Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

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OtherThingsILike

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The Pens just had a great 2 weeks following 2 awful weeks.
True, and while I don't think Moneypuck is perfect or anything, I do think it's worth considering the possibility that the team's 6-1-1 record in their past eight games is significantly more indicative of their actual skill level than the 1-6-1 stretch of eight games that preceded it.
 

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The analytical sites probably like us because we continue to have strong underlying numbers despite our record.

Moneypuck has us 9th in the league in 5v5 xgoals %. If you swap that to all situations our numbers (improbably considering our lol PP) has us at 7th in the league in xgoals.

That's probably why they like us. Though I don't understand why they like us more the Rangers considering the Rangers have better analytics than we do this year and have better goaltending as well.
 

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If Zucker comes at 3M sure I'd keep him around. If Dumo comes cheaper and plays as a bottom pairing dman? sure i'd keep him around. I'm fine with no big names since we have until Crosby retires before we decide to blow it up, so someone like Greenway would be nice to have here. We probably wont ever make it past the 1st round again though.
Why on earth would you keep Dumo around, even at a massive discount? It’s this type of reasoning that led this team to having such a stale roster.

Maybe we can’t make it past the first round because we continue to make lazy signings and can’t admit that our goaltending sucks in the playoffs?
 
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Pens have Smith ready to go on the 3rd LD. Rutta and Smith works. Now I do agree Pens need a physical presence on LD and not sure POJ can play that part with his size limitations. He can be physical but not that much. His assets are skating and puck management. Petts is a decent #2 LD and good 3. But if Hextall can move that contract in the off season which should be easier with only 2 years left, Pens have cap space to add what in needed. Dumo has to go since he is declining and even moving him down, he is not the D man who improves from here. RD is set but Hextall has to draft as many RD and RW's as he can all things being equal.
 

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Pens have Smith ready to go on the 3rd LD. Rutta and Smith works. Now I do agree Pens need a physical presence on LD and not sure POJ can play that part with his size limitations. He can be physical but not that much. His assets are skating and puck management. Petts is a decent #2 LD and good 3. But if Hextall can move that contract in the off season which should be easier with only 2 years left, Pens have cap space to add what in needed. Dumo has to go since he is declining and even moving him down, he is not the D man who improves from here. RD is set but Hextall has to draft as many RD and RW's as he can all things being equal.
seems like center should be at or near the top of what we draft. sid and geno aren't getting any younger and it could take a little time to get one ready.
 

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Well Sid and Geno have 3 years so yes center is a position of need then. But I suspect the Pens will add a FA center to the mix by then and the real issues are the rebuild and how fast that can be done depending on draft and who is really there to take. I just don't think the pens will be that bad to have the pick of the number one player. Even then there are more uncertain players as to what they become vs a Sid or Geno. But maybe Pens can have a really good roster and win on that vs star generational players that just don't come along that often.
 

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seems like center should be at or near the top of what we draft. sid and geno aren't getting any younger and it could take a little time to get one ready.
You're very unlikely to get a top center in the 2nd half of the first round and extremely unlikely to get one that can be the driving force of a championship team. The Penguins are going to be very bad once 87, 71, and 58 retire. It's too late to avoid that at this point
 
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I’d offer Contract Zucker a one year contract. That way we have a chance of seeing Contract Zucker next season, instead of that glass slug on ice he’s been for 3+ years.

He likely takes a multi year deal elsewhere, and that would be fine by me. I’d take 5M (or 4, etc) in cap space over any version of Zucker, any day of the week.
 

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You're very unlikely to get a top center in the 2nd half of the first round and extremely unlikely to get one that can be the driving force of a championship team. The Penguins are going to be very bad once 87, 71, and 58 retire. It's too late to avoid that at this point
We can still hope for Bedard lol
 

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You're very unlikely to get a top center in the 2nd half of the first round and extremely unlikely to get one that can be the driving force of a championship team. The Penguins are going to be very bad once 87, 71, and 58 retire. It's too late to avoid that at this point
i think it would be easier to move up a little and get one than try to get one through fa. and it would be a lot easier to get a wing than a center in fa/or in house.
 

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You're very unlikely to get a top center in the 2nd half of the first round and extremely unlikely to get one that can be the driving force of a championship team. The Penguins are going to be very bad once 87, 71, and 58 retire. It's too late to avoid that at this point
the way 58 is playing now, i think smith could fill in without much drop-off. as for 87&71 our only chance to replace them will be in the draft.
 

