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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Empoleon8771 said:
From a cap perspective, I think you could do something like this fairly easily to make that 2nd line work with the salary cap:

-Pettersson to Buffalo for Girgensons (saves $1.8 million)
-Zucker and a 2nd to Anaheim for nothing (saves $5.5 million)
-Don't re-sign Heinen and just bump McGinn up to the 3rd line LW spot

That gives you McGinn-Carter-Kapanen as a 3rd line and O'Connor-Blueger-Girgensons as a 4th line, and you should have enough money to give Malkin about $10 million worth of wingers.
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Buffalo ain't taking Pettersson. They have 3 LHD they need to pay within 2 years (Power/Dahlin/Samuelsson).

I could see BUF or ARI or SEA or CHI taking Zucker + a 2nd, however.
 
jmelm said:
Buffalo ain't taking Pettersson. They have 3 LHD they need to pay within 2 years (Power/Dahlin/Samuelsson).

I could see BUF or ARI or SEA or CHI taking Zucker + a 2nd, however.
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I more just meant that you can easily find ways to clear out the money you'd need to beef up the 2nd line. You just need to be willing to pay to get rid of one of Zucker or Pettersson and then use the other one to get a cheaper overpaid depth forward. The only negative there is that you'd have to replace Heinen or Kapanen with that cheaper overpaid depth forward.
 
Andy99 said:


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Not shocking, but R Wilson fails my general test with tweets like these in that, while he's not wrong necessarily, he doesn't "name names". Like many here, there's this illusion...or perhaps DELUSION that if you have cap space going into FA that there will be these good deals to round out the roster and that's not necessarily the case. FA is high risk as if WE want a player for specific reason, there will be multiple teams wanting that player. That elevates the price and elevates the risk of not being able to sign them. So unless he names the names and deals he would like, the tweet is superficial garbage which, unironically exemplifies his entire twitter/blog presence.

That said, he's talking about moving 4 roster players. That's just not going to happen.
Thats What She Said said:
If that works I'd be f***ing ecstatic

If we're still in fantasy land I'd consider doing this in the top 6

Jake/Sid/Malkin
Rake/Trocheck/Rust
Then whatever with the remainder
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I'll echo my favoring of this. Long-time "Malkin to the wing" believer at this point.



That all said, if there are any dealings that are going to happen at the draft, hopefully Hextall has his shit in order. I think we are in for disappointment when it comes to moves in the draft. That said, I would be really pushing Malkin and Letang and their agents to get deals worked out before tomorrow's draft. Not gonna lie, if Malkin and his agent keep balking at the contracts and it looks dismal to sign him before FA, I would explore trading his rights.
 
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Unless we're getting Forsberg I'd rather keep Zucker and the 2nd and see what we can bullshit out of the situation and/or whether this is the year it goes so south there's no point spending anyway.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I more just meant that you can easily find ways to clear out the money you'd need to beef up the 2nd line. You just need to be willing to pay to get rid of one of Zucker or Pettersson and then use the other one to get a cheaper overpaid depth forward. The only negative there is that you'd have to replace Heinen or Kapanen with that cheaper overpaid depth forward.
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You need Hextall to be extremely proactive though. He isn’t know for doing that…

Be prepared for the fan boys to say but but but he had no cap space to do anything!
 
Peat said:
Unless we're getting Forsberg I'd rather keep Zucker and the 2nd and see what we can bullshit out of the situation and/or whether this is the year it goes so south there's no point spending anyway.
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I think it would cost dramatically more than a 2nd to acquire someone in-season on par with Trocheck than it would cost to sign him in UFA.

If there comes a situation where you could get out of Zucker's contract without paying anything, you're still going to need to trade for a top-6 forward at that point.
 
Goalie_Bob said:
My thought is that Letang doesn't want a deal longer than 3 years so that it coincides with when Crosby deal is up. There seems to be the general consensus that Letang wants 5 years...etc....but maybe he doesn't and that is where the length of contract debate is being processed between him and the Pens.

Aka, Pens want 4-5 years and Letang wants 3 years. Which is the opposite of what everyone has been discussing for the past 6 months.
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I think that sounds like a bad conspiracy theory. Even if Letang only wanted to play 3 more seasons, he would still ask for a 5 year deal so that if he accepted a 3 year term, the AAV would have to be higher. That would be his negotiating tactic.

I also believe the Pens when they say they don't want to go longer than 3 years (unless it's solely for the purpose of bringing the AAV down, and I'm still not sure they want to do that).

But I think Letang will sign a 3, 4 or 5 year deal and if he wants to retire a year or two early, he'll get his signing bonus or whatever and retire when he wants. Or this may not be his last contract and he'll play until he's 45 like Chelios.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I think it would cost dramatically more than a 2nd to acquire someone in-season on par with Trocheck than it would cost to sign him in UFA.

