Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Honour Over Glory]

I think that was certainly a factor, no doubt. But to me 09 was about Malkin/Crosby going full HAM with everything else a somewhat distant second, third, fourth etc.

To me it was more Malkin going HAM when we needed a star to step up, in the Wings series, Sid was shadowed very well by Zetterberg and it was Malkin with Talbot.

Sid had 3pts in 7 games and was a -1.
Malkin was a f***ing monster all playoffs that year with 8pts in 7 games in the finals vs the Wings - Because of Geno, Talbot had 4 goals and 6pts in the 7 games vs the Wings that series.

Sid was incredible vs the Caps, but when you go back and watch those series again, Geno was a beast against the Flyers, also the Caps, Canes, and Wings.

The lack of respect Geno still gets is ridiculous, especially with how JR treated him, then the extension bullshit this season and the constant lack of consistent proper wingers for like, his whole f***ing career.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

To me it was more Malkin going HAM when we needed a star to step up, in the Wings series, Sid was shadowed very well by Zetterberg and it was Malkin with Talbot.

Sid had 3pts in 7 games and was a -1.
Malkin was a f***ing monster all playoffs that year with 8pts in 7 games in the finals vs the Wings - Because of Geno, Talbot had 4 goals and 6pts in the 7 games vs the Wings that series.

Sid was incredible vs the Caps, but when you go back and watch those series again, Geno was a beast against the Flyers, also the Caps, Canes, and Wings.

The lack of respect Geno still gets is ridiculous, especially with how JR treated him, then the extension bullshit this season and the constant lack of consistent proper wingers for like, his whole f***ing career.

Sid was heavily marked all playoffs but still found ways to come up big. I think that helped Malkin a lot as did Staal taking some hard shifts but in the end I agree that the guy just came up real large at the exact right time and it was mostly on him. Talbot should have probably sent like 50% of that contract he earned with Philly back to Geno via Predator yard art or Lion King cakes every month or whatever he wanted.

I would comment on your last paragraph there but heaven knows I don't want to be a big fat complainy persecuted complexed guy or whatever.

 

[Gurglesons]

Staal moving to C, learning to be a strong 2-way player and then building some incredible chemistry with the likes of Ruutu and then Cooke and Kennedy was huge. Staal, we all thought after the 29 goals, was going to be our big power forward winger, then they moved him to C the following year and I think a lot of us were kind of bummed as it was going to be a solid top 6 with Staal there, but later on Staal was never someone you could move back to Wing (it was tried with Geno, never looked as good). But Staal at C on the Penguins behind 2 legends is what allowed him to also put up solid numbers seeing less of the defensive assignments Sid & Geno saw, instead he was the defensive assignment for the Penguins with 2 solid wingers that could cycle and grind.

But to me, the biggest mistake was all on Staal to want to leave thinking he was bigger than a 3C role behind the likes of Sid & Geno, or whatever family excuse he had that to me, felt like a load of bs.

In 4 of the 6 seasons he was with the Penguins, he was a 20+ goal scorer, a solid cog on a perennial playoff team. Then he goes to Carolina and the last 11 seasons he musters one 20 goal season and in the 10 seasons before this, made the playoffs 4yrs out of the 10. It always bothered me because Ryan Malone mentioned how he made a mistake leaving and then you see Jordan Staal wanting to leave and he'll never admit it, but it was a huge mistake on his part.

Also f*** Brandon Sutter.

Staal was fine in Carolina. He never had any support there.

 

[IcedCapp]

Oh yeah? Well I hate this team so bad that I illegally stream the games but don't even watch them.

But I do let my cat watch them. He's a Big Jeff Carter fan.

Cats aren't very good at grasping the sport I've found.

i almost believe this one

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

i almost believe this one

Do I exude "middle-ish aged guy who obsesses entirely too much over his cat because nobody else will talk to him" vibes that heavily? Geez.

Anyway uh... McGinn for L2. If Rust really is coming back around it should work fine.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

That’s why those who were talking about resigning him are insane.

Agreed, just say no to a Zucker extension.

 

[Tender Rip]

Just because Smith and Poulin were drafted in the 1st round doesn't mean they are still viewed as 1st round assets. They'd rather have 1st round picks than either of those guys, especially Poulin.

I also don't think teams take on a guy with the intent to flip them very often. I'm sure there's examples, but it's unnecessary risk for them. Dumo could go there and get hurt in game 1 and then they are stuck with him and don't get that asset they were planning for. So similarly , I think they'd rather just have a 2nd instead of Dumo.

I dont disagree with any of this. The question was more whether (and at what price) we/they should be interested.
If Dumo is considered less valuable than the package we could extract, then of course negotiations for Chychrun could be had with that caveat in mind. I just find it likely that they could get a better deal than we could as any buyer would consider him sort of a cap-dump from us. Further, they could retain on him to increase his value as a rental even more. @50% to Edmonton at the deadline, say.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Staal was fine in Carolina. He never had any support there.

