Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Matheson was in a sheltered 3rd pairing role for the majority of his time here.

Petry is eating up the big defensive minutes while Letang gets the butter soft ones and Letang is still sucking ass.



If I watch Letang, I see a player trying to do way too much.

Matheson had an average of 18:50 TOI in his time here, with essentially zero PK time on average. Petry's at 21:35 TOI with 1:55 TOI on the PK. At ES, they're basically the same caliber defenseman. Petry's just older, more expensive, a worse skater, but he's more physical and gets a buncha PK time for our extremely successful PK unit. So, hats off to the guy.

You're right that Letang's far worse though. On that we agree. Oh well, at least he's only around for 5 more years after this one.

 

[Gurglesons]

Petry has never been a high PIM guy. His average per 82 games over the course of his career is 34 and that's getting 22min a night. Matheson had 33 last year in 74 games playing 18min a night. Plus you gotta expect a few more with a physical player like Petry.

I expect the PIM to settle down some as he adjusts to the system more and more and the NHL slips back into the grind of the regular season. Might have already started. He hasn't taken a penalty in 5 games and counting.

A lot of the initial PIMs were typical early season put your stick down shit. That'll be gone in a few months. Hell, go watch the Marino highlights, he's getting away with a tremendous amount of interference.

Matheson had an average of 18:50 TOI in his time here, with essentially zero PK time on average. Petry's at 21:35 TOI with 1:55 TOI on the PK. At ES, they're basically the same caliber defenseman. Petry's just older, more expensive, a worse skater, but he's more physical and gets a buncha PK time for our extremely successful PK unit. So, hats off to the guy.

You're right that Letang's far worse though. On that we agree. Oh well, at least he's only around for 5 more years after this one.

 

[eXile3]

I'm dead serious when I say that this team is going to ADD assets this year before selling them. They are going balls deep to keep that playoff streak alive ala Detroit

If we trade our 1st or 2nd I will be jacked.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

If we trade our 1st or 2nd I will be jacked.

Get ready to be jacked!!

(phrasing?)

 

[eXile3]

I blame Hextall and Burke just as much as I do Sully. The Petry vs MM/Marino I gave a little time and maybe even a little more before I fully judge but some of his moves I haven’t been impressed with.

The Carter trade wasn’t a bad one but resigning him was. Resigning Kap. Giving McCann away. The McGinn and Ruuta were alright but limit out cap space.

It’s like none of his moves have been awful team killers but in the aggregate they add up.

 

[Gurglesons]

I blame Hextall and Burke just as much as I do Sully. The Petry vs MM/Marino I gave a little time and maybe even a little more before I fully judge but some of his moves I haven’t been impressed with.

The Carter trade wasn’t a bad one but resigning him was. Resigning Kap. Giving McCann away. The McGinn and Ruuta were alright but limit out cap space.

It’s like none of his moves have been awful team killers but in the aggregate they add up.

Wish we would've kept McCann so Sullivan could scratch him at 5 mil instead of Kapanen at 3.25 to prove Sid and Rust and Jake a point.

 

[SEALBound]

Wish we would've kept McCann so Sullivan could scratch him at 5 mil instead of Kapanen at 3.25 to prove Sid and Rust and Jake a point.

I was woulda, coulda, shoulda-ing last night after checking in the the Kraken. Imagine if we kept McCann over Kapanen. Possible that we may not have resigned Carter. Could be running something like:

Jake-Sid-Rakell
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
Heinen-McCann-McGinn
Archi-Bleuger-Poehling

right now. And, technically, we'd have about $1.5mil in extra space.

 

[Gurglesons]

I was woulda, coulda, shoulda-ing last night after checking in the the Kraken. Imagine if we kept McCann over Kapanen. Possible that we may not have resigned Carter. Could be running something like:

Jake-Sid-Rakell
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
Heinen-McCann-McGinn
Archi-Bleuger-Poehling

right now. And, technically, we'd have about $1.5mil in extra space.

Jared McCann has the same amount of points as Jeff Carter for 2 more mil.

 

[SEALBound]

Jared McCann has the same amount of points as Jeff Carter for 2 more mil.

McCann outscored him last year though and if I'm a betting man, I say he does this year as well.

That said, there's nothing that says we would have signed him to the same $5mil deal. I think we could have easily done a 4x4 with him.

So in that sense, I would rather have McCann at $4mil than Carter+Kapanen at $6.5mil.

