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[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[TimmyD]

Wish list:

Stay away from ZAR and Simon or any other former Pens’ turd

Don’t re-sign Erod or Heinen (for a raise)

Dump one of Zucker or Kap

Dump one of Pettersson or Dumo

Build an actual second line

Find a legitimate backup, no CDS

I think this is a pretty reasonable list of things to want to see

 

[Pens x]

Optimistic view. We really should've won the Rangers series and having either goalie healthy would've been it. That Rangers team made the ECF.

If we make some changes to the supporting cast why couldn't this team win a few rounds?

Sully would get out-coached in a 7 game series against a lot of teams. People don’t criticize him and only blame the goalies as of late, but he’d be exposed…again.

Ask yourself, did we do anything after Trotz embarrassed us like 3 times in 4 years or when Jarry failed miserably against the isles and in game 7 against the rags/DeSmith never being available?

No, we did nothing. Why would the result be any different???

 

[Deport Ogie]

Wish list:

Stay away from ZAR and Simon or any other former Pens’ turd

Don’t re-sign Erod or Heinen (for a raise)

Dump one of Zucker or Kap

Dump one of Pettersson or Dumo

Build an actual second line

Find a legitimate backup, no CDS

This is a solid list honestly while I would add a few points.

I think CDS is a legitimate backup, especially at the cost. You're not going to do much better for under 2 million. If you want more of a vet in that role? Okay fine but you need at LEAST half a mil more, likely a full mil more.

Dumo is the guy to fire into the sun and I say that as a fan of his. Pettersson was analytically (I know I know) solid and is not on the downside. There's still a chance that Petts/Marino can be a legitimate shutdown pair as they showed in the playoffs.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I hated the Rust signing. I think he’s a product of getting force fed minutes with Sid (and Geno too) and I didn’t want him back at all. Most people on this board hated the Carter signing. You are calling people ignorant for not following your line of thinking regarding what the team should be doing…yet everyone else wants to silence you for having a different viewpoint. I did feel the need to explain it to you because you are the one who literally said “why even bother following this team?” I just answered your own question. We all know this team is going to suck royally in a few years. Not bringing Geno and Letang back does nothing to change that. No, it doesn’t “speed the process up” and allow us to get better sooner

First, I appreciate the fact that instead of going after me, you're challenging me on my opinion.

Second, can you point me to the post that I called anyone "ignorant"

Lastly, I disagree in regards the signings of 71 & 58, I absolutely thought that by not signing either there was a shot at getting better sooner.

 

[Flying Dego]

Sully would get out-coached in a 7 game series against a lot of teams. People don’t criticize him and only blame the goalies as of late, but he’d be exposed…again.

Ask yourself, did we do anything after Trotz embarrassed us like 3 times in 4 years or when Jarry failed miserably against the isles and in game 7 against the rags/DeSmith never being available?

No, we did nothing. Why would the result be any different???

If we didn't start Domingue in nearly every game? Yes I feel we would've closed the door in that series.

I'm not disagreeing on needing supporting cast changes. I also would've shuffled coaching long ago. But that's not an option clearly so I'm not going to stress myself about it.

 

[Darren McCord]

Wish list:

Stay away from ZAR and Simon or any other former Pens’ turd

Don’t re-sign Erod or Heinen (for a raise)

Dump one of Zucker or Kap

Dump one of Pettersson or Dumo

Build an actual second line

Find a legitimate backup, no CDS

Good list but CDS is here. Best hope is Blomqvist, Gauthier or Lindberg has a good year and pushes for a game by the end of the year. I don’t expect one to become the back up but one could become a good third option so there isn’t a dominque repeat.

This my only list lol

Stay away from ZAR and Simon or any other former Pens’ turd

Do that and it will be a better offseason than the last 2

 

[Scandale du Jour]

First, I appreciate the fact that instead of going after me, you're challenging me on my opinion.