I don’t know if I agree. Teravainen, Aho, Williams, etc have been there even as far back as 2017. Skinner was there too before that. I think the issue Staal didn’t consider was that the great work he put in for the Penguins was because of who was in front of him and the usage he was used to. He was already developed into that role and then he goes to Carolina and how do they use him? The same as the Pens but no Sid and Geno in front of him and the chemistry he had with Cooke and TK gone.

Canes always had some solid wingers imo. Nino, Tuevo, Skinner, Svech, etc etc. Staal was an incredible 2way C and he was relied on that a ton.

 

[Pancakes]

Staal was (still is) one of the very best two-way centers in the league, and a possession monster. Almost anyone who gets put with him seems to benefit from that.

It was also why we used to be so hard to play against because you get Crosby and Malkin coming at you and then Staal doesn't really give you a break. Three lines coming at you in waves. Really tough.

 

[pensfan71]

In to say I want Boeser here ASAP

 

[Gurglesons]

I don’t know if I agree. Teravainen, Aho, Williams, etc have been there even as far back as 2017. Skinner was there too before that. I think the issue Staal didn’t consider was that the great work he put in for the Penguins was because of who was in front of him and the usage he was used to. He was already developed into that role and then he goes to Carolina and how do they use him? The same as the Pens but no Sid and Geno in front of him and the chemistry he had with Cooke and TK gone.

Canes always had some solid wingers imo. Nino, Tuevo, Skinner, Svech, etc etc. Staal was an incredible 2way C and he was relied on that a ton.

Staal’s most common linemates..

2013-2015

Nathan Gerbe and Patrick Dwyer

2016-2018

Aho and Nordstrom

2019 - 2021

Foegle and Svech

2022 - 2023
Nino and Martinook

 

[Turin]

I was and am a big Staal backer.

Staal looked ready to break out before he was traded to Carolina and immediately got put with plugs and buried in his own zone for years. He never found the balance of being elite defensively while being consistently good offensively, but he was always very effective.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Staal’s most common linemates..

2013-2015

Nathan Gerbe and Patrick Dwyer

2016-2018

Aho and Nordstrom

2019 - 2021

Foegle and Svech

2022 - 2023
Nino and Martinook

Got better after the first two years. Aho alone was a huge change.

 

[Gurglesons]

Got better after the first two years. Aho alone was a huge change.

Funny enough his best years there came in the first two years.

 

[ronduguayshair]

Smith is a Penguin, now. Despite having 100+ NHL games to his name (many of them fairly exceptional for his age) he will require "seasoning" in the AHL until he's 30 and therefore of appropriate age to get a shot at the geriatric club.

Also super shocking re: Zucker.

Hey P.O. Joseph looks pretty good after seasoned in the ahl learning the system.

Why do people take the Smith demotion so personal? Like who cares? I’m a season ticket holder and I don’t even care.

Riikola disease. It’s not a big deal. It’s depth but that’s never valued on this messageboard.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Funny enough his best years there came in the first two years.

Ah well at that cap he ain't our problem.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The fact that we're debating about Sid vs. Geno instead of Generic Sedin Brother no. 1 and Sedin no. 2 shows how blessed we are.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

In to say I want Boeser here ASAP

Not at that cap hit and with the cap going up just 1M, that’s a tough fit. You’d need to see Smith up asap and make Dumoulin expendable and also see if there’s a taker for that bum Heinen. Even then you’re still looking to move another player. You then risk maybe moving Zucker as an impending UFA to land some other parts whether picks or a depth player.

 

[BusinessGoose]

The fact that we're debating about Sid vs. Geno instead of Generic Sedin Brother no. 1 and Sedin no. 2 shows how blessed we are.

 

[Tender Rip]

In to say I want Boeser here ASAP

What part of what you’re seeing from the Pens suggests to you that we should covet an underperforming, slow sniper who is bad off the puck - and has a serious cap hit to boot?

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Penguins Have Trade Assets to Land Canucks' Bo Horvat - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

The Pittsburgh Penguins have everything they need to trade for Vancouver Canucks captain Bo Horvat and should highly consider the move.

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Cute

 

[Pens x]

Any idea when Sam Poulin and his giant lips will be back?

 

[Rave7215]

Penguins Have Trade Assets to Land Canucks' Bo Horvat - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

The Pittsburgh Penguins have everything they need to trade for Vancouver Canucks captain Bo Horvat and should highly consider the move.

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Cute

I feel like from now until JR retires, every single Vancouver player will be linked to the Penguins. Whether it makes sense or not.
Also, does Horvat play wing? He wouldnt be a center here, so he most likely wouldnt re-sign.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

A potential under the radar pickup for the middle-6, probably 3rd line, would be Crouse. I think he could be a nice addition that adds a bit of size and snarl. No idea what he'd cost though.

 

[The Old Master]

That's still the style, but in certain scenarios, specific guys take on the role. The best example is a line change. Penguins dump the puck, have ability to make a complete change. Zucker is almost always the first forechecker in.

Obviously if it's a more broken line change and Malkin is the first guy on the ice, he's going to be the first one in the zone on the forecheck. But Zucker, Rackell, McGinn and Archibald all seem to be the primary forecheckers whenever the Penguins can arrange it.

that's more like the fastest guy is going to get there first most of the time. but that doesn't make him the designated forechecker.