 

[Gurglesons]

McCann outscored him last year though and if I'm a betting man, I say he does this year as well.

That said, there's nothing that says we would have signed him to the same $5mil deal. I think we could have easily done a 4x4 with him.

So in that sense, I would rather have McCann at $4mil than Carter+Kapanen at $6.5mil.

I mean if I can just make up players taking lesser deals I would do it too.

McCann produced more because his coach used him. Sullivan played McCann the least out of our forwards when we had a healthy roster and scratched him for Gaudreau.

 

[McGroarty2]

A new coach could absolutely still get us into the playoffs this year, and some luck with a trade or two could help us win a round, and then you just hope for good matchups and injuries.

I hated the Rust deal, because you just signed Kessel Jr. for like 20 years when he's 30, but he can still be useful if you put him in the right situation. We are just overusing struggling players and putting them in a position to fail, and we're underusing guys who are playing great hockey. You could probably have just let Rust walk and signed old as dirt Kessel and got the same results for a lot less cash, at least then the coach would be realistic about the deployments.

Even the media guys can see it, and are willing to talk about it. And some of them have no F'ing idea what they're watching.

Rust is only signed for 6 years. Sullivan is the one signed for 20 years.

 

[Pancakes]

Carter's got a 44% xgoals which is pretty awful. Second worst on the team after Kapanen. Doesn't possess the puck very well either, with a 46% CF.

In fairness to Carter, he does get absolutely buried with d-zone starts. For some reason Sullivan starts him only 30% in the o-zone.

Personally, I'd use Carter in the exact opposite way that Sullivan likes to use him. Give him soft matchups, give him easy o-zone starts. Coax a little offense and a few soft minutes out of him. Let our top six or Blueger handle the tough assignments. Imo the only positive of Carter's game at this point in his career is that he can occasionally chip in a little bit of offense. He is not suited for shutdown assignments at all. I don't know why Sullivan uses him that way.

 

[vodeni]

I was woulda, coulda, shoulda-ing last night after checking in the the Kraken. Imagine if we kept McCann over Kapanen. Possible that we may not have resigned Carter. Could be running something like:

Jake-Sid-Rakell
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
Heinen-McCann-McGinn
Archi-Bleuger-Poehling

right now. And, technically, we'd have about $1.5mil in extra space.

man, this looks good, it looked good before, it still looks great. If there was ever a move by Sully that was worthy of firing, was killing McCann's mojo after he flourish as a centerman to accomodate his preconcieved ideas who should play what...

Carter's got a 44% xgoals which is pretty awful. Second worst on the team after Kapanen. Doesn't possess the puck very well either, with a 46% CF.

In fairness to Carter, he does get absolutely buried with d-zone starts. For some reason Sullivan starts him only 30% in the o-zone.

Personally, I'd use Carter in the exact opposite way that Sullivan likes to use him. Give him soft matchups, give him easy o-zone starts. Coax a little offense and a few soft minutes out of him. Let our top six or Blueger handle the tough assignments. Imo the only positive of Carter's game at this point in his career is that he can occasionally chip in a little bit of offense. He is not suited for shutdown assignments at all. I don't know why Sullivan uses him that way.

maybe we get Danny or Taylor to ask him this question, it worked with dumo and Rust Rakell swap

 

[Victor Z]

Hell, go watch the Marino highlights, he's getting away with a tremendous amount of interference.

Not to overstate the obvious, but:

Petry plays for the Penguins; Marino no longer plays for the Penguins.

Marino has to be delighted that he no longer gets called for every little wussy "hooking", "holding", "tripping" penalty that the Game Managers decide to hand out to Penguin players. Conversely, Petry probably can't yet believe how he NOW suddenly gets called for every wussy little thing when he's gotten away with 75% of that stuff on a nightly basis throughout his career.

When it comes to this sort of thing, you've got to make adjustments for "Penguin refereeing". Because Penguin players rarely do anything physical (except by sheer accident) that can be called a penalty, the Game Managers have to (over)compensate by calling all the ticky-tack shit against the Pens whenever possible so that the PP opportunities balance as much as possible. What else is "Game Management" even about?

Petry will probably adjust soon, if he hasn't already.

 

[Pancakes]

Not to overstate the obvious, but:

Petry plays for the Penguins; Marino no longer plays for the Penguins.

