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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:
 
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Hextall really gave 5 mil to Carter and Casey De Woman Beater before signing 58 &71.
I don't agree with those signings, however I don't see them as reasons that would preclude us signing Geno or KL. They have nothing whatsoever to do with it TBTH. You're gonna have to pay for a 3C and back up goalie anyhow. Not sure why that matters at all in the context of signing Geno or Letang.
 
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I'll be there right with you if the next 10 days or so doesn't go well. But I'll at least give him that time to make the necessary upgrades, additions and tweaks.
It’s pretty clear that he won’t be making any tweaks, upgrades or additions in goal, no?

You know, the position that has cost us the last two seasons.

Lift your head out of the sand, guy. Hextall is a f***ing joke.
 
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Sources close to my dog tell me Kris Kristofferson is close to signing a 3-year, 69-million-dollar contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins Ice Hockey Club Team Association. Once he’s signed, expect Evgeni Nabokov to sign shortly after. Or before. Or during. Or never.


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Sources close to my dog tell me Kris Kristofferson is close to signing a 3-year, 69-million-dollar contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins Ice Hockey Club Team Association. Once he’s signed, expect Evgeni Nabokov to sign shortly after. Or before. Or during. Or never.


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Nabokov’s corpse could score on De Smith all the while deking out a slow, defensively lame Jeff Carter….
 
I don't even know if Reiden had that much to do with Matheson's turn around since Mikey Maths was pretty much universally viewed as being misused in Florida.
Math was misused in Florida but in many cases Dman dont just come to a new team and automatically hit a switch, there is a learning curve morso with D-men than other positions on the ice and learning the system.

Math is very talented and has skills you cant teach, it was gonna take some time fit into Sully's system. Your going to have lapse is actual D performance but his abilities make up for it. Its why I think we really need to find some toughness and stay at home guy for this D
 
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Well, me too. Which is why I said I am fine with blowing it up and starting the rebuild right now.

But they refuse to do that, so we have to critique what they are trying to do. They are failing miserably at trying for one more kick at the can.
Beginning to rebuild now will land them in purgatory for a long time unless they are also planning on forcing Crosby out the door


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Blaming DeSmith for getting hurt when Kreider crashed into him is silly.

I hear Avs fans want to jettison Darcy Kuemper. They're clamoring for a shorter goalie whose mask cage wouldn't have lined up perfectly with Johansen's stick blade.
Nah, I blame him for being a piece of shit and this team for continuously ignoring his past while acting like they actually give a shit.

You know what my strategy is? I just bought season tickets for my local Q team.

Diversifying my hockey portfolio ;)
I mean, I do have my place in Seattle…I should get kraken on seeing them a little more.
 
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Beginning to rebuild now will land them in purgatory for a long time unless they are also planning on forcing Crosby out the door


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They're in purgatory now, and have been for years, if they refuse to pick a lane and just continue cruising along. /shrug

Sid's also a psychotic creature of habit. I'm not convinced he'd ask to be dealt if the team stripped the roster down to studs and bolts. The dude has eaten the same pre-game meal for 20 years. I doubt he'd be stoked to pick up his life and play out the final years of his career in a wholly new environment.
 
It’s pretty clear that he won’t be making any tweaks, upgrades or additions in goal, no?

You know, the position that has cost us the last two seasons.

Lift your head out of the sand, guy. Hextall is a f***ing joke.

He's bringing back 2 goalies ranked 7th and 18th respectively in Save%...that puts them #2 in the NHL last year as a team.

Do you *really* think that these 2 goalies are the problem and *need* upgrade?
 
It’s pretty clear that he won’t be making any tweaks, upgrades or additions in goal, no?

You know, the position that has cost us the last two seasons.

Lift your head out of the sand, guy. Hextall is a f***ing joke.
I have to give him til say July 20th, I just feel that's what I have to do before I want to throw in the towel.
 
They're in purgatory now, and have been for years, if they refuse to pick a lane and just continue cruising along. /shrug

Sid's also a psychotic creature of habit. I'm not convinced he'd ask to be dealt if the team stripped the roster down to studs and bolts. The dude has eaten the same pre-game meal for 20 years. I doubt he'd be stoked to pick up his life and play out the final years of his career in a wholly new environment.
Exactly, and that's why you can't rebuild with him on the team. He's still good enough to prevent the Pens from being among the worst teams in the league. So let's say he plays 4 more years while the Pens rebuild and they collect picks in the 10-15 range. Once Crosby retires, the Pens are ready to bottom out. Except those picks are now starting to contribute and keep them from becoming Arizona, so they don't get a chance at a franchise-level player. But at the same time not good enough to lead the franchise to glory themselves. So the Penguins become the Flyers of the last decade.

