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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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HandshakeLine said:
The thing that would help Kap the most, I think, is having a stable position in the bottom 6 for him to find his game (and use where he excels like there and on the PK) I think. He's got these glimpses of putting it all together, but he doesn't have the confidence or mental game to be there all the time at the moment. He's not the kind of guy where rapid demotions/promotions seem to spark him to play better.
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I actually thought he looked good with Carter as his C for a spell
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I've said this a few times but I want the forward group to be this next year:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-Malkin-Trocheck
Heinen-Carter-Kapanen
O'Connor-Blueger-McGinn

What's interesting is that I actually think this forward group is attainable from a cap perspective if you get that 2nd line to sign for cheap enough. If Malkin signs for $6 million, Trocheck signs for $5.5 million and Rakell signs for $4.5 million, that works with the cap after moving Pettersson and Zucker.
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I feel like it's asking a lot to get both Pettersson and Zucker moved and without the Pens taking salary back in those trades.
 
Pancakes said:
I feel like it's asking a lot to get both Pettersson and Zucker moved and without the Pens taking salary back in those trades.
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You can do anything you want if you're willing to pay enough to do it :laugh:

But if you can't move both of them out without taking money back, just replace like Heinen with whoever you'd get back for Pettersson or Zucker. I imagine you could trade Pettersson or Zucker for a $2.5 million 3rd liner and add enough to the other one to get out of their contract entirely.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I've said this a few times but I want the forward group to be this next year:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-Malkin-Trocheck
Heinen-Carter-Kapanen
O'Connor-Blueger-McGinn
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If that works I'd be f***ing ecstatic

If we're still in fantasy land I'd consider doing this in the top 6

Jake/Sid/Malkin
Rake/Trocheck/Rust
Then whatever with the remainder
 
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Gretz is another voice for trading the first round pick…

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The Penguins should try to trade their first pick one way or another

By either adding an NHL player or moving back for more picks, that is where the pick’s value probably sits.
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Pancakes said:
I feel like it's asking a lot to get both Pettersson and Zucker moved and without the Pens taking salary back in those trades.
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you can still save some $ just like Tampa did with McDonagh…take a lesser contract back…
 
Thats What She Said said:
I actually thought he looked good with Carter as his C for a spell
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Yeah, I thought Kap looked good and occasionally great with Carter and Zucker, definitely much better and more consistent than with Geno. I also thought he looked good on the 3rd with McCann too.

Again, I see the rationale for wanting him in the top 6, he just isn't at the point there consistently where it's warranted, IMO. He's a frustrating guy because you can see that the tools are all there and when they click it works great. And then they don't click for 25 games at a time and you wonder what you even saw in him.
 
HandshakeLine said:
The thing that would help Kap the most, I think, is having a stable position in the bottom 6 for him to find his game (and use where he excels like there and on the PK) I think. He's got these glimpses of putting it all together, but he doesn't have the confidence or mental game to be there all the time at the moment. He's not the kind of guy where rapid demotions/promotions seem to spark him to play better.
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Oh so you're saying it's ALL Sullivan's fault?!?

/s
 
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Peat said:
I am up for rolling the dice again on Kapanen - not quite advocating, but kinda interested - if we can shift Zucker and get a top 6 option in that we like more for the money so he's a bottom 6 scoring piece with the potential to resurge and make a difference. If we can't, I don't think the money woks. One or t'other for me.
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If it means wiping Zucker's 5.5M off the books and replacing it with Kap's 2.5-3M I would take it, yeah.

That's like 2+ million you can potentially do a lot with. Or use it to help pay for some schlub like Strome IDK
 
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From a cap perspective, I think you could do something like this fairly easily to make that 2nd line work with the salary cap:

-Pettersson to Buffalo for Girgensons (saves $1.8 million)
-Zucker and a 2nd to Anaheim for nothing (saves $5.5 million)
-Don't re-sign Heinen and just bump McGinn up to the 3rd line LW spot

That gives you McGinn-Carter-Kapanen as a 3rd line and O'Connor-Blueger-Girgensons as a 4th line, and you should have enough money to give Malkin about $10 million worth of wingers.
 
Scandale du Jour said:
Well, we'd be pretty dumb not to qualify him then.
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We will likely qualify him but he still has to sign it. If we choose to qualify him at his min QO, he would absolutely elect arbitration. As others have said, we would likely be being something like $3mil+. The key would be offering him a balanced team-friendly + player-friendly deal and I think that could be 1-2yr right at $3mil.

I would rather make a trade for a player in a similar situation. Hopefully hit a Perron-Hagelin like deal with another similar RFA, maybe Kubalik. A lot may depend on signings and trades and what happens at the draft. Thankfully, Kapanen is a low priority.
 
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For my money, ERod was the C that Kappy really seemed to do well with. That Zucker-ERod-Kapanen line just carved out chance after chance. Can't remember too much that warmed my cockles about him and Carter tbh.

I would add that while I can see the case for stability helping Kapanen, if that's something he has to have, then he shouldn't be here given how many injuries we tend to have and how much we need players to move around the line up as a result.

edit: Which is why I'd prioritise Heinen over Kapanen if it came down to a choice. Heinen might be the most utterly vanilla Pen forward I've seen in forever, but his lines seem to work where ever he ends up and he can play both sides. Kappy is a fun lotto ticket.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Fiddle farting around with Kapanen and his QO seems like a bit of a hazardous game.

Potentially having all of Carter, McGinn, Zucker, and Kap at ~3M or more while not one of them looks better than aggressively average in the top six seems... rough.
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It's just not going to happen. IF they want Kap (and I think it's a massive IF), it won't be for anything more than 1.5-2M. That I'm sure of. But I think it's more likely he gets traded or isn't qualified.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I've said this a few times but I want the forward group to be this next year:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-Malkin-Trocheck
Heinen-Carter-Kapanen
O'Connor-Blueger-McGinn

What's interesting is that I actually think this forward group is attainable from a cap perspective if you get that 2nd line to sign for cheap enough. If Malkin signs for $6 million, Trocheck signs for $5.5 million and Rakell signs for $4.5 million, that works with the cap after moving Pettersson and Zucker.
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Too much Kapanen and I would take Copp or Burakovsky 100 times out of 100 over Trochek.
 
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jmelm said:
It's just not going to happen. IF they want Kap (and I think it's a massive IF), it won't be for anything more than 1.5-2M. That I'm sure of. But I think it's more likely he gets traded or isn't qualified.
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Maybe. I wouldn't get to stirred up about it if that's the way they choose to go. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see them bring him back into the fold. I don't think the team takes nearly the dim view of him that many of us do.
 
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