Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[ColePens]

Consumers get the crappy hockey media because that's what sells. That is what people buy over and over. That's why I'm cynical about Taylor staying a great beat reporter here because in the end the market's gonna grind her down, like it ground down JB, Molinari, and... even D.K! It's weird to remember that he was once a really good cub reporter for the Pens and then the Pittsburgh media market somehow warped him.

People really do forget those 3 you mentioned being absolute incredible reporters/writers at one time. Then the click bait and ego (especially DK) got 'em and they changed.

 

[Darren McCord]

Not qualitfying Heinen...damn. They better have a good backup plan. For $1.1mil, scoring 18 goals playing on L1 through L4, they're gonna goof if they think they'll get that out of any ol' player. $3mil may be much for him realistically but looking at what standard mid-20s that are 20g scorers, it's not out of line.

Kapanen's QO is so low, I think you qualify him and then negotiate.

Trochek seems like a super obvious target, especially if Letang and Geno are coming in cheaper and we can move one of Zucker or Pettersson.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Rakell-Trocheck-Malkin

would be a great top 6.

I'm just worried we are going to lose a bunch of our quality depth scorers, sign "new" ones, and then not have them perform.

1.1 is good for Heinen 3mill is not. He could easily disappear next year. You dont take that 3million dollar risk. I am glad they let him walk.

You take that money and put it in the top 6. Let DOC and Zohorna have a shot to be the guy to over perform the contract.

 

[dogthateats]

You know Molinari is good bc he has worked for DK and PHN

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Not qualitfying Heinen...damn. They better have a good backup plan. For $1.1mil, scoring 18 goals playing on L1 through L4, they're gonna goof if they think they'll get that out of any ol' player. $3mil may be much for him realistically but looking at what standard mid-20s that are 20g scorers, it's not out of line.

Kapanen's QO is so low, I think you qualify him and then negotiate.

Trochek seems like a super obvious target, especially if Letang and Geno are coming in cheaper and we can move one of Zucker or Pettersson.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Rakell-Trocheck-Malkin

would be a great top 6.

I'm just worried we are going to lose a bunch of our quality depth scorers, sign "new" ones, and then not have them perform.

Isnt the issue though having too much of the same in our bottom 6? Everyone there is pretty vanilla. Lets see a few young guys and a tough guy to play against in the Miles Wood/ Clutterbuck style of hockey

 

[Peat]

I'm a long-standing proponent of us bringing in some bangers, but I think we can do that AND move McGinn if we're going to relegate him to 4th line duty.

Would be mildly surprised if McGinn ends up stapled to the 4th line. If nothing else, it would mean a fairly injury free season! But it would also mean the top 9 wingers all doing their job, Carter not getting passed by Blueger and so on and so on...

Not advocating for it, but I could see some sense in the Giroux idea. He'd be on about the same timeline as the rest of the core, flexible (C/LW), right wall on PP.

That said, the stars would have to align for it to be even remotely possible.

If you said left wall on PP I'd be more interested. But right wall is where all our talent want to play, even if Geno left, and right now, I think this team needs some reinforcements on a different time line.

LeBrun tweeting out that there’s been progress in talks between Malkin and Pens right after Yohe’s article is hilarious. The national guys always, always, always beat out the local media dorks.

LeBrun's update consisted of nothing of substance though.

 

[Pancakes]

I think we all need to realize that every single Pittsburgh media guy with these "sources" is horrible.

None of them ever break anything significant before Friedman etc and that's very frustrating.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

None of them ever break anything significant before Friedman etc and that's very frustrating.

My favorite is after a national guy breaks news, one of the locals will chime in and say ‘hearing the same thing’.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I also find it hilarious that Kingerski and Yohe posted opposite things regarding Heinen getting a qualifying offer only a few hours apart.

I only believe 2 things right now: the Penguins will re-sign Malkin and the Penguins REALLY want to find a way to sign Trocheck. The Pittsburgh media guys are wrong so often and Hextall leaks so little that I flat out do not believe anything they say.