Marino has to be delighted that he no longer gets called for every little wussy "hooking", "holding", "tripping" penalty that the Game Managers decide to hand out to Penguin players. Conversely, Petry probably can't yet believe how he NOW suddenly gets called for every wussy little thing when he's gotten away with 75% of that stuff on a nightly basis throughout his career.

When it comes to this sort of thing, you've got to make adjustments for "Penguin refereeing". Because Penguin players rarely do anything physical (except by sheer accident) that can be called a penalty, the Game Managers have to (over)compensate by calling all the ticky-tack shit against the Pens whenever possible so that the PP opportunities balance as much as possible. What else is "Game Management" even about?

Petry will probably adjust soon, if he hasn't already.

We've consistently been one of the least penalized teams in the league under Mike Sullivan.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I would be fine with us taking more penalties if a) they're roughing, etc. or b) it spurs us to improve the PK.

Every year we Lady Bing our way right into Trouba's elbow.

 

[McGroarty2]

Was the idea ever that Petry would play above Letang when we acquired him?

He does get paid more

 

[SEALBound]

I mean if I can just make up players taking lesser deals I would do it too.

McCann produced more because his coach used him. Sullivan played McCann the least out of our forwards when we had a healthy roster and scratched him for Gaudreau.

Eventually SOMEONE will take the pay cut to play with Crosby and Malkin. Has to happen eventually.

While I'm at it:

Jake-Sid-Kane
Rakell-Malkin-Tarasanko
Heinen-Carter-Rust
Poehling-Bleuger-Archibald

In this scenario, Zucker for Kane @50% and Kapanen+McGinn for Tarasanko @50%

 

[edog37]

As for the whole buy/sell thing, I think Hextall's already on thin ice based on the stuff from May about FSG not being convinced he was right for the job anymore, and asking him to make a powerpoint presentation for the class to explain his general ideas moving forward.

If anything gets done, buy or sell, I think it'll happen closer to the deadline, if not in the off-season. I think this team's just gonna try and ride out the storm despite the boat already being full of holes and taking on water before the skies even went dark this season.

if they miss the playoffs or get bounced in the first round, both Hextall & Burke will be gone.

 

[edog37]

Eventually SOMEONE will take the pay cut to play with Crosby and Malkin. Has to happen eventually.

While I'm at it:

Jake-Sid-Kane
Rakell-Malkin-Tarasanko
Heinen-Carter-Rust
Poehling-Bleuger-Archibald

In this scenario, Zucker for Kane @50% and Kapanen+McGinn for Tarasanko @50%

Why in the world would the team want to get even older by adding Kane who's having an awful year? Zucker has been the better player. No one is taking Kapanen at any price.

 

[edog37]

Rossi advocates for waiving Kapanen and trading for Tanner Jeannot from Nashville.

they won't get Jeannot since they have nothing to trade with, but they absolutely should waive Kapanen at this point.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Carter's got a 44% xgoals which is pretty awful. Second worst on the team after Kapanen. Doesn't possess the puck very well either, with a 46% CF.

In fairness to Carter, he does get absolutely buried with d-zone starts. For some reason Sullivan starts him only 30% in the o-zone.

Personally, I'd use Carter in the exact opposite way that Sullivan likes to use him. Give him soft matchups, give him easy o-zone starts. Coax a little offense and a few soft minutes out of him. Let our top six or Blueger handle the tough assignments. Imo the only positive of Carter's game at this point in his career is that he can occasionally chip in a little bit of offense. He is not suited for shutdown assignments at all. I don't know why Sullivan uses him that way.

After this season, we have another year of both Carter AND Kap at a combined ~$6M. Is anyone happy with that?

Tell me you couldn't bring in a top 4 defender for that kind of money or a top flight winger. Stupid ass 2 year deals has crushed any roster flexibility

 

[Empoleon8771]

After this season, we have another year of both Carter AND Kap at a combined ~$6M. Is anyone happy with that?

Tell me you couldn't bring in a top 4 defender for that kind of money or a top flight winger. Stupid ass 2 year deals has crushed any roster flexibility

Honestly, I'm not sure they really need a top-4 defender going forward.

I don't feel confident in what their plans are with POJ, but my guess would be that they're planning on running with these D pairs going forward:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

How this defense does really rides on how Letang and Petry are playing, but I don't really see any major issues with this defense. My only minor complaint is that they're pretty soft and small on LD.

 

[dogthateats]

Remember this guy haha

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah well I bet the team didn't miss out on anything with that pick, anyway. Let's have a look...

...ah f***