Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Josey Wales]

Bobrovsky.

I think I'd take Bobrovsky if we can get a decent NHL ready prospect from Florida for taking him at 50%. His contract matches up with the rest of our team's "window" and he's been a good goaltender in the regular season and playoffs when playing behind a competent defense.

I also think Flower 2.0 is probably ready for NHL duty in his second year.

UMMMM I know who Bob is your 1st take was Reimer Or Varlamov

Fair play. And what if we lose another 7 game series with him putting up pedestrian numbers in the playoffs?

I don't know how bout wait & see 1st !

 

[Gurglesons]

UMMMM I know who Bob is your 1st take was Reimer Or Varlamov


I don't know how bout wait & see 1st !

I'm talking off season, so we would.

I don't think this team (or really any team) should be investing more than 5 million and a few years in goaltending.

Jarry at a big cap hit and term scares me a lot because if he plays well that further extends our window regardless if the rest of the team craps out.

 

[Josey Wales]

I'm talking off season, so we would.

I don't think this team (or really any team) should be investing more than 5 million and a few years in goaltending.

Jarry at a big cap hit and term scares me a lot because if he plays well that further extends our window regardless if the rest of the team craps out.

SOO You can see the future??? KOOL !! what are the Lottery numbers going to be when there is a huge jackpot ?

 

[Gurglesons]

SOO You can see the future??? KOOL !! what are the Lottery numbers going to be when there is a huge jackpot ?

Your posts sound like a twitter bot.

 

[eXile3]

If we could get Athanasiou for like 4th at the deadline would it make sense? I know he's not producing on a bad hawks team but the dude has burners. Stick him on the bottom 6 and get some speed.

 

[Josey Wales]

Your posts sound like a twitter bot.

SOOO Have no answer

If we could get Athanasiou for like 4th at the deadline would it make sense? I know he's not producing on a bad hawks team but the dude has burners. Stick him on the bottom 6 and get some speed.

So did Konstantin Koltsov

 

[Peat]

I don't see why Jarry is going to be wildly more expensive than other goalies unless he's playing at a level where no one wants to see him leave.

I am also doubtful as to Florida having to pay off a team to take Bobrovsky at 50%.

If we could get Athanasiou for like 4th at the deadline would it make sense? I know he's not producing on a bad hawks team but the dude has burners. Stick him on the bottom 6 and get some speed.

He's soft and defensively suspect. Pass. It's not like a bottom six with Kapanen and Archibald is lacking for speedsters anyway.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Why will the left side be vulnerable?

With respect, I explained this a few times.

If there should be any concern, it's the Right side where you have a stroke victim playing some terrible hockey prior to his episode and an older player who just got injured. Neither of them are spring chickens.

Yes, but we have a likely departing LD who needs replacing, not a RD. A good LD can help stabilize Letang or Petry's game. Dumoulin was unable to do that early in the year and it cost us points.

We're spending about $6M right now in Zucker as a L2 winger. He's proven valuable at that price because he does a ton of things well. He's injured and hasn't been great in that department unfortunately, but when he's played he's produced quality hockey for this team. The devil you know and all that...

Well if he only ends up playing 55 games or whatever this year, that's a big blow to value. And his production was trending downwards prior to the injury, although it peaked up again in his last game. He has 1 goal in his last 11.

This team's philosophy should be: "Support Sid and Malkin bc they can't do the same things they did 5 years ago". Taking away assets from them would be myopic.

No, that's a sentimental fan approach, predicated on gratitude towards 87+71 and wanting the top 6 to be more entertaining.
The team philosophy should be to make whatever moves necessary to improve our goal differential on any given night. If that means for example we fall 5 ranks offensively but rise 7 ranks defensively, then so be it. We disagree on which positions would help us win more.
Besides like I said, there is 0 guarantees that a 4M winger will be less effective than a 5M+ one. It's about fit and doing the research to find the right one with underrated upside relative to his asking price.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't see why Jarry is going to be wildly more expensive than other goalies unless he's playing at a level where no one wants to see him leave.

I am also doubtful as to Florida having to pay off a team to take Bobrovsky at 50%.



He's soft and defensively suspect. Pass. It's not like a bottom six with Kapanen and Archibald is lacking for speedsters anyway.

Really? It looks like he has a full NMC and an extra year so I guess that doesn't make any sense anyway.

And I think if Jarry keeps up his numbers this year he'll have an argument for 6.5-7 mil with the cap rising, his age, etc.

 

[Peat]

Really? It looks like he has a full NMC and an extra year so I guess that doesn't make any sense anyway.

And I think if Jarry keeps up his numbers this year he'll have an argument for 6.5-7 mil with the cap rising, his age, etc.

Three years of Bob at 5m starting from the age of 35? I think there's a good chance you'll see a less attractive contract given in UFA, which means there's a good chance someone will take him for free. The complication is his NMC and how many teams he rules out but that aside,

Which I guess also applies to the goalies lagging behind Jarry. Rising cap helps everyone, and goalies get paid. I've got a feeling it's going to be ugly this year. Me, I wish we could have got something done with him this summer tying him to something like Kuemper's contract... but that clearly didn't happen.

Guess it's wait and see on how he does. But in general, every year, we're left scratching our heads on what the NHL is doing with goaltending, so I doubt it'll be any different.

 

[pistolpete11]

If we could get Athanasiou for like 4th at the deadline would it make sense? I know he's not producing on a bad hawks team but the dude has burners. Stick him on the bottom 6 and get some speed.

Athanasiou sucks.

He's not good enough for a top 6 spot and he sucks defensively for the bottom 6, especially how Sully uses the bottom 6.

