as they will regress to the mean. Rangers still have the talent to be a force here and Canes just have depth to out roster most teams. Pens need to make a couple smart moves here and not sure Hextall is that GM. Jarry getting healthy and playing better is a must.

Jarry saved 94 of 96 shots in the last 3 games. I think he's doing his job and gives the team a real chance to win, other than Rust for example.

 

[Pancakes]

I don’t see the Rangers finishing 3rd. They do not have the forward depth to compete against the other four teams.

I think it more depends on if Shesterkin comes around. The Rangers have been a top 10 team analytically 5v5 this year. They just don't have as a good a PP as last year and their goaltending has been only average instead of amazing.

 

[SteadyYeti]

Ottawà Senators

+ ($2,500,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)
Teddy Bluegrass


San Jose Sharks

Jeff Petry
+ ($3,000,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)


PIT - Erik Karlsson ($6,000,000)

 

[SEALBound]

Devils are a product of some teams just not that good like the Pens and Caps as to standings right now. Islanders have to grind 80 games and that is hard to do. Devils will come back to the pack as they will regress to the mean. Rangers still have the talent to be a force here and Canes just have depth to out roster most teams. Pens need to make a couple smart moves here and not sure Hextall is that GM. Jarry getting healthy and playing better is a must.

Devils are a team where all of their good players are playing good. They don't really have anyone underperforming at the moment. I do not believe that will last the entire season. At some point, some guys will regress. Then it's a matter of - can those performing well cover enough for those not playing well. A prime Sid or Geno or McDavid can do that. Can a prime Hughes or Hischier?

Islanders are being propped up by goaltending. Canes and Rangers are in the same boat as us - decent roster with some gaps, hit and miss performance.

Caps are pretty devasted by injuries. Hard to say if they will get guys back in time to turn things around. I have my doubts.

Ottawà Senators

+ ($2,500,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)
Teddy Bluegrass


San Jose Sharks

Jeff Petry
+ ($3,000,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)


PIT - Erik Karlsson ($6,000,000)

I think the Senators want Karlsson...so I'm not sure they are too keen on taking salary for him and getting a $4.7mil Teddy Bleuger who is a UFA at the end of the season.

That said, I do like where your head is at.

 

[SteadyYeti]

Dumoulin for Drouin

Ottawà Senators

+ ($2,500,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)
Teddy Bluegrass


San Jose Sharks

Jeff Petry
+ ($3,000,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)


PIT - Erik Karlsson ($6,000,000)

Devils are a team where all of their good players are playing good. They don't really have anyone underperforming at the moment. I do not believe that will last the entire season. At some point, some guys will regress. Then it's a matter of - can those performing well cover enough for those not playing well. A prime Sid or Geno or McDavid can do that. Can a prime Hughes or Hischier?

Islanders are being propped up by goaltending. Canes and Rangers are in the same boat as us - decent roster with some gaps, hit and miss performance.

Caps are pretty devasted by injuries. Hard to say if they will get guys back in time to turn things around. I have my doubts.


I think the Senators want Karlsson...so I'm not sure they are too keen on taking salary for him and getting a $4.7mil Teddy Bleuger who is a UFA at the end of the season.

That said, I do like where your head is at.

It's a flip to Boston for a 2nd Rd pick

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I like the enthusiasm.

 

[66-30-33]

Ottawà Senators

+ ($2,500,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)
Teddy Bluegrass


San Jose Sharks

Jeff Petry
+ ($3,000,000 - Erik Karlsson salary)


PIT - Erik Karlsson ($6,000,000)

You have me sold on how little he gets. f*** off Letang, Karlsson is now the top PP dman for us. Now if Letang still ran things I would say we have no coach, the team is run by the players and that's why we suck.

Sully: Ok Letang Karlsson is now running the PP.
Letang: No he isn't.
Sully: Ok he isn't, you're still the man...sorry to bother you with this!
Letang: You better be.