Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I disagree in Blueger being worthless. in his last 108gp he has 50pts. He has the numbers of a third line center. he only makes 2.2 mill and could easily fill in on someones third line.

he might not be worth 2.2 mil here but he is a good depth player. Ellers makes 3.5 mill and practically has the same numbers as Blueger.

The only issue with him is that sullivan wont play him above line 4.

He's also got two (2) points in 18 playoff games, and was entirely replaced by a dude who was a throw-in in the Petry-Matheson deal for 1/3 the price. Blueger's a nothingmancer. The "linemates, d-zone starts" stuff only holds water for so long. /shrug

Agree it's weird that he's never given a shot, but oh well. Hopefully Hextall can get something for him between now and the deadline, otherwise, let him walk.

-edit- I think the team needs to give Petts, POJ or Rutta a long look with Letang to see if they have any potential in-house solutions to a Dumo departure, and if any of them look acceptable, shop Dumo hard. Some dumb f*** GM will salivate over the two Cups, vet experience, cheap deal, top pairing stuff and ignore that he's been an ever-worsening shitshow for like two calendar years of hockey.

 

[Darren McCord]

He's also got two (2) points in 18 playoff games, and was entirely replaced by a dude who was a throw-in in the Petry-Matheson deal for 1/3 the price. Blueger's a nothingmancer. The "linemates, d-zone starts" stuff only holds water for so long. /shrug

Agree it's weird that he's never given a shot, but oh well. Hopefully Hextall can get something for him between now and the deadline, otherwise, let him walk.

Poehling is just a shiny toy. He really hasnt done anything to show me he has replaced TB completely. Poehling is a fine 4th line center but TB is still the better player. Again he is just relegated to line four.

Also the PK has been really bad. I think TB helps with that.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Poehling is just a shiny toy. He really hasnt done anything to show me he has replaced TB completely. Poehling is a fine 4th line center but TB is still the better player. Again he is just relegated to line four.

Also the PK has been really bad. I think TB helps with that.

He's a 4C. You don't need Cullen for a 4C to be fine. Poehling has replaced Blueger and made him expendable, tbh. Hopefully someone like Petts or POJ make Dumo expendable too.

The PK's been bad for a long time. It's basically as big a factor in the Rangers loss as anything, imo. They hemorrhaged PP goals in the last few losses of that series. They allowed 5 PP goals in the final 4 games. That's pretty rough, Domingue or not.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I'd move Dumo now. I was hoping a healthy offseason would rejuvenate him, but he looks worse. What's he going to look like as the season starts to take its toll and he gets even more banged up? On paper, though, he's only 31, plays 20+min a night, Cup experience, has size, PK's, etc. All the stuff GM's love. So he should be relatively easy to move at only $4M and on and expiring contract, maybe even for some value. Run with:

Rutta - Letang
Petts - Petry
POJ - Ruhwedel

until you can find a Dumo replacement or if Rutta looks good there, then you only need to find a 3RD.

Up front, I don't think there is anything you can do. I'd move Kap and/or McGinn in a heartbeat, but I don't think that's quite as easy to do. You just gotta shuffle around the lines until you find something that you can live with. I'd start by splitting up Cater and Kapanen.

Heinen - Blueger/Poulin - Carter
McGinn - Poehling - Kap

I'm not really worried about playing without Dumoulin when the Penguins dominated the Rangers without him last year

 

[ChaosAgent]

He's a 4C. You don't need Cullen for a 4C to be fine. Poehling has replaced Blueger and made him expendable, tbh. Hopefully someone like Petts or POJ make Dumo expendable too.

The PK's been bad for a long time. It's basically as big a factor in the Rangers loss as anything, imo. They hemorrhaged PP goals in the last few losses of that series. They allowed 5 PP goals in the final 4 games. That's pretty rough, Domingue or not.