It's not enough to just say you want to rebuild. You need a plan to build a championship-level team.
 
He's bringing back 2 goalies ranked 7th and 18th respectively in Save%...that puts them #2 in the NHL last year as a team.

Do you *really* think that these 2 goalies are the problem and *need* upgrade?
Yes, if we had a reliable back up goalie, we wouldn’t have been eliminated in the first round the past two seasons. I’d rather have a goalie that is available than DeSmith.

Let’s not forget how bad DeSmith was for months last year to start the year. They literally couldn’t rest Jarry because he kept costing them games.

I have to give him til say July 20th, I just feel that's what I have to do before I want to throw in the towel.
I’m not throwing in the towel, but re-signing him was simply laziness and settling.

This is what Hextall does though…
 
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This is probably the first time I actively don’t give a shit about this team winning anything anymore and am not mad anymore about what the Rangers did to them.
 
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This is probably the first time I actively don’t give a shit about this team winning anything anymore and am not mad anymore about what the Rangers did to them.
It’s very challenging to be that invested into the team with Hextall and Sully still here. Enough is enough, my god. How do people not see that these two bozos don’t know how to run the team?

I knew Hextall would suck, but I had higher expectations for FSG.
 
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Sid is not good enough to keep them competing.

Sid is marketable enough to keep the lukewarm (team) results coming - and the smoke and mirrors up for the casual fans to purchase tickets.

What’s really going on is setting this team up for 2003 all over again. Except 2003 is going to last for 5+ seasons.

The show has been over. This core can’t touch Carolina or the likes of - meanwhile the Avalanche, Lightning etc. There’s absolutely no shame in it - Generation next or whatever is done though. We are in line for a long stretch of tough years, and by the way management talks - they don’t care.

If Sid wants to compete, Sid probably has his choice of teams. No harm no foul. He can come back for a jersey retirement. However, continuing the beat our heads on the wall, at the expense of a deep prospect pool and young potential - is going to lead to 5k tickets sold a night, 3k being student rush.

This team doesn’t owe gratification to Sidney Crosby at the expense of the nightmare that’s going to follow.
 
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Yes, if we had a reliable back up goalie, we wouldn’t have been eliminated in the first round the past two seasons. I’d rather have a goalie that is available than DeSmith.

Let’s not forget how bad DeSmith was for months last year to start the year. They literally couldn’t rest Jarry because he kept costing them games.

You went up 3-1 in the series with Jarry and DeSmith unable to finish a game. Do you really want to solely blame the loss on DeSmith?
 
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Exactly, and that's why you can't rebuild with him on the team. He's still good enough to prevent the Pens from being among the worst teams in the league. So let's say he plays 4 more years while the Pens rebuild and they collect picks in the 10-15 range. Once Crosby retires, the Pens are ready to bottom out. Except those picks are now starting to contribute and keep them from becoming Arizona, so they don't get a chance at a franchise-level player. But at the same time not good enough to lead the franchise to glory themselves. So the Penguins become the Flyers of the last decade.

It's not enough to just say you want to rebuild. You need a plan to build a championship-level team.
Sid alone isn't going to power the team to the playoffs. That's not how hockey works. McDavid and Draisaitl, two of the very best players on earth and in the peak of their primes, barely eeked the Oilers into the playoffs in a far less competitive Western conference. Sid's very good, but he's not 115-120pt good anymore. If this team was a buncha schlubs and Sid, they're absolutely drafting in the top-10 comfortably, maybe even top-5. :laugh: Picks in the 10-15 range are out of the playoff picture, and if that's the case, just blow it up anyway because you can't even keep up the masquerade of being contenders. If this team continues to cruise along like they have been, they'll be a playoff team more likely than not. They won't have a snowball's chance in hell of competing for a Cup, but they'll make the playoffs.

That's purgatory. That sucks way worse than the team ripping off the band-aid and going full rebuild because they refuse to go and pull off the moves needed to reshape a roster that just can't get it done anymore. That's how the Red Wings turned a like 5 year rebuild into what's shaping up to be like a dozen year-long rebuild. :laugh:

It'd be less shitty to watch a team full of nobodies and cap landfill guys to hit the cap floor collect potential franchise pillars through the draft than it would be to know this team's neither got a shot at the Cup anymore, nor collecting premiere prospects in an attempt to climb back to legitimate relevance. /shrug

Fwiw, I'd prefer Hextall start removing bloated contracts and legitimately making a run at guys who add enough offensive punch to make a difference, like Forsberg, or JT Miller. I don't think that's realistic though, he's just not gonna do that and ownership--for all their bullshit media-speak, doesn't seem interested in forcing him to do things like that. I fully expect several more years of increasingly boring, mediocre hockey until the guys hang up their skates and the team's hand is forced. And again, I think that sucks.

