Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah, I mean, Marino sucked or was mediocre as hell pretty much his entire time outside of the first 50-60 games of his rookie year. In retrospect, that should be a red flag re: Ol' Todd's influence over the years.

It's interesting how he's playing in NJ, but he wasn't that guy here. /shrug Oh well.

 

[Darren McCord]

Marino is having success because he’s surrounded by size and talent. He’s essentially the smallest guy on their blue line. Last season he was one of the bigger ones on ours outside of Dumo and Pettersson who are wet noodles size wise.

Notice how Pettersson and POJ are having success due to their line mates?

Go read my posts with Jersey fans. I said Marino could find his game again it paired with Graves or Siegs. And he’s paired with Graves and doing well. No surprises.

Not arguing this and they kinda had to move Marino. Wish they would have gone with dumo tho and rebuilt a bigger left side

 

[Gurglesons]

Not arguing this and they kinda had to move Marino. Wish they would have gone with dumo tho and rebuilt a bigger left side

I think they would have to pay to move Dumoulin. I think it was nearly black and white that Hextall was not paying assets to make cap space.

Also, if we retained Petts and Marino guaranteed is the pairing.

 

[Darren McCord]

I think they would have to pay to move Dumoulin. I think it was nearly black and white that Hextall was not paying assets to make cap space.

Also, if we retained Petts and Marino guaranteed is the pairing.

No dumo is a UFA with 2 cups. You can easily move that. Just maybe not for a lot.

And sure maybe. It depends on who you bring in.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I do see an argument that they should have kept Marino, but the Penguins also desperately had to add size to their defense and doing that while keeping Marino would have been substantially more difficult.

Had you kept Marino, you still would have needed to bring in a Petry style defenseman to play with him. You'd just need to find a LD version of Petry and move out Pettersson. Maybe you can argue they should have done that, but I also think that would have likely been very challenging to do.

Marino has been awesome for the Devils this year, but Pettersson has also been pretty dominant analytically this year as well. You realistically had to trade 2 of Marino, Pettersson and Matheson to reshape the defense.

 

[Darren McCord]

I do see an argument that they should have kept Marino, but the Penguins also desperately had to add size to their defense and doing that while keeping Marino would have been substantially more difficult.

Had you kept Marino, you still would have needed to bring in a Petry style defenseman to play with him. You'd just need to find a LD version of Petry and move out Pettersson. Maybe you can argue they should have done that, but I also think that would have likely been very challenging to do.

Marino has been awesome for the Devils this year, but Pettersson has also been pretty dominant analytically this year as well. You realistically had to trade 2 of Marino, Pettersson and Matheson to reshape the defense.

It’s not petts it’s dumo who they should have moved. Dumo looks even worse this year than last

 

[Empoleon8771]

It’s not petts it’s dumo who they should have moved. Dumo looks even worse this year than last

He does but you're not addressing the size problem of your defense by trading Dumoulin.

You needed to trade 2 of Matheson, Marino or Pettersson regardless of what you did with Dumoulin.

 

[Gurglesons]

No dumo is a UFA with 2 cups. You can easily move that. Just maybe not for a lot.

And sure maybe. It depends on who you bring in.

You can believe what you want. Not sure what team is taking him on this summer

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I'll reiterate...

John Marino through 12 games with the Penguins in 2021-22 - 1 goal, 5 assists
John Marino through 11 games with the Devils in 2022-23 - 1 goal, 5 assists.

How is one scenario an example of Marino having success and the other not?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The Penguins. The Penguins are the team that'll be taking Dumo on this summer.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Penguins. The Penguins are the team that'll be taking Dumo on this summer.

I hate how you're right

They'll never do this, but I would love for them to try and sell Dumoulin right now and bring in Edmundson from Montreal to replace him. Edmundson had a lot of success with Petry as his partner, so you could run with either Pettersson-Letang and Edmundson-Petry or just replace Dumoulin with Edmundson.

 

[Andy99]

I do see an argument that they should have kept Marino, but the Penguins also desperately had to add size to their defense and doing that while keeping Marino would have been substantially more difficult.

Had you kept Marino, you still would have needed to bring in a Petry style defenseman to play with him. You'd just need to find a LD version of Petry and move out Pettersson. Maybe you can argue they should have done that, but I also think that would have likely been very challenging to do.

Marino has been awesome for the Devils this year, but Pettersson has also been pretty dominant analytically this year as well. You realistically had to trade 2 of Marino, Pettersson and Matheson to reshape the defense.