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i think it would be easier to move up a little and get one than try to get one through fa. and it would be a lot easier to get a wing than a center in fa/or in house.
Agreed that it's very difficult to get one through FA, but they're just going to have to be patient and wait until they really suck to get some top-5 picks. You can't take shortcuts in rebuilding, it will doom you for half a decade
 

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The Caps have just scored as many goals against the Flames as we have in 2 games lol…don’t look now but they’re about to win again
 

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They’re about to win their second consecutive game after they lost four in a row lol…not like they’re on some huge winning streak.
Their win though puts them only 2 points behind the Pens although we have 2 games in hand…but if we lose the b2b games today and tomorrow we’re basically equal with the Caps even though their season has basically been shit…that’s how precarious Pens’ position is
 

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Wasn’t sure where to put this…I thought this was a pretty good summary of the moves made so far…from another poster on another site…

“Here's what I envision Ron Hextall's plan was this offseason:

1. Bring the core back
--Why it is failing? Hextall, Burke, and management believed that poor goaltending/goalie injuries was the true cause of last seasons early demise. That may be true, but age is also a factor. This team is not young, and the decline of the big 3 is coming. Even if their regular season allows them to still put up a point per game pace, their playoff performances have not been anywhere close to enough for this team to succeed in the post season.

2. Add Jeff Petry
--Why it is failing? The reasoning was, if Letang goes down with injury, Petry is better suited to be a #1 d-man replacement than Matheson. Petry also added some size and physical play from the backend. The reality is, Letang isn't injured...just awful, and Petry hasn't been anywhere near as advertised. Meanwhile Matheson has looked good in his limited Montreal play (started season injured).

3. Add Jan Rutta
--Why it is failing? I'd say this one isn't failing. Some questioned the salary, but Rutta has been pretty rock solid so far. I don't think Ruhwedel or Friedman were as capable, just cheaper.

4. Add Ty Smith
--Why it is failing? Marino had clearly regressed in the Penguins system. There were rumors of too much involvement from his dad/parents. The Penguins were enamored with Ty Smith's offensive abilities. I like the player very much before the Penguins acquired him...but, it is evident his defense still needs work. Marino is flourishing in NJ, whether riding a hot team or playing in a system better suited for his skillset. Meanwhile, Smith is toiling in the AHL...partially because of needed defensive work, partially because of poor cap management.

5. Adding Josh Archibald
--Why it is failing? Again, this is one Hextall got right. I wasn't happy with this add. I thought we had enough in-house players to fill this role, but Archibald has exceeded expectations to this point.

6. Re-signing Jeff Carter
--Why it is failing? This one happened early, which confused everyone. Carter had 20 goals in his first 43 games as a Penguin. Since signing the new deal, he has 10 goals in his last 60 games as a Penguin (this data is about a week old). He's been great on faceoffs, but the decline is surely on for Carter. There will be questions of how much he has left in the tank come playoff time, as last year, he was gassed.

7. Re-signing Rakell and Rust
--Why it is failing? It isn't failing. Rust is struggling right now. Too soon to call this a failure. Rakell is playing well. My thought on both was always go with good value $$$ and term, so in 2 years, you can flip them both for picks to begin stockpiling for the rebuild.

8. Adding Ryan Poehling
--Why it is failing? It isn't. I think it is still a bit too early to tell what we have here. I think the vision was an eventual replacement for Blueger, for less than half the cost. We'll see if Poehling shows enough over the long haul to do just that.

9. The $$$/term contracts for Malkin/Letang
--Why it is failing? Too early to tell. Obviously the $$$ is great value, but, what happens if this team falls flat AGAIN this season come playoff time. Do you just run it back AGAIN with the OLDEST team in the league? Their locked into this group.

10. Re-signing Kasperi Kapanen
--Why it is failing? Because nobody had a clue Hextall was dumb enough to pay Kapanen a premium coming off a poor season. Kapanen's 3.2M salary was set based off his 20 goal, 44 point season in 18-19 in Toronto. His goal totals fell off the next season for the Leafs. He put up good numbers his first year in PIT, 11 goals in 40 games, but again, his numbers fell off the following year. Same money shouldn't have been an option. That was bad. A 2nd year was just outright asinine, and Hextall is paying for it now.”
 
