Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:
 
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For real. I really don't have any favorites on this roster outside the obvious. It's an extremely boring team. Soon to get even more boring.



I have zero qualms with this approach if it gets them a real second line for a change.
More needs to be done, *ahem*Zucker, McGinn, Dumo, Petts, Marino*ahem* but yeah...

Would be cool if the organization wasn't just lazily floating down the river, leaving multiple years' worth of work in removing and replacing guys before they can even think about throwing the kitchen sink at a big addition for one final run.
 
Universal truths in hockey; there's an asinine overvaluing of vet presence, an asinine overvaluing of PK specialists, goalies and coaches are idiots.
 
Hextall really gave 5 mil to Carter and Casey De Woman Beater before signing 58 &71.
 
It's almost like Hextall can do 2 things at once :laugh:
Extending and overpaying a washed Carter? I mean i like the DeSmith deal, but get 71 and 58 done first.

Losing 3.2 mil of space to a washed floating Carter wasn't a good start.
 
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Extending and overpaying a washed Carter? I mean i like the DeSmith deal, but get 71 and 58 done first.

Losing 3.2 mil of space to a washed floating Carter wasn't a good start.

Carter signed his extension literally over 5 months ago.

He signed his extension in January when he had 26 points in 36 games, after he had been holding down the 2C role with Malkin injured.
 
Extending and overpaying a washed Carter? I mean i like the DeSmith deal, but get 71 and 58 done first.

Losing 3.2 mil of space to a washed floating Carter wasn't a good start.
Do you like back up goalies that were trash for almost an entire calendar year and not available come playoff time?

If so, great signing.
 
Carter signed his extension literally over 5 months ago.

He signed his extension in January when he had 26 points in 36 games, after he had been holding down the 2C role with Malkin injured.
Yah, Pretty dumb to rush and get that done with a 37 year olds and with two stars as upcoming UFAs. Just throw 3.2 Mil in the drain for no reason.

Carter is cooked.

Do you like back up goalies that were trash for almost an entire calendar year and not available come playoff time?

If so, great signing.
I mean, it is a good signing. His numbers are definitely better than his cap hit
 
Again, Carter has literally no relevance to the Penguins signing Letang and Malkin. If the Penguins wouldn't have signed Carter, they would be paying another 3C basically the same amount of money.

Malkin and Letang haven't signed yet because the Penguins and them haven't come to an agreement yet. Nothing the Penguins have done in the last year has any relevance to the Malkin and Letang situation.
 
I dunno. It just seemed like even when he would string together a good game or two or show some chemistry with a certain combination he'd get bucked down immediately as soon as it went one game without being terrific. Whereas your ERods and Carters could derp around for like a dozen games straight looking lost and stay right where they were.

Either way I'm not super enthusiastic about even halfheartedly defending the guy. Just making a general observation.

I have no proof without doing lots of research, but I really don't remember this, possibly because I don't really remember many good games from Kappy after about the thirty game mark. I don't really remember ERod or Carter looking as lost as Kappy either, which is saying something considering I'll go on the record as saying Carter's end of season is giving me JJ vibes.

I'm not saying Sully loves him to pieces and that he's the perfect coach for him, but there was virtually no time where I thought the likeliest answer for his short leash was anything other than his play. Someone with his size and speed should find it really easy to contribute to the roster when he's not scoring, but he did not, and that makes it real difficult to give him rope.

But just imo and all that.

I like the idea in theory, but I'm not really comfortable without adding another C when Geno leaves. Need injury insurance for when one of Crosby, Blue and Carter aren't available. Could be for a sizeable portion of the year. We did well in the reg season last year because ERod filled in nicely in those situations. Carter turns 38 in January. We were fortunate that he played 76 games, but I don't expect us to be that lucky again. Sid's quite old too.
Would feel a lot better with a safety net, especially come playoff time.

I think you'd have to add another C, yeah, but I'd happily target another Blueger if there is one over Domi.