Second, can you point me to the post that I called anyone "ignorant"

Lastly, I disagree in regards the signings of 71 & 58, I absolutely thought that by not signing either there was a shot at getting better sooner.

How?

Who do you sign/trade for (with our limited assets) to make the Penguins a better team NOW?

Or were you advocating for an immediate rebuild? If that's the case, you realize that likely means trading Jarry, Jake, Sid and Rusty?

 

[TimmyD]

First, I appreciate the fact that instead of going after me, you're challenging me on my opinion.

Second, can you point me to the post that I called anyone "ignorant"

Lastly, I disagree in regards the signings of 71 & 58, I absolutely thought that by not signing either there was a shot at getting better sooner.

“It's all about the appearance to their most ignorant segment of their fanbase.”

That’s a direct quote from you. So to me you are saying that the Penguins are appealing to fan sentiment and that any fan who feels that way and doesn’t believe they should go into a full scale rebuild at the moment is ignorant

 

[Darren McCord]

First, I appreciate the fact that instead of going after me, you're challenging me on my opinion.

Second, can you point me to the post that I called anyone "ignorant"

Lastly, I disagree in regards the signings of 71 & 58, I absolutely thought that by not signing either there was a shot at getting better sooner.

There is not 1 defensemen coming at 6.1 who will be better than letang next year.

Juries out on Malkins contract. But if he gets 6, the answer is the same.

Best case you get Kadri at like 8.5 and Klingberg at 7.5.

That’s almost 4 million extra in cap. And that’s best case if you could get those guys.

 

[Coastal Kev]

How?

Who do you sign/trade for (with our limited assets) to make the Penguins a better team NOW?

Or were you advocating for an immediate? If that's the case, you realize that likely means trading Jarry, Jake, Sid and Rusty?

There are several guys this offseason that I'm really interested in that their sum total would be less. You also don't have to use all of that cap space this offseason either. (or you can but offer 1 year contracts).

Who's available next year? Locking this team down with huge contracts with aging players, we're going to live through years of mediocrity. I don't know why it's so crazy to start moving on. Maybe they have a plan that will surprise us all, if so, I'll gladly admit that I wrong. But nothing about Hextall and his resume gives me confidence right now.

There is not 1 defensemen coming at 6.1 who will be better than letang next year.

Juries out on Malkins contract. But if he gets 6, the answer is the same.

Best case you get Kadri at like 8.5 and Klingberg at 7.5.

That’s almost 4 million extra in cap. And that’s best case if you could get those guys.

How about in years 23 to 28?

 

[chethejet]

Pens simply see the market place and there are no good options here. In Letang they lowered the AAV and at least with a move on Dumo or Petts the cap is good enough to sign Malkin at say 6 for 4 which I am not in favor of but Hextall is either told to or he wants to so it doesn't matter. Hextall is not rocking the boat but he did speak of the need for more physical play down low and more umph to win the board battles. Also they must feel the cap will rise in 2025 and so on thus the Letang cap hit will be less impactful then.

 

[Darren McCord]

There are several guys this offseason that I'm really interested in that their sum total would be less. You also don't have to use all of that cap space this offseason either. (or you can but offer 1 year contracts).

Who's available next year? Locking this team down with huge contracts with aging players, we're going to live through years of mediocrity. I don't know why it's so crazy to start moving on. Maybe they have a plan that will surprise us all, if so, I'll gladly admit that I wrong. But nothing about Hextall and his resume gives me confidence right now.


How about in years 23 to 28?

Once Crosby is gone this team is done. If you think they will magically get a top line center out of nothing your crazy. Years 4,5,6 don’t matter. That’s when your selling Jake Rust and everyone you can for picks.

Pittsburgh also isn’t attractive enough to land a top ufa like panarin or Tavares

Also who do bring in? Who is out there?

 

[ColePens]

Once Crosby is gone this team is done. If you think they will magically get a top line center out of nothing your crazy. Years 4,5,6 don’t matter. That’s when your selling Jake Rust and everyone you can for picks.