 

[Peat]

None of them ever break anything significant before Friedman etc and that's very frustrating.

We're within a week of Rossi breaking Letang's contract would be 6 years.

 

[Ryder71]

Not qualitfying Heinen...damn. They better have a good backup plan. For $1.1mil, scoring 18 goals playing on L1 through L4, they're gonna goof if they think they'll get that out of any ol' player. $3mil may be much for him realistically but looking at what standard mid-20s that are 20g scorers, it's not out of line.

Kapanen's QO is so low, I think you qualify him and then negotiate.

Trochek seems like a super obvious target, especially if Letang and Geno are coming in cheaper and we can move one of Zucker or Pettersson.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Rakell-Trocheck-Malkin

would be a great top 6.

I'm just worried we are going to lose a bunch of our quality depth scorers, sign "new" ones, and then not have them perform.

Trocheck is a reasonable get after reupping Geno. Adding Rakell on top of that would be great, but that might be a bit too ambitious.

 

[Pancakes]

We're within a week of Rossi breaking Letang's contract would be 6 years.

Broken clock right twice a day etc.

That's the first legitimate scoop I can recall Rossi having in years.

Also, how many times was Rossi wrong during negotiations? Saying the cap hit would come in at this or that. Saying he didn't think Letang would sign at all. Etc etc.

 

[Pens x]

Trocheck is a reasonable get after reupping Geno. Adding Rakell on top of that would be great, but that might be a bit too ambitious.

Is it though? All it would take was not re-signing some depth guys and moving out a contract. Is it too ambitious or too ambitious considering who our GM is?

Oh and it might mean no to a Sully ZAR coffee buddies reunion.

 

[Deport Ogie]

We're within a week of Rossi breaking Letang's contract would be 6 years.

Props where due but something something blind squirrels and nuts and whatnot.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Broken clock right twice a day etc.

That's the first legitimate scoop I can recall Rossi having in years.

Also, how many times was Rossi wrong during negotiations? Saying the cap hit would come in at this or that. Saying he didn't think Letang would sign at all. Etc etc.

He said to not expect Letang, Malkin and Rust to be re-signed and then Rust re-signed five days later lmao

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Where is the Trochek report. Don’t like that idea.

 

[SEALBound]

1.1 is good for Heinen 3mill is not. He could easily disappear next year. You dont take that 3million dollar risk. I am glad they let him walk.

You take that money and put it in the top 6. Let DOC and Zohorna have a shot to be the guy to over perform the contract.

If the counter is "we use the saving to get Trocheck (or similar) and plug in DOC" then I would be okay with it. If you miss on both, and you're replacing Heinen with DOC or Z alone, that's an issue.

Whether people want to admit it or not, Heinen and ERod accounted for 37 goals last year. That's more or less, 2 20goal scorers. When talking about not signing these guys, I think we're flippantly dismissing their production and acting as if it's easily replaceable. I'm not sure it is. I think you have to overpay for guys in FA to get that production.

Isnt the issue though having too much of the same in our bottom 6? Everyone there is pretty vanilla. Lets see a few young guys and a tough guy to play against in the Miles Wood/ Clutterbuck style of hockey

Miles Wood is pretty vanilla sans his speed. He's Carl Hagelin-lite.

I get what you're saying though.

 

[Pens1566]

Would be mildly surprised if McGinn ends up stapled to the 4th line. If nothing else, it would mean a fairly injury free season! But it would also mean the top 9 wingers all doing their job, Carter not getting passed by Blueger and so on and so on...



If you said left wall on PP I'd be more interested. But right wall is where all our talent want to play, even if Geno left, and right now, I think this team needs some reinforcements on a different time line.



LeBrun's update consisted of nothing of substance though.

That was a brain fart on my part. Yes, I meant left wall. Was thinking "right shot" and f***ed it up ...

 

[HandshakeLine]

I'm not so sure I blame the market on DK. He had some success doing his thing and he got his head so far up his own ass as a result that he's where he is now.