Really? And what has the slight size increase brought to our defense? Not disputing the premise we could use some size, just the results based on who we targeted…I don’t think our problem at least in the RS was that we were bleeding goals because we couldn’t body anyone up in the crease…if that was the problem, it looks like we still have that problem or solving that problem led to worse problems transitioning the puck through the NZ …

 

[Empoleon8771]

Really? And what has the slight size increase brought to our defense? Not disputing the premise we could use some size, just the results based on who we targeted…I don’t think our problem at least in the RS was that we were bleeding goals because we couldn’t body anyone up in the crease…if that was the problem, it looks like we still have that problem or solving that problem led to worse problems transitioning the puck through the NZ …

It's been like a dozen games man.

 

[Andy99]

It's been like a dozen games man.

Ok. How long is it fair to wait for Petry? The usual standard is 20 games lol

 

[HandshakeLine]

Todd Reirden sucks where’s Martin these days

I get why we fired all the ACs but I don't remember why Martin in particular got some of the most heat. Gonch too.

You can believe what you want. Not sure what team is taking him on this summer

I don’t know who’s take him now tbh, and I don’t think he’s going to get anymore valuable.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Ok. How long is it fair to wait for Petry? The usual standard is 20 games lol

Idk but I don't really think it makes any sense to deem Petry (or any other addition) a failure or success because of such a small sample size.

 

[Darren McCord]

He does but you're not addressing the size problem of your defense by trading Dumoulin.

You needed to trade 2 of Matheson, Marino or Pettersson regardless of what you did with Dumoulin.

No thats not true.

You move Dumo.
Sign Rutta still. And you get target a LD instead of signing Kappy.

Petts - Letang
XXX - Marino
Matheson - Rutta

You can believe what you want. Not sure what team is taking him on this summer

Columbus paid 4 mil for grubranson over four years.

Dumo could have been moved. He is exactly the type of player a young team takes on. Sabres are week on the LD I could easily of seen him going to the sabres

 

[Turin]

I get why we fired all the ACs but I don't remember why Martin in particular got some of the most heat. Gonch too.

I don’t know who’s take him now tbh, and I don’t think he’s going to get anymore valuable.

It was really just Recchi who needed to gtfo

 

[Gurglesons]

No thats not true.

You move Dumo.
Sign Rutta still. And you get target a LD instead of signing Kappy.

Petts - Letang
XXX - Marino
Matheson - Rutta



Columbus paid 4 mil for grubranson over four years.

Dumo could have been moved. He is exactly the type of player a young team takes on. Sabres are week on the LD I could easily of seen him going to the sabres

Gudbranson and Dumoulin are extremely different skill sets.

 

[Andy99]

I'll reiterate...

John Marino through 12 games with the Penguins in 2021-22 - 1 goal, 5 assists
John Marino through 11 games with the Devils in 2022-23 - 1 goal, 5 assists.

How is one scenario an example of Marino having success and the other not?

Jeff Petry through 11 games, 1 goal and 3 assists…how is that better?

Idk but I don't really think it makes any sense to deem Petry (or any other addition) a failure or success because of such a small sample size.

Aren’t people doing that with Marino?

 

[Darren McCord]

Gudbranson and Dumoulin are extremely different skill sets.

True still. Look at the sabres left side and tell me they wouldn't have given up a low pick at least for him. they have 20 mill in cap and are playing a pretty green Left side.

You get a two time cup winner to come help the young kids and trade him at the deadline retained for a pick if your are out of the playoffs.

They definitely could have trade him but I don;t think it even crossed their minds.

 

[Empoleon8771]

No thats not true.

You move Dumo.
Sign Rutta still. And you get target a LD instead of signing Kappy.

Petts - Letang
XXX - Marino
Matheson - Rutta

That defense isn't better than what they have now and is only marginally different than what they had last year. Paying Matheson to be the 3rd pair LD is also something that makes me cringe.

I also question how much money they'd actually have available to add a 2nd pair LD in that case.

 

[Darren McCord]

That defense isn't better than what they have now and is only marginally different than what they had last year. Paying Matheson to be the 3rd pair LD is also something that makes me cringe.

I also question how much money they'd actually have available to add a 2nd pair LD in that case.

close to 4mil if you don't sign kap at 3.2.

And that defense is addition by subtraction with dumo. Dumo has been on the ice for almost as many goal as vegas has let in as a team.

 

[Gurglesons]

close to 4mil if you don't sign kap at 3.2.

And that defense is addition by subtraction with dumo. Dumo has been on the ice for almost as many goal as vegas has let in as a team.

You’re still being forced to replace this spots with cap.

 

[Darren McCord]

You’re still being forced to replace this spots with cap.

You think replacing Kap with DOC would make this team any worse?