Pittsburgh also isn’t attractive enough to land a top ufa like panarin or Tavares

Also who do bring in? Who is out there?

Yeah i'd rather go all-in for 2-3 years and then go all out for 3 years and get the next Sid/Mario/G/Jagr.

I do not want to f***ing deal with what Detroit did which was trying to make it to the playoffs for no reason and no chance to win.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Once Crosby is gone this team is done. If you think they will magically get a top line center out of nothing your crazy. Years 4,5,6 don’t matter. That’s when your selling Jake Rust and everyone you can for picks.

Pittsburgh also isn’t attractive enough to land a top ufa like panarin or Tavares

Also who do bring in? Who is out there?

Well that looks to be the plan so most here should be happy.

I'm simply one fan who looks at their mindset these past 4-5 off-season's and hate nearly everything I see. I would have started moving people after 18. It's now 4 years later and people are resigned to watching old timers day for 6 years............and then we start rebuilding.

Yeah i'd rather go all-in for 2-3 years and then go all out for 3 years and get the next Sid/Mario/G/Jagr.

I do not want to f***ing deal with what Detroit did which was trying to make it to the playoffs for no reason and no chance to win.

I mean I know you loathe my opinions, but isn't this exactly what I have been trying to say?????

 

[JRS91]

If we didn't start Domingue in nearly every game? Yes I feel we would've closed the door in that series.

I'm not disagreeing on needing supporting cast changes. I also would've shuffled coaching long ago. But that's not an option clearly so I'm not going to stress myself about it.

While it's no guarantee, I think it's fair to say they would've won in 5-6 games with a healthy team.

They had a third string goalie for 90% of the series, were missing their best player for basically 2 games, and no Rakell for 5 games. That said, I'm not sure if they beat Carolina or Tampa Bay, but I guess we'll never know.

 

[Darren McCord]

Well that looks to be the plan so most here should be happy.

I'm simply one fan who looks at their mindset these past 4-5 off-season's and hate nearly everything I see. I would have started moving people after 18. It's now 4 years later and people are resigned to watching old timers day for 6 years............and then we start rebuilding.



I mean I know you loathe my opinions, but isn't this exactly what I have been trying to say?????

No holland went into the ufa pool to stay relevant. The Neilson contract is as atrocious.

They kept trying after Datsyuk left. It’s not the same until the penguins start overpaying in FA when Crosby and Malkin are gone.

Again you have two-three years left realistically with Crosby. Then you burn it all down. Detroit went like 5 years after datsyuk left before doing that

 

[chethejet]

Chicago is a big market franchise and they are now finally rebuilding from the floor and will stink for a couple years. Makes no sense to have a salary cap near the max and miss playoffs. Kane will be an interesting trade and can see Rangers, Boston, Islanders and Flyers having interest.

 

[ColePens]

Well that looks to be the plan so most here should be happy.

I'm simply one fan who looks at their mindset these past 4-5 off-season's and hate nearly everything I see. I would have started moving people after 18. It's now 4 years later and people are resigned to watching old timers day for 6 years............and then we start rebuilding.



I mean I know you loathe my opinions, but isn't this exactly what I have been trying to say?????

I mean i think you have created a bad reputation for yourself by never being able to compromise or communicate with an open end. So you dug yourself a hole you cannot get out of. You claimed this team was dead in 14/15 and we all knew they could win Cups.

Not every single one of your takes is bad. Most of the time, it's a valid discussion point. The problem is you are unwilling to discuss. Every opinion is a hill to die on. That's not conversation.

But yeah - it's not like you don't know the game. Most of your points are really solid discussion points. Just let the discussion occur with an open mind and great conversation even if it ends with an "agree to disagree" moment.

 

[Ryder71]

First, I appreciate the fact that instead of going after me, you're challenging me on my opinion.