The PK is a total turtlefest that regularly counts itself as successful when allowing 5 shots against and getting lucky. Its success was a pleasant mirage last RS and it has shown its true colors ever since.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The PK being bad is all on the coaching staff IMO. Plenty of teams with less ideal PKing personnel run good penalty kills. We just don’t and TB isn’t the reason.

What lol. I am so confused.

The penguins have the same wins as losses because they blew chunks on a road trip.

Someone is not familiar with Tha Dawg’s ouvre.

 

[Zbynek]

I'd like to see Smith get some games, but I think both he or POJ would get eaten alive in Dumo's role.

Pretty much this. If you think Dumo has looked bad (which, don't get me wrong, he has) just wait until you see POJ eating 20+ mins against 1st liners.

The whole club is in a slump. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch of over Dumo getting burned by McDavid, Horvat and Kadri.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think it's less about Dumo looking wretched now, and more about thinking about the Dumo-less future, which should definitely be A Thing. We should try some more d-pairings against softer competition because honestly, we need to figure out the LD situation and just plugging our ears and pretending Dumo isn't in a nosedive isn't really productive.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The PK is a total turtlefest that regularly counts itself as successful when allowing 5 shots against and getting lucky. Its success was a pleasant mirage last RS and it has shown its true colors ever since.

It drives me nuts because this club has historically prided itself on having a bunch of hard-skating, speedy pluggers in the bottom 6 who would be ideal for an active PK scheme and instead... we just passively sit there and put Jeff Carter and Dumo or Letang on it?

It's like if Ali and Angelo Dundee spent a lot of time studying tapes of George Forman, but instead of doing a rope a dope, Ali decided to just walk into every punch with his hands down.

 

[Pens x]

Thankfully, Columbus is more pathetic than then the Pens or we’d be dead last in the division. We should probably add on another year to Sullivan’s extension.

The guy that hates young players is the man I want to lead our rebuilding years.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Also the guy that gets pissy anytime anyone asks him to explain anything or justify a decision. That fills me with tons of confidence, personally.

 

[Zbynek]

I think it's less about Dumo looking wretched now, and more about thinking about the Dumo-less future, which should definitely be A Thing. We should try some more d-pairings against softer competition because honestly, we need to figure out the LD situation and just plugging our ears and pretending Dumo isn't in a nosedive isn't really productive.

In that case just let him walk to UFA this summer. No big deal. Or is Hextall physically unable to just walk away from players?

 

[Pens x]

In that case just let him walk to UFA this summer. No big deal. Or is Hextall physically unable to just walk away from players?

A rapidly declining vet? He won’t be able to resist the urge to offer a six year extension.

 

[HandshakeLine]

In that case just let him walk to UFA this summer. No big deal. Or is Hextall physically unable to just walk away from players?

Why are we slow walking his horribleness? I don't get it, or is it just because it's the path of least resistance?

I mean, even if they actively shop Dumo, I'd expect that he wouldn't find a taker until the playoff races are more firm around the TDL. But I just don't see what's to be gained keeping him on that top pairing when he's an anchor, let alone waiting him out all year just to let him test UFA.

Again, I don't think POJ or Rutta or whoever is going to be good on that 1LD slot, but I don't think they'll be as bad as Dumo has been for some time.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The other advantages to moving Dumo off the top pairing are that a new partner might help Letang regain his form, less minutes might make Dumo more effective, and the more effective Dumo looks, the better his trade value will be.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The PK is a total turtlefest that regularly counts itself as successful when allowing 5 shots against and getting lucky. Its success was a pleasant mirage last RS and it has shown its true colors ever since.

Pretty perfectly summed up, tbh.

 

[Pens x]

Yeah, I don’t see how anyone can continue to send Dumo out there on the top pairing. Unless that someone is a certain head coach who was effective five years ago.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

So let's play fantasy land.

What LD is available for trade if we sent Dumo out?

 

[HandshakeLine]

So let's play fantasy land.

What LD is available for trade if we sent Dumo out?

Chychrun is still on the market apparently. I don't know if he'd be worth the return.