If there comes a situation where you could get out of Zucker's contract without paying anything, you're still going to need to trade for a top-6 forward at that point.
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Price of Rakell was 2nd + B prospect. That's obviously more, but not so much more I'd scream about it. That's the downside.

The upside is maybe Zucker and Malkin finally work together when fit, or maybe an unexpected turn of events has Zucker with Sid and Jake with Geno and that works, or maybe one of the LW prospects takes a big step and slots in, and we don't need to spend a 2nd at all.

And the direction I'm coming from is that this team is not in a position where it should be spending assets in the hope that puts them over the edge and they win a cup. It should be looking to make the playoffs in the hope something comes up, while harvesting assets in the hope of an easier rebuild or making a big splash on something that comes up. So unless Zucker moving makes a big name player, I don't believe we should be going there.

And given Hextall's behaviour so far, I've got a feeling that my preference is pretty close to his orders.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I more just meant that you can easily find ways to clear out the money you'd need to beef up the 2nd line. You just need to be willing to pay to get rid of one of Zucker or Pettersson and then use the other one to get a cheaper overpaid depth forward. The only negative there is that you'd have to replace Heinen or Kapanen with that cheaper overpaid depth forward.
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Didn't we argue before about not having to give up a draft pick to get someone to take Zucker? I'm glad you've come around ;)

I don't see it as a negative to replace Kapanen, and I don't know why you think it would need to be with "overpaid depth forward". Kapanen could be replaced by Puustinen for $800K. Zohorna will almost certainly be on the team (he has a spot to lose, if he sucks in training camp) and Hallander has an outside chance to compete for that spot.

Also, if this team doesn't believe in POJ and he's not on the roster, he could be traded for a young F who needs a fresh start. Maybe sometime like POJ for Zadina or Pool Party? Who knows, but there are options besides an overpaid depth dude.
 
Tarasenko still available. Shame there isn’t enough assets or space to get him.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
I'm not very high on Puljujarvi, but I don't think POJ is a prospect anyone outside of Pittsburgh gives the slightest shit about.
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Puljujarvi is intriguing but I honestly wonder if he's smart enough hockey-sense wise to play in Sullivan's system.
 
I feel like this team hasn't had a project forward pan out in the top six in forever so I'm betting that Puljujarvi would bust hard, here. Or quite possibly anywhere. He seems like another guy who won't ever put it together. But everyone is all hyped on finding the next Nuke so I get why his name has been passed around a lot of lips this offseason.
 
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Peat said:
Price of Rakell was 2nd + B prospect. That's obviously more, but not so much more I'd scream about it. That's the downside.

The upside is maybe Zucker and Malkin finally work together when fit, or maybe an unexpected turn of events has Zucker with Sid and Jake with Geno and that works, or maybe one of the LW prospects takes a big step and slots in, and we don't need to spend a 2nd at all.

And the direction I'm coming from is that this team is not in a position where it should be spending assets in the hope that puts them over the edge and they win a cup. It should be looking to make the playoffs in the hope something comes up, while harvesting assets in the hope of an easier rebuild or making a big splash on something that comes up. So unless Zucker moving makes a big name player, I don't believe we should be going there.

And given Hextall's behaviour so far, I've got a feeling that my preference is pretty close to his orders.
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I really don't see the upside you provided as a realistic one. I haven't seen anything from Zucker in the last 2 years that makes me think he'd rebound into the kind of player the Penguins hoped he could be. I don't think we truly know how well Malkin and Zucker mesh together, because they've just been so injured that they haven't played much together, but I haven't seen anything from Zucker's body of work to make me think he's a top-6 solution going forward. I'd be happy with him as a 3rd liner with Carter that can sub into the top-6 in case of injury, but I'm pretty sure they don't have the money to do that.

I'm also not sure I'd put Trocheck and Rakell on the same level, I personally have Trocheck as a bit better. Both are 50ish point guys in normal years, but Trocheck had a near PPG season in 2020-2021 and he's a bit better analytically as well.

If they go into next year with keeping Zucker and just having Zucker-Malkin-Rakell as the 2nd line, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
 
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Sid's hard to gauge, man. Health permitting, I think he'll still have gas in the tank when his deal is up, but I don't think he'll be super interested in playing for a team struggling to make the playoffs, nor do I think he'll be interested in picking up and moving elsewhere at 38 to play another couple seasons in a new place. He's way too much an obsessive creature of habit for that, imo. Think he'll probably just hang 'em up and either back away from hockey entirely or take some FO/scouting job with the Pens because hockey's all he's ever known, and if he decides to stop playing, he'll want to be around it in some capacity.
 
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