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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Jag68Sid87 said:
Well, me too. Which is why I said I am fine with blowing it up and starting the rebuild right now.

But they refuse to do that, so we have to critique what they are trying to do. They are failing miserably at trying for one more kick at the can.
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I think Sid can get another Cup with the Pens if they rebuild or restructure the team in someway.. Got to get all their cards just right.
 
Youth aren't put in a position to succeed because the youth available to this team via the prospect pool is pretty much universally considered to be the worst crop in the entire league.

No coach, Sully or otherwise, is going to bend over backwards to put guys like Zohorna or DOC or POJ in ideal conditions if it means risking losing a handful of games and falling behind in the playoff race in today's parity-rich NHL.

It's not like this team has a Caufield, Podkolzin, or some other top tier prospect that's being held back by the FO/coaching. It's a buncha C-tier or D-tier nobodies that any coach in the NHL would think of as afterthoughts. /shrug
 
Jag68Sid87 said:
There is more to GMing than winning trades and signings.

We are no closer to the Stanley Cup today than we were when Rutherford "resigned".

If Malkin walks, we have lost our last remaining hope that a Stanley Cup will be won before most of us all turn old and grey. Some of us are already there.
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Idk their roster when JR left was:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Malkin-Kapanen
McCann-Jankowski-ERod/Sceviour
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Marino
Matheson-Ceci

Jarry-DeSmith

Their healthy roster in the playoffs this year was:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Malkin-Rakell
Heinen-Carter-Kapanen
McGinn-Blueger-Rodrigues

Dumoulin-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Pettersson-Ruhwedel

Jarry-DeSmith

To me, their roster has clearly improved since what it was when JR left.
 
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Jag68Sid87 said:
Sid AND Geno both could, but not with Hextall's lack of proactive GMing and definitely not with Sullivan's "I only know one way to play the game" approach.
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You're a Hextall hater, aren't you?

Like no matter what he does, it isn't a good move in your eyes?
 
Jag68Sid87 said:
Sid AND Geno both could, but not with Hextall's lack of proactive GMing and definitely not with Sullivan's "I only know one way to play the game" approach.
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They need to get a no nonsense defensive game and players if possible.. Geno probably lacks that as well..
 
Jag68Sid87 said:
Well, me too. Which is why I said I am fine with blowing it up and starting the rebuild right now.

But they refuse to do that, so we have to critique what they are trying to do. They are failing miserably at trying for one more kick at the can.
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The thing is, I wont know what they’re doing until I see what happens with Letang and Geno. If they both come back at like 7 million, the franchise is just gonna milk this core for all its worth.

if they save some cash and make some moves or if they let them walk, Ill think they’re actively going for more

BrindamoursNose said:
You're a Hextall hater, aren't you?

Like no matter what he does, it isn't a good move in your eyes?
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There are some weird hextall takes on this board. I wouldn’t worry about it
 
Honour Over Glory said:
We're worse because of the way this coaching staff and GM are operating imo. Youth are not put in positions to succeed, insane bias and idiotic usage of players, first round exits don't mean anything in terms of accountability when you can lean hard into excuses instead.

I'd say enjoy the last 3yrs of Crosby's career but I'll find it f***ing hard to given everything else. And to the blokes that will be like "Oh relax" - they can save the f***ing bs about we've had it worse before...I've been a fan for over 4 decades. I know. I still f***ing hate it, so piss off.


Yeah I'd leave too Dana. But I don't know if I want to invest in another team after all this time.
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You know what my strategy is? I just bought season tickets for my local Q team.

Diversifying my hockey portfolio ;)
 
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Heinze had his eye on an out for at least a year as he took a step back for Taglianetti last season. Still kinda sad news. What's next... Jeff Jimerson?
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Idk their roster when JR left was:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Malkin-Kapanen
McCann-Jankowski-ERod/Sceviour
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Marino
Matheson-Ceci

Jarry-DeSmith

Their healthy roster in the playoffs this year was:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Malkin-Rakell
Heinen-Carter-Kapanen
McGinn-Blueger-Rodrigues

Dumoulin-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Pettersson-Ruhwedel

Jarry-DeSmith

To me, their roster has clearly improved since what it was when JR left.
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Results matter.
 