 

[Darren McCord]

-Sign Zucker or no? If not, then you better have a viable backup plan for Geno's winger. He will likely ask for a raise as well

Lol Zucker is not asking for a raise.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Fair play. And what if we lose another 7 game series with him putting up pedestrian numbers in the playoffs?

If we lose another 7 games series his grand total of playoff games will be 15 games.

I’ll put that in the “who gives a shit” analysis bucket and if that buckets full i put it in the “why do people get sucked into silly concepts” bucket

 

[Darren McCord]

I'm talking off season, so we would.

I don't think this team (or really any team) should be investing more than 5 million and a few years in goaltending.

Jarry at a big cap hit and term scares me a lot because if he plays well that further extends our window regardless if the rest of the team craps out.

If Jarry craps out he will kill his value.

If he plays well and the team goes far you absolutely resign him. If he continues to play well you trade him later. Just dont give him a no trade.

I think you try to get Jarry at 5 and settle around 6. Kuemper is very similar in numbers and got 5.25 x 5.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

It'll be defecate or extricate time,

I love this rephrasing of 'shit or get off the pot'.

 

[chethejet]

Teams just are not giving those Price or Bob contracts anymore. Jarry to me if he has a good playoff series and shows he can be a good goalie probably is in the 6 million range. BUt yes cap in a couple is looking like 90 or more so there is room, But Pens have most of the guys locked up for 4 to 5 years with the 3 year plan so Jarry for sy 5 years is what I expect.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I like Jarry alot and dont think there is much out there that we would be better off with.

With that being said Jarry still has alot to prove in the net and with his health 1st and foremost.

I am confident he can do the job he just needs to be healthy. I also dont think he will be getting as much money that some people are throwing around but that's just me.

 

[Peat]

I love this rephrasing of 'shit or get off the pot'.

Thank you. Can't lie, I honestly can't remember the last time I've been this impressed with myself.

 

[DrDangles]

I'd rather spend assets and gamble on a guy like Vejmelka than pay Jarry anything like 6+ without him proving anything in the postseason.

Speaking of which we desperately need to acquire some legitimate goalie depth at the deadline. Seeing goaltending/health be their downfall a third year in a row would be a gut punch. Jarry at this point is a wildcard and Desmith can't seem to stay healthy when we need him, we need somebody like Craig Anderson to fall back on.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'd rather spend assets and gamble on a guy like Vejmelka than pay Jarry anything like 6+ without him proving anything in the postseason.

Speaking of which we desperately need to acquire some legitimate goalie depth at the deadline. Seeing goaltending/health be their downfall a third year in a row would be a gut punch. Jarry at this point is a wildcard and Desmith can't seem to stay healthy when we need him, we need somebody like Craig Anderson to fall back on.

nobody has 3 goalies deep.

And we likely have Blomqvist over here by playoffs.

 

[DrDangles]

nobody has 3 goalies deep.

And we likely have Blomqvist over here by playoffs.

And yet being 3 goalies deep the past two seasons likely would've saved our asses. I want what you're smoking if you think anybody but Tokarski is playing a postseason game if Jarry and Desmith can't go. Does Sully really seem like the guy to play the shiny new toy over the guy with actual NHL experience in a playoff game?

 

[Gurglesons]

And yet being 3 goalies deep the past two seasons likely would've saved our asses. I want what you're smoking if you think anybody but Tokarski is playing a postseason game if Jarry and Desmith can't go. Does Sully really seem like the guy to play the shiny new toy over the guy with actual NHL experience in a playoff game?

We were three goalies deep. Pens had 3 chances to win a playoff round and blew multiple leads.

 

[DrDangles]

We were three goalies deep. Pens had 3 chances to win a playoff round and blew multiple leads.

If we were 3 goalies deep against the Islanders we would've seen Legace play over Jarry when it was clear he was having an absolute breakdown. If we had somebody that could actually stick in the NHL ready to go rather than Domingue against the Rangers we likely would've taken that series. Remind me where Domingue is playing again this season. You see, the trick is for your 3rd goalie to not be complete ass.

I don't understand why this is some wild unthinkable idea. Teams load up on depth every deadline, It's quite obvious where we need it the most at this point.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

This is what I hate about NHL officiating. Classic case of reffing the score + clock.
Rust takes a direct line to the puck. Forsling does not. He prioritizes cutting Rust off, since he was about to get beat with speed.
Textbook interference.

Or just f***ing call it holding!? The official is RIGHT THERE.

I don't care if it's 10-0 and the Pens are winning or losing. Call what you were schooled to identify. If you can't do it, make way for someone who can.
This is not a mistake. This is a choice to ignore something because of the situation.
I highly doubt it's the league telling them to "manage games". It's more the officials being afraid of the angry team's fans, players or coach if they took the hardline approach. Many of them have lost their sense of sportsmanship/fair play that was a driving force in them taking this career path in the first place.

There's still refs in soccer who just call what they see, always. They take a ton of heat on the pitch for it from losing teams, but they do a great job.
There are very few left in the NHL who have the capacity do that.

What if the Panthers somehow came back and tied this, winning later in OT? The ref would have stolen a point.

 

[Gurglesons]

If we were 3 goalies deep against the Islanders we would've seen Legace play over Jarry when it was clear he was having an absolute breakdown. If we had somebody that could actually stick in the NHL ready to go rather than Domingue against the Rangers we likely would've taken that series. Remind me where Domingue is playing again this season. You see, the trick is for your 3rd goalie to not be complete ass.

I don't understand why this is some wild unthinkable idea. Teams load up on depth every deadline, It's quite obvious where we need it the most at this point.

You can’t have someone that can “actually stick in the NHL ready to go” unless you have a prospect because you’ll waive them and they’ll get claimed.