Second, can you point me to the post that I called anyone "ignorant"

Lastly, I disagree in regards the signings of 71 & 58, I absolutely thought that by not signing either there was a shot at getting better sooner.

What the team is doing now is akin to a fools errand. We're not winning anything. Will the next couple of years be more compelling in bringing their dinosaurs back? Sure, but ultimately we're a fringe playoff team. Too many here can't let go of past glory. But it'll fill some seats and many here can pretend we're a legit contender. I agree I wouldn't have gone this route, I'd burn it down. Well, to a large degree.

 

[Headshot77]

I bet Crosby extends another 3 years after his deal is up anyway. We act like he's just gonna fall off a cliff in 3 years time.

 

[Deport Ogie]

I bet Crosby extends another 3 years after his deal is up anyway. We act like he's just gonna fall off a cliff in 3 years time.

He basically admitted as much while discussing the Letang deal yesterday. I don't have the exact quote but to paraphrase, Sid can absolutely see himself playing another 6 years and he definitely wants Letang and Malkin to be there with him.

I almost wonder if it could be a direct cause of some of the term issues that seemingly have cropped up in the Malkin conversations.

 

[chethejet]

It will be interesting to see if Hextall can get Rakell under contract. If he can for say 4.5 AAV then it is clear the Pens are going to continue to be a franchise that is not interested in any rebuild or retool in any major way. Trade Petts and or Dumo and use Kap as a way to bring in a more physical D man has to be the easy way to go here.

 

[Darren McCord]

I bet Crosby extends another 3 years after his deal is up anyway. We act like he's just gonna fall off a cliff in 3 years time.

I am not so sure. He will be 38 when his deal is up. Will he want to stay or chase one last cup. He wont be chasing records like Ovi. He will have won pretty much everything there is. Maybe he signs on for another year if Malkin gets 4.

But dont but on him signing a contract that takes him over 40.

 

[Pancakes]

I am not so sure. He will be 38 when his deal is up. Will he want to stay or chase one last cup. He wont be chasing records like Ovi. He will have won pretty much everything there is. Maybe he signs on for another year if Malkin gets 4.

But dont but on him signing a contract that takes him over 40.

I could see him retiring early a la Gretzky if he doesn't feel confident that he's dominant any more.

But on the other hand I could also see him playing into his 40s just to be able to finally be the defensive specialist/grinder he always wanted to be lol.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I mean i think you have created a bad reputation for yourself by never being able to compromise or communicate with an open end. So you dug yourself a hole you cannot get out of. You claimed this team was dead in 14/15 and we all knew they could win Cups.

Not every single one of your takes is bad. Most of the time, it's a valid discussion point. The problem is you are unwilling to discuss. Every opinion is a hill to die on. That's not conversation.

But yeah - it's not like you don't know the game. Most of your points are really solid discussion points. Just let the discussion occur with an open mind and great conversation even if it ends with an "agree to disagree" moment.

Couple of things:

The team in it's current state was dead in 14/15. In early jan/feb of 16, my tune changed drastically.......and for nearly 3 years I don't think I complained once.........up until Sully nuked JR on his desire to make the team tougher.

I own my bad rep, but I should point out that I never antagonize posters, only their opinions. My detractors cannot make the same claim.

I don't try to upset anyone here. I'm still somewhat passionate about the team for it takes me back to my youth. As passionate as I was then?? Not even close. That's why with most of my posts, there is a little bit of fun thrown in.

Lastly, I try to guard against putting too much negativity out there (hold the laughter please). I know that's not the perception. But if anyone cared to look, I truly limit my negative "moments" to pivot points.

One thing you should know about me is that I like change, and my favorite teams to follow are young teams with potential (which is why I have started following the Pirates once again).

I'll try to limit the negativity moving forward. My opinions on Hex and our Vets have been made and it's time to move on. I was hoping for massive change this offseason, just color me disappointed.