Well if year 1 was strong to the point of it being unsustainable then year 2 was bad to the point of it being unsustainable. He played below his Toronto level. Swings both ways.
I expect him to be better in year 3, on whatever team he plays for.

Me too, I just don't feel a lot of trust about this being the best fit for both parties.

Another huge pet peeve-- if we are stacked with so many PKers, why are we so f***ing bad at it? :laugh:

You're right, we should have been 1st best instead of 3rd best, just inexcusable :nod:


Tbh I don't really get the complaining about McGinn. Other than getting very starstruck playing with Malkin and crapping the bed, I'm not sure what he did wrong or out of line with what he did in Carolina. Yeah, you prefer growing your own over buying them in... but Rutherford never planted any crops, and it's not like Tampa or Colorado leaned hard on home grown bottom sixes.
 


That would be a big time addition to the division.

Tbh I don't really get the complaining about McGinn. Other than getting very starstruck playing with Malkin and crapping the bed, I'm not sure what he did wrong or out of line with what he did in Carolina. Yeah, you prefer growing your own over buying them in... but Rutherford never planted any crops, and it's not like Tampa or Colorado leaned hard on home grown bottom sixes.

I think the issue with McGinn isn't with McGinn specifically, but the fact that the Penguins have all of Zucker, McGinn, Heinen and Kapanen while they have massive holes on their 2nd line.
 
Chychrun's the only guy I'd feel comfortable in replacing Letang with. The Pens sure as shit don't have anything to offer Arizona for him though.
 
Yah, Pretty dumb to rush and get that done with a 37 year olds and with two stars as upcoming UFAs. Just throw 3.2 Mil in the drain for no reason.

Carter is cooked.


I mean, it is a good signing. His numbers are definitely better than his cap hit
He was a dumpster fire for the first half of the season, and hasn’t been healthy for the playoffs…
 
I think the issue with McGinn isn't with McGinn specifically, but the fact that the Penguins have all of Zucker, McGinn, Heinen and Kapanen while they have massive holes on their 2nd line.

I think one of those players' cap value over a minimum wage player equals the other three's added together, which would seem to suggest a hierarchy of blame where most of it's been assigned before we ever reach the guy paid to be a good third liner who was mostly a good third liner.
 


Good article on Puljujarvi from JFresh here. The gist of what Oilers fans say about Puljujarvi is shown here. This section summed it up pretty well:

On the offensive side, Puljujärvi ranks fairly well at creating shots and chances, decently in transition, and miserably at playmaking. Defensively, he pressures opposing defencemen on the forecheck at an elite level and is a fair puck retriever in his own end. He is the beneficiary of a lot of high-danger passes, which makes it all the more egregious that he scored eight goals below expected this season - expected goal models can’t factor in pre-shot passing, so with a perfect model that number might be even worse.

I don't think the Kapanen comparisons to Puljujarvi are quite accurate. It's similar because he's dumb but his bigger issue is that he's bad at both playmaking and shooting. I don't really think that's a huge issue with Kapanen. Puljujarvi is just an incredibly weird player.

I think Puljujarvi would be amazing to put with a combination like Malkin and Neal, and you can probably argue that Guentzel and Crosby is that. But I don't think a mid 30s Crosby or Malkin is working with Puljujarvi.
 
Stylistically, two different players, but both Kap and Puljujarvi have permanent prospect brains where they're always trying to figure their game out and settle into things.

If the team didn't have pretty massive problems to address, I'd say f*** it, go for it. But this team has no 2nd line right now, and just re-signing Geno and rolling with like, Zucker-Geno-Kap or Heinen-Geno-Kap doesn't change that.
 
We lost the the last two years largely due to goaltending, but dumb f*** Hextall decides to re-sign the goalie that’s been injured and unable to play?

Can we stop praising our joke of a GM? This is just a lazy signing.

Under no circumstances should we have re-signed him. Never mind the fact that he sucked most of last year.

Hextall is trash
I'll be there right with you if the next 10 days or so doesn't go well. But I'll at least give him that time to make the necessary upgrades, additions and tweaks.
 
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