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Wasn’t sure where to put this…I thought this was a pretty good summary of the moves made so far…from another poster on another site…

“Here's what I envision Ron Hextall's plan was this offseason:

1. Bring the core back
--Why it is failing? Hextall, Burke, and management believed that poor goaltending/goalie injuries was the true cause of last seasons early demise. That may be true, but age is also a factor. This team is not young, and the decline of the big 3 is coming. Even if their regular season allows them to still put up a point per game pace, their playoff performances have not been anywhere close to enough for this team to succeed in the post season.

2. Add Jeff Petry
--Why it is failing? The reasoning was, if Letang goes down with injury, Petry is better suited to be a #1 d-man replacement than Matheson. Petry also added some size and physical play from the backend. The reality is, Letang isn't injured...just awful, and Petry hasn't been anywhere near as advertised. Meanwhile Matheson has looked good in his limited Montreal play (started season injured).

3. Add Jan Rutta
--Why it is failing? I'd say this one isn't failing. Some questioned the salary, but Rutta has been pretty rock solid so far. I don't think Ruhwedel or Friedman were as capable, just cheaper.

4. Add Ty Smith
--Why it is failing? Marino had clearly regressed in the Penguins system. There were rumors of too much involvement from his dad/parents. The Penguins were enamored with Ty Smith's offensive abilities. I like the player very much before the Penguins acquired him...but, it is evident his defense still needs work. Marino is flourishing in NJ, whether riding a hot team or playing in a system better suited for his skillset. Meanwhile, Smith is toiling in the AHL...partially because of needed defensive work, partially because of poor cap management.

5. Adding Josh Archibald
--Why it is failing? Again, this is one Hextall got right. I wasn't happy with this add. I thought we had enough in-house players to fill this role, but Archibald has exceeded expectations to this point.

6. Re-signing Jeff Carter
--Why it is failing? This one happened early, which confused everyone. Carter had 20 goals in his first 43 games as a Penguin. Since signing the new deal, he has 10 goals in his last 60 games as a Penguin (this data is about a week old). He's been great on faceoffs, but the decline is surely on for Carter. There will be questions of how much he has left in the tank come playoff time, as last year, he was gassed.

7. Re-signing Rakell and Rust
--Why it is failing? It isn't failing. Rust is struggling right now. Too soon to call this a failure. Rakell is playing well. My thought on both was always go with good value $$$ and term, so in 2 years, you can flip them both for picks to begin stockpiling for the rebuild.

8. Adding Ryan Poehling
--Why it is failing? It isn't. I think it is still a bit too early to tell what we have here. I think the vision was an eventual replacement for Blueger, for less than half the cost. We'll see if Poehling shows enough over the long haul to do just that.

9. The $$$/term contracts for Malkin/Letang
--Why it is failing? Too early to tell. Obviously the $$$ is great value, but, what happens if this team falls flat AGAIN this season come playoff time. Do you just run it back AGAIN with the OLDEST team in the league? Their locked into this group.

10. Re-signing Kasperi Kapanen
--Why it is failing? Because nobody had a clue Hextall was dumb enough to pay Kapanen a premium coming off a poor season. Kapanen's 3.2M salary was set based off his 20 goal, 44 point season in 18-19 in Toronto. His goal totals fell off the next season for the Leafs. He put up good numbers his first year in PIT, 11 goals in 40 games, but again, his numbers fell off the following year. Same money shouldn't have been an option. That was bad. A 2nd year was just outright asinine, and Hextall is paying for it now.”

None of these are failing outside of Rust and Kapanen and both of those are failing because of our coach.
 

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None of these are failing outside of Rust and Kapanen and both of those are failing because of our coach.
I wouldnt say both are failing because of the coach…the coach contributes to them playing or not playing in certain situations… Has he made the best use of them? No, but I think Rust would be on the struggle bus regardless of what line he’s put on (seems like an injury and lack of confidence to me) and Kap looks like he should be back in the lineup but has been the worst forward when he played…no one has looked good with Carter, except McGinn, so I’m not sure where he’s going to improve, and unless he shows he’s hard on the forecheck, he should not be considered for L2…other than playing him on L3, not sure what Sullivan can do there…we’ll see..if he looks good after a few games and Rust does not, Sullivan should swap the players..
 

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The only reason there is a "things are failing" narrative is because the coach was too stubborn to admit he was wrong about GCRu. They're what...11-2-2...without that line together? Even if they don't keep that pace during the 7 game losing streak, I have no doubts they pick up a few more points and would be sitting more comfortably in the playoffs.

That doesn't mean everything else is hunky dory, but people would be a lot more patient if they weren't on the bubble.
 
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