Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Scandale du Jour]

I am not so sure. He will be 38 when his deal is up. Will he want to stay or chase one last cup. He wont be chasing records like Ovi. He will have won pretty much everything there is. Maybe he signs on for another year if Malkin gets 4.

But dont but on him signing a contract that takes him over 40.

He said yesterday that he planned to play as long as Letang and liked the 6 years frame.

So, if health and performance permit, I fully expect him to renew in 3 years.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Sounds about right.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Couple of things:

The team in it's current state was dead in 14/15. In early jan/feb of 16, my tune changed drastically.......and for nearly 3 years I don't think I complained once.........up until Sully nuked JR on his desire to make the team tougher.

I own my bad rep, but I should point out that I never antagonize posters, only their opinions. My detractors cannot make the same claim.

I don't try to upset anyone here. I'm still somewhat passionate about the team for it takes me back to my youth. As passionate as I was then?? Not even close. That's why with most of my posts, there is a little bit of fun thrown in.

Lastly, I try to guard against putting too much negativity out there (hold the laughter please). I know that's not the perception. But if anyone cared to look, I truly limit my negative "moments" to pivot points.

One thing you should know about me is that I like change, and my favorite teams to follow are young teams with potential (which is why I have started following the Pirates once again).

I'll try to limit the negativity moving forward. My opinions on Hex and our Vets have been made and it's time to move on. I was hoping for massive change this offseason, just color me disappointed.

Except Sully was 100% right on that one. Making the team "tougher" is one thing, acquiring a useless waste of space like Reaves is another.

What made us champions in 16 and 17 was our ability to ignore the bullshit and stick to our speed-oriented system. We played fast transition and beat teams by having them chase... and not engaging with their bs + making them pay on the PP.

We moved on quickly from Reaves and ended up losing to the Caps. Ironically, Reaves was in the SCF and did nothing at all to prevent Wilson from taking Marchesseault's head off.

What we needed was not getting tougher, it was replacing some role players and incorporating more youth that fit our system. That is where we failed. Oh, moving on from Cole too quickly was definitely a mistake.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Pens were never going into a rebuild anytime in the next 2-3 years. The team was just sold to new ownership. They were never going to sign off on a rebuild right off the bat.

 

[ChaosAgent]

If Sid, Tang and Geno stay for $18M combined in 4-5 years and the cap is $95M, that is only 20% of the cap for the talented geezers.

If we can find a way to add impact players in their own right and make these guys complimentary, we can thread this needle.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Except Sully was 100% right on that one. Making the team "tougher" is one thing, acquiring a useless waste of space like Reaves is another.

What made us champions in 16 and 17 was our ability to ignore the bullshit and stick to our speed-oriented system. We played fast transition and beat teams by having them chase... and not engaging with their bs + making them pay on the PP.

We moved on quickly from Reaves and ended up losing to the Caps. Ironically, Reaves was in the SCF and did nothing at all to prevent Wilson from taking Marchesseault's head off.

What we needed was not getting tougher, it was replacing some role players and incorporating more youth that fit our system. That is where we failed. Oh, moving on from Cole too quickly was definitely a mistake.

You can't say he was right and look at the his last 4 abrupt exits thereafter.

Sully was not proven right by any mean. Look at the Cup winners since as evidence.

TB struggled, and then added a ton of grit- 2 cups
Colorado- Already had tough players and then added tough players for this run.
Washington- no explanation necessary
St Louis- See Washington

Did JR overpay for Reaves, YES. Then Sully never utilized the player and made the trade an epic disaster.

And please stop with the "reaves didn't prevent". You'll never know if tough guys prevent when they are successful, nothing happens.

All I know is that Trouba targeted Jake........failed..............then targeted Sid and succeeded and it changed the entire series. And not one Penguin seemed bothered enough to respond.

 

[Flying Dego]

Trade Pettersson
Sign Geno for 6M, Kap or a replacement around 3M.

leaves us with 10M cap to fill out the rest of L2 if I'm looking at it right. So could be Rakell at 4.5 and another wing around 5. Or get saucy trade Zucker with 1M retention. Sign Rakell and then Forsberg for around 9M...