I think this board unnecessarily hates Kap. He is what he is: a good 3rd liner and PKer. Every time he’s done that, he’s been fine. Whenever he’s pushed for more, he’s tanked. That’s not Kap’s fault. It’s the team’s for not recognizing it.
 
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Jag68Sid87 said:
Results matter.
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Yes, and the results with Hextall have been better than the results with JR.

The Penguins at least make the 2nd round in each of the last 2 years with competent goaltending. In JR's last 2 years, the Penguins got embarrassed while getting competent goaltending. Even taking that factor out, the Penguins were abundantly more competitive against the Rangers and Islanders in the last 2 years than they were against the Habs and Islanders in JR's last 2 years.
 
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If you look at the number of players currently under contract relative to the cap space we have, we're better positioned than most. If we want a big name in free agency, we can most certainly make a legit run at them. Granted it's because Geno and Letang are coming off the books, but even if say we re sign Letang, we're in a strong position to get a couple really nice UFA's.
 
The roster is not in any way what it will look like on opening day, so it may be worth exercising a little bit of patience before nailing Hextall to the wall.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Yes, and the results with Hextall have been better than the results with JR.

The Penguins at least make the 2nd round in each of the last 2 years with competent goaltending. In JR's last 2 years, the Penguins got embarrassed while getting competent goaltending. Even taking that factor out, the Penguins were abundantly more competitive against the Rangers and Islanders in the last 2 years than they were against the Habs and Islanders in JR's last 2 years.
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Those are not results. That is conjecture. You make a fine lawyer.

Ryder71 said:
If you look at the number of players currently under contract relative to the cap space we have, we're better positioned than most. If we want a big name in free agency, we can most certainly make a legit run at them. Granted it's because Geno and Letang are coming off the books, but even if say we re sign Letang, we're in a strong position to get a couple really nice UFA's.
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You want to try to win a Stanley Cup without Malkin? Who are you going to get? Gaudreau? Forsberg? Trocheck? A trade for Miller?

We are not better off without Malkin barring something completely unforeseen, like a McDavid deal or some such.

We have taken Malkin for granted for so long it is not funny.

We think he has slipped, but that is from his status as one of the best players in the game. He is still easily one of the 3 best No. 2 centers in the NHL...and both Draisaitl and Stamkos play a lot of wing.
 
Hextall catches a lot of flak that should be directed at ownership, past and present, imo. I'm not a huge fan of Hextall, but he hasn't f***ed up and hemorrhaged assets. I'll take that over a GM spending years acting like Yosemite Sam and throwing assets all around for guys like Bjugstad, McCann, Tanev, Zucker, Kapanen and overpaying Petts and Marino.

If this team really, really wanted to gun for another Cup, Hextall either would've been fired and replaced or he would've been directly told to change approach and shakeup the roster to add significant players.
 
ThosePuckingPenguins said:
Being the equipment manager of a professional NHL team sounds awesome and I’m sure it was but I can also imagine it can be an exhausting one. Wouldn’t be surprised if he we read he’s taking a role somewhere a little more low key that requires less miles on the body.
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Maybe He wants to do something else in life?
 
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ThosePuckingPenguins said:
Being the equipment manager of a professional NHL team sounds awesome and I’m sure it was but I can also imagine it can be an exhausting one. Wouldn’t be surprised if he we read he’s taking a role somewhere a little more low key that requires less miles on the body.
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Yeah. He is good at what he does. You sure didn't see anyone flip out on him for not having their stick ready, that's for sure. All the best to him wherever he goes.
 
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Scandale du Jour said:
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Homeboy, I still think of the Avs as the Nords. :laugh: So congrats on your new cup!
 
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