Taylor doesn't seem to at least outwardly have a bad ego so maybe she'll come through ok.

Rossi, Yohe, and DK all have horrible egos and it shines through in their work. Jesse and Taylor either don't or if they do they at least keep their egos in check while writing and try to be as objective as possible. That's why they're good and the former three are not so much.

I'm hopeful that Taylor keeps up the good work. All journalism is a grind, but the sports pages seem to be a unique kind of slog that attracts or brings out some bad in people sometimes. Smizick, for example. I'm pulling for her to make it, though.

People really do forget those 3 you mentioned being absolute incredible reporters/writers at one time. Then the click bait and ego (especially DK) got 'em and they changed.

Yeah, I think Molinari just burned out and got ground down-- his reporting got snarkier and meaner over the years and the last time I sat down and read something that he wrote it just was... unpleasant. Maybe I got him on a bad day or something but he doesn't seem to actually like reporting on the Pens anymore. DK was actually a great reporter until he got that Pirates beat and then, well, he got weird. I'm not sure what JB's been doing lately but he got a lot less interesting when he moved to the Trib and now he's pretty much just background noise.

Maybe @Pancakes is right and it's an ego thing?

 

[Pancakes]

If the counter is "we use the saving to get Trocheck (or similar) and plug in DOC" then I would be okay with it. If you miss on both, and you're replacing Heinen with DOC or Z alone, that's an issue.

Whether people want to admit it or not, Heinen and ERod accounted for 37 goals last year. That's more or less, 2 20goal scorers. When talking about not signing these guys, I think we're flippantly dismissing their production and acting as if it's easily replaceable. I'm not sure it is. I think you have to overpay for guys in FA to get that production.

Miles Wood is pretty vanilla sans his speed. He's Carl Hagelin-lite.

I get what you're saying though.

I do think some production comes down to ice time. If Heinen and Erod leave, that ice time and PP time isn't just evaporating into the ether. Someone will get it, and they will likely make up at least part of that production. So I don't think it's as simple as oh 37 goals are leaving because other players will get the opportunity to replace that ice time/production and unless the replacements are awful they'll probably replace at least some of that.

 

[Ryder71]

Is it though? All it would take was not re-signing some depth guys and moving out a contract. Is it too ambitious or too ambitious considering who our GM is?

Oh and it might mean no to a Sully ZAR coffee buddies reunion.

So, in the next 48-72 hours we need to re sign geno, which will happen, then shed salary prior to free agency for more cap flexibility for two UFA's? Then try to sign those two UFA's. I can see Trocheck as I've stated for quite some time now. But that's a lot to get done in the next two to three days.

 

[LOGiK]

DeBrincat went for that? Why couldn't GMRH pick him up?
No Malkin sign yet... he's waiting to get to FA?
Hmmm

 

[HandshakeLine]

Don't we still have a grace period for getting under cap or did that change in the newest CBA?

 

[Colonel Mustard]

DeBrincat went for that? Why couldn't GMRH pick him up?
No Malkin sign yet... he's waiting to get to FA?
Hmmm

We had a 7 and 39 pick laying around?

 

[SEALBound]

I do think some production comes down to ice time. If Heinen and Erod leave, that ice time and PP time isn't just evaporating into the ether. Someone will get it, and they will likely make up at least part of that production. So I don't think it's as simple as oh 37 goals are leaving because other players will get the opportunity to replace that ice time/production and unless the replacements are awful they'll probably replace at least some of that.

Oh it absolutely does, I won't argue that. ERod for sure benefited from quality ice time and linemates. Heinen though played up and down the lineup and consistently produced, except down the stretch when he was really limited. And while we can make a leap in logic of "well, they won't get top 6 minutes so we may not have to worry about ice time therefore production expectations are less" I think we need to remember that we are a very injury prone team. We should be considering how 3 or 4th line players may fit in the top 6. Heinen, I'm good with as a top 6 or top 6 fill in.

 

[wheelz87]

Please move on from Kap…