GCR
Rakell-Geno-Forsberg
Big Z-Carter-Kap
McGinn-Blue-DOC

Dumo-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Frid-Ruh
POJ

 

[Empoleon8771]

Crosby saying he wants to play 6 more years is the best news coming from Yohe in years.

I believe it too, the "Crosby is going to retire after his current deal" talk just never made much sense to me

 

[SEALBound]

Except Sully was 100% right on that one. Making the team "tougher" is one thing, acquiring a useless waste of space like Reaves is another.

What made us champions in 16 and 17 was our ability to ignore the bullshit and stick to our speed-oriented system. We played fast transition and beat teams by having them chase... and not engaging with their bs + making them pay on the PP.

We moved on quickly from Reaves and ended up losing to the Caps. Ironically, Reaves was in the SCF and did nothing at all to prevent Wilson from taking Marchesseault's head off.

What we needed was not getting tougher, it was replacing some role players and incorporating more youth that fit our system. That is where we failed. Oh, moving on from Cole too quickly was definitely a mistake.

We got the shit beat out of us several times in both of the Cup runs. It finally came to a head in 2018. Not saying that lack of toughness was the sole reason we lost, but you could absolutely see a difference in physicality between teams that carried and the play and the one that didn't that year. Washington won, then it was St. Louis, and then it was Tampa. All teams managed to find the perfect blend of size, skill, and speed. We lacked the size and ability to push back.

The league evolves. Pretending that we were always going to be able to win with smaller, speedier forwards is being naive. Now was Reaves the answer to it all, no but I think they thought of him as a third line guy, not the 7min a game 4th liner that Sully turned him into.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

You can't say he was right and look at the his last 4 abrupt exits thereafter.

Sully was not proven right by any mean. Look at the Cup winners since as evidence.

TB struggled, and then added a ton of grit- 2 cups
Colorado- Already had tough players and then added tough players for this run.
Washington- no explanation necessary
St Louis- See Washington

Did JR overpay for Reaves, YES. Then Sully never utilized the player and made the trade an epic disaster.

And please stop with the "reaves didn't prevent". You'll never know if tough guys prevent because when they are successful, nothing happens.

All I know is that Trouba targeted Jake........failed..............then targeted Sid and succeeded and it changed the entire series. And not one Penguin seemed bothered enough to respond.

Colorado and Tampa Bay did not have players like Reaves. Reaves is useless and a relic of the past. Reaves being on the Knights did not prevent Wilson from targeting Marchesseault and would not have prevented Trouba from targeting Sid and Jake.

Grit does not mean enforcer. Grit does not mean violence or even hits. Grit is how Sidney Crosby plays the game and that's what you need to win, I agree.

Sully was proven right that getting a useless piece of junk like Reaves was a waste. His strategy of ignoring the bs and granding bitches down (copyright Bylsma) with transition and forecheck was the way to go FOR THIS TEAM!

You win with guys like Max Talbot (which we need more of, yes) not Ryan f***ing Reaves. You need to be tough... but especially mentally tough.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

We got the shit beat out of us several times in both of the Cup runs. It finally came to a head in 2018. Not saying that lack of toughness was the sole reason we lost, but you could absolutely see a difference in physicality between teams that carried and the play and the one that didn't that year. Washington won, then it was St. Louis, and then it was Tampa. All teams managed to find the perfect blend of size, skill, and speed. We lacked the size and ability to push back.

The league evolves. Pretending that we were always going to be able to win with smaller, speedier forwards is being naive. Now was Reaves the answer to it all, no but I think they thought of him as a third line guy, not the 7min a game 4th liner that Sully turned him into.

True. Hence why I said you need more of the Max Talbot type. Warriors.

Guys like Reaves, who can barely play a regular shift, are a relic of the past though. Getting him to "protect" our stars was the stupidest shit ever. He is not a third liner and should not be thought of as such.

 

[Zirakzigil]

If Sid, Tang and Geno stay for $18M combined in 4-5 years and the cap is $95M, that is only 20% of the cap for the talented geezers.

If we can find a way to add impact players in their own right and make these guys complimentary, we can thread this needle.

I hear that MacKinnon guy idols Crosby, he might be an okay signing.