Again, I think the question isn't "who is a top flight defenseman available for a trade?", but more "what qualities does the ideal partner for Letang have and who can we get who has the most of those?"

 

[ChaosAgent]

It drives me nuts because this club has historically prided itself on having a bunch of hard-skating, speedy pluggers in the bottom 6 who would be ideal for an active PK scheme and instead... we just passively sit there and put Jeff Carter and Dumo or Letang on it?

It's like if Ali and Angelo Dundee spent a lot of time studying tapes of George Forman, but instead of doing a rope a dope, Ali decided to just walk into every punch with his hands down.

Who is Crocodile Dundee?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Who is Crocodile Dundee?

Probably the best boxing trainer of the postwar period. Trained Ali, Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Wilfredo Gomez and 11 other world champions. If boxing had the equivalent of Jack Adams, it should be named after him.

 

[chethejet]

the extension for Sullivan is so lazy and just telling that Hextall and new management are becoming the Steelers in this respect. They put so much value in one season that they keep the same people and process in place even with 4 straight first round exits. Clearly they think each loss had outlier issues that aren't reflective of the roster and coaching. So keeping the and extending the same players and term is a significant risk if it fails. They are stuck with contracts that are hard to move in this cap amount even if it goes to 91 million in year 2024. Things are not dire here but imagine missing the playoffs and you have this coach for 4 more years.

 

[pistolpete11]

Pretty much this. If you think Dumo has looked bad (which, don't get me wrong, he has) just wait until you see POJ eating 20+ mins against 1st liners.

The whole club is in a slump. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch of over Dumo getting burned by McDavid, Horvat and Kadri.

Dumo has been bad for a while now, though, and it's not trending in a good direction. I don't think the answer is to sit on our hands and just be thankful because it could be worse. They should be looking to add someone. I'd move Dumo now if the opportunity presented itself so that they can move if/when something becomes available.

So let's play fantasy land.

What LD is available for trade if we sent Dumo out?

The answer at the moment is probably not much. Need the playoff picture to start to take shape.

But using the ole soon to be UFA method, here they are in order of TOI.


Gostisbehere (no thanks)
Orlov
Gavrikov
Maatta (lol)
Kulikov
JMFJ (double lol)
Staal
Graves
Cole
Tinodri
Hagg
Holden
Soucy

Gavrikov, Kulikov, Graves, Holden, and Soucy would be the names that I think check some of the boxes for a potential Dumo replacement. It would be more difficult to get CBJ to trade Gavrikov here. Same with NJ and Graves, plus they are off to a good start.

 

[Zbynek]

Dumo has been bad for a while now, though, and it's not trending in a good direction. I don't think the answer is to sit on our hands and just be thankful because it could be worse. They should be looking to add someone. I'd move Dumo now if the opportunity presented itself so that they can move if/when something becomes available.


The answer at the moment is probably not much. Need the playoff picture to start to take shape.

But using the ole soon to be UFA method, here they are in order of TOI.


Gostisbehere (no thanks)
Orlov
Gavrikov
Maatta (lol)
Kulikov
JMFJ (double lol)
Staal
Graves
Cole
Tinodri
Hagg
Holden
Soucy

Gavrikov, Kulikov, Graves, Holden, and Soucy would be the names that I think check some of the boxes for a potential Dumo replacement. It would be more difficult to get CBJ to trade Gavrikov here. Same with NJ and Graves, plus they are off to a good start.

That list is brutal and I'd definitely rather hold onto a declining Dumoulin.

If return was Chychrun level I could get on board but I don't see Dumo fetching much of anything in the trade market. I think he's worth more to us just for the amount of minutes he can eat up.

 

[pistolpete11]

That list is brutal and I'd definitely rather hold onto a declining Dumoulin.

If return was Chychrun level I could get on board but I don't see Dumo fetching much of anything in the trade market. I think he's worth more to us just for the amount of minutes he can eat up.

If Chychrun-level is the only move that you could get on board with, then we have vastly different assessments of Dumo's game right now and over the last couple of years.