Also, please spare me the "Boy I can't wait for the Pens to draft the next Nolan Patrick" bullshit. You need the top-5 picks to have a way better shot at landing the Makars, Heiskanens, Huberdeaus, Barkovs, MacKinnons, etc. If you consistently botch those picks, and I'm definitely agreeing they're not all going to pan out, your scouting/drafting/development teams suck shit and need wholesale replacing. That's an organizational issue and not a "you can't hope to build through the draft" thing.
 
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You went up 3-1 in the series with Jarry and DeSmith unable to finish a game. Do you really want to solely blame the loss on DeSmith?

I think something you need to know with this board is that people love complaining here :laugh:

Every single player has gotten shit from at least one person on this board. And yes, that even includes Crosby, who has been described as a loser who can't lead his team to victory. Yes, you read that right. The captain of 3 cup winners can't lead his team to victory.
 
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I think something you need to know with this board is that people love complaining here :laugh:

Every single player has gotten shit from at least one person on this board. And yes, that even includes Crosby, who has been described as a loser who can't lead his team to victory. Yes, you read that right. The captain of 3 cup winners can't lead his team to victory.

I'm a Flyers fan - I certainly get it. I'm enjoying complaining about another team's players right now since life is meaningless as a Flyers fan at the moment...just waiting for Fletcher to make our next mistake.

Insanity anyone would come at Sid at this point. I respect Sid so much now, I can't ever hate him even as a Philly fan. We have our own morons...half the fan base thought Giroux was a bad player, and that it was because the magical letter C on his chest is what did it. Scored a lot of points for a guy with a C-shaped anchor holding him down.
 
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It’s very challenging to be that invested into the team with Hextall and Sully still here. Enough is enough, my god. How do people not see that these two bozos don’t know how to run the team?

I knew Hextall would suck, but I had higher expectations for FSG.

Hextall isn’t even doing his actual job, he’s just a puppet for the Mario & Ron feat FSG leadership. I still can’t even judge Hextall. But Sullivan? Apparently 2 cups buys you the entire f***ing rope store. Having the most 1st round exits of any Penguins coach in the Crosby era is also a feat.

Look at what Ron has done so far…he cut some salary to add similar players back, kept most of the status quo, there really is barely a change in style of the team JR f***ed up and left behind.

Mind you, I would have liked Guerin as our GM before he left because JR wouldn’t f***ing retire, Chris McFarland was the top of my list but even recently the Avs denied interview requests because he’s likely taking the Avs GM job once Sakic moves up and can’t take credit for his work anymore.
 
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You went up 3-1 in the series with Jarry and DeSmith unable to finish a game. Do you really want to solely blame the loss on DeSmith?
It's a durability thing, imo. CDS has missed two crucial playoffs in a row due to injury. Adding to that, he was bad enough early on in the season that the team had to ride Jarry a bit more than they should've, which resulted in extra fatigue/wear and tear.

It's not the end of the world. I just think swapping out a backup goalie is about the least risk a GM can make, and the lack of an effort to do so sort of signals that the team's probably not interested in making actual, significant moves--which I think many of us think they need to in order to escape the spiral of 1st round exits they've been in for years, and if/when the team's back largely unchanged, stands to continue.

(And like HOG said, he's a piece of shit, but that's a whole different story off the ice.)
 

Though the Senators have held talks about moving their top selection, there’s also been plenty of buzz surrounding the future of goaltender Matt Murray with the club.

Several teams are looking for help in the net and Murray, a two-time Stanley Cup champion with the Pittsburgh Penguins, may be an option. The Blackhawks, Arizona Coyotes, Edmonton Oilers, Toronto Maple Leafs and the Devils are among those teams that are looking for a change.

The 28-year-old Murray has two years left with a cap hit of $6.25 million left on his contract and we all know he hasn’t performed up to expectations in Ottawa. If he’s dealt, it will be with the expectation that he can go somewhere and have success.

Injuries and inconsistency have plagued Murray’s stay with the Senators, but that doesn’t mean he can’t go elsewhere to have success. It will be interesting to see if Dorion gets any bites

I do not understand how there keeps being a market for Murray at this point.
 
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