 

[Peat]

I 100% support the notion this team needs to play more hard-nosed hockey and that guys like Reaves aren't the answer to that.

If you must have an answer to violence, a large number of guys likely to headshot someone hard if provoked is about as good as it gets.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Eh, I like Reaves and he can fill a spot in the 4th line. Problem was Sully never wanted him and refused to play him in a role he could excel at.

 

[SEALBound]

True. Hence why I said you need more of the Max Talbot type. Warriors.

Guys like Reaves, who can barely play a regular shift, are a relic of the past though. Getting him to "protect" our stars was the stupidest shit ever. He is not a third liner and should not be thought of as such.

Yeah, I think you need more guys like Talbot but I also think you do need that 1 or 2 guys that can and will absolutely run over a guy - Trouba, Wilson, Zadorov, etc. Someone with the size that can do it.

 

[Darren McCord]

Can I just say with all the back and fourth here.......



At least we aren't Philly. What a train wreck.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Yeah, I think you need more guys like Talbot but I also think you do need that 1 or 2 guys that can and will absolutely run over a guy - Trouba, Wilson, Zadorov, etc. Someone with the size that can do it.

Fair enough, but these guys all have something in common: They are very good players.

We should not sacrifice skill for toughness. We should find skill that also has toughness. I know, easier said than done.

 

[ColePens]

Can I just say with all the back and fourth here.......



At least we aren't Philly. What a train wreck.

1975

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Flyers have Rasmus Ristolainen and Tony DeAngelo as their top-4 RD going forward

It might be okay if Ellis comes back, but those two can't play even a shred of defense.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Trade mcgin and dumolin for picks give Malkin 24/4 and we are in business

 

[Coastal Kev]

Colorado and Tampa Bay did not have players like Reaves. Reaves is useless and a relic of the past. Reaves being on the Knights did not prevent Wilson from targeting Marchesseault and would not have prevented Trouba from targeting Sid and Jake.

Grit does not mean enforcer. Grit does not mean violence or even hits. Grit is how Sidney Crosby plays the game and that's what you need to win, I agree.

Sully was proven right that getting a useless piece of junk like Reaves was a waste. His strategy of ignoring the bs and granding bitches down (copyright Bylsma) with transition and forecheck was the way to go FOR THIS TEAM!

You win with guys like Max Talbot (which we need more of, yes) not Ryan f***ing Reaves. You need to be tough... but especially mentally tough.

Then we are in agreement. I never pined for Reaves, but I only hated the price in getting him. I should note Reaves was pretty damn good during Vegas’s cup run.

Our team has no grit, Carolina is similar. They both look worse as the series goes longer. That’s on Sully and the FO.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Then we are in agreement. I never pined for Reaves, but I only hated the price in getting him. I should note Reaves was pretty damn good during Vegas’s cup run.

Our team has no grit, Carolina is similar. They both look worse as the series goes longer. That’s on Sully and the FO.

Honestly, replace Pettersson with a LD3 with more sandpaper and toughen up the bottom six and we are fine.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Fair enough, but these guys all have something in common: They are very good players.

We should not sacrifice skill for toughness. We should find skill that also has toughness. I know, easier said than done.

Or replace the plugs in our bottom six

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Or replace the plugs in our bottom six

Well, I am fine with Blueger, Carter and McGinn. The rest could use a refresh, indeed.

 

[SEALBound]

Fair enough, but these guys all have something in common: They are very good players.

We should not sacrifice skill for toughness. We should find skill that also has toughness. I know, easier said than done.

For sure easier said that done. Those types are highly coveted now. I think you can get the Max Talbots though. He was not a skilled guy by any stretch. He's more or less what McGinn is now and he seized his opportunity. Not unlike HBK, Talbot didn't do much past those 2.5 playoff series in 09. So for the guys that do become available, more often that not you do have to sacrifice skill for toughness. I think the goal should be to find a nice combination for a line of the speed-skill-toughness. Like Ovechkin-Kuzy-Wilson is a perfectly built line for today's NHL.

Trade mcgin and dumolin for picks give Malkin 24/4 and we are in business

You double posting all your posts?