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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Ryder71 said:
So, in the next 48-72 hours we need to re sign geno, which will happen, then shed salary prior to free agency for more cap flexibility for two UFA's? Then try to sign those two UFA's. I can see Trocheck as I've stated for quite some time now. But that's a lot to get done in the next two to three days.
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No one told Sleepy he had to wait this long…

Also, can’t you go over the cap limit during the summer? Do something bold for once.
 
Deport Ogie said:
The most likely reason to not qualify Heinen is concern on the inevitable arbitration award if they are not close on terms. They can continue negotiating as a UFA and may come to some agreement but he'll get offers on the market that are more than the Pens can/want to afford.
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Yeah, seems like they think they can either come to terms with Kap quickly or they will be okay in arbitration with him.
 
Pancakes said:
Broken clock right twice a day etc.

That's the first legitimate scoop I can recall Rossi having in years.

Also, how many times was Rossi wrong during negotiations? Saying the cap hit would come in at this or that. Saying he didn't think Letang would sign at all. Etc etc.
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Grading right or wrong on negotiation reports by whether they get the final result rather than whether they're accurately reporting what's going on at the given moment is one of the most horribly illogical things people do on this forum, and unless someone was sitting right by Hextall's shoulder reading his notes, pretty much none of us have a clue as to whether Rossi or any other journo was right or wrong at any given point of the negotiations. If that's the standard of course they look bad, and let's acknowledge pretty much all the national guys reporting on it were saying the exact same thing.

Tbh, I just don't understand the burning need that the general community has here to believe the worst of the Pittsburgh sports media at all possible opportunities. They read exactly the same as any sports media anywhere to me. Taking the national guys more seriously made sense at least when Rutherford was here and did all his leaking through them, but now it's Hextall and there's almost no leaks. they're equally in the dark.
 
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Pens x said:
No one told Sleepy he had to wait this long…

Also, can’t you go over the cap limit during the summer? Do something bold for once.
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I believe Vegas is over the cap now, sure you could do that. But then you'll pay a higher premium to have someone take a player off your hands as you'll be in a huge bind. Do you want to forego your 1st rounder next year?
 
Peat said:
Grading right or wrong on negotiation reports by whether they get the final result rather than whether they're accurately reporting what's going on at the given moment is one of the most horribly illogical things people do on this forum, and unless someone was sitting right by Hextall's shoulder reading his notes, pretty much none of us have a clue as to whether Rossi or any other journo was right or wrong at any given point of the negotiations. If that's the standard of course they look bad, and let's acknowledge pretty much all the national guys reporting on it were saying the exact same thing.

Tbh, I just don't understand the burning need that the general community has here to believe the worst of the Pittsburgh sports media at all possible opportunities. They read exactly the same as any sports media anywhere to me. Taking the national guys more seriously made sense at least when Rutherford was here and did all his leaking through them, but now it's Hextall and there's almost no leaks. they're equally in the dark.
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Ha ha you think Hextall takes notes?
 
SEALBound said:
If the counter is "we use the saving to get Trocheck (or similar) and plug in DOC" then I would be okay with it. If you miss on both, and you're replacing Heinen with DOC or Z alone, that's an issue.

Whether people want to admit it or not, Heinen and ERod accounted for 37 goals last year. That's more or less, 2 20goal scorers. When talking about not signing these guys, I think we're flippantly dismissing their production and acting as if it's easily replaceable. I'm not sure it is. I think you have to overpay for guys in FA to get that production.

Miles Wood is pretty vanilla sans his speed. He's Carl Hagelin-lite.

I get what you're saying though.
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Yes the counter is to bring in a better top 6.

Heinen and Erod at 5-6mil could easily turn back in pumpkins. You dont pay them off career years. Erod disappeared when his ice-time dropped. He is not getting that top 6 icetime again on this team. I do not see Erod as more than a 10-15 goal guy. Heinen sure.

I would much rather Rakell at 4.5-5 and DOC/Zohorna over those two.
 
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Deport Ogie said:
The most likely reason to not qualify Heinen is concern on the inevitable arbitration award if they are not close on terms. They can continue negotiating as a UFA and may come to some agreement but he'll get offers on the market that are more than the Pens can/want to afford.
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Yea I mean Kaps arb case is gonna be lower I’d imagine. For Heinen, just do what we did with Schultz if you want him back.
 
Ryder71 said:
I believe Vegas is over the cap now, sure you could do that. But then you'll pay a higher premium to have someone take a player off your hands as you'll be in a huge bind. Do you want to forego your 1st rounder next year?
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I’m not sure it would require a first round pick to unload cap later. Let’s be serious, Hextall won’t fix the roster later either in all likelihood.
 
Pens x said:
I’m not sure it would require a first round pick to unload cap later.
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Not sure either, but it could come to that IF you put yourself in CAP hell like that. Better to move salary prior and not have that scenario occur in the first place.
 
Ryder71 said:
Not sure either, but it could come to that IF you put yourself in CAP hell like that. Better to move salary prior and not have that scenario occur in the first place.
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I just think sleepy has so many balls in the air that he’s going to drop half of them at some point.
 
Peat said:
Also if the money works, I like anything that involves dodging promoting Carter into the top 6 if there's an injury.
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As I've said all along, Trocheck makes a ton of sense to target as a winger for Malkin. Trocheck can take faceoffs for Malkin, since Trocheck is good on faceoffs while Malkin is bad on faceoffs, and he can slide to 2C in case of a Malkin injury.

Trocheck fits the system like a glove, I completely believe he'd fit in amazingly well here. He has all of the speed, tenacity and grit that a Sullivan type of player needs to have to be successful here, while he brings some playmaking skill of his own to the table.
 
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I just think sleepy has so many balls in the air that he’s going to drop half of them at some point.
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S'possible.

It's just such an adjustment to have GM who keeps his balls behind closed doors as opposed to that last guy who would pull out his balls in public at any urging and also go in detail around the structure of each particular ball.
 
IcedCapp said:
No report. Just me saying it. Sorry
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Source: me. Lmao

Separately-

Trochek doesn’t bring any one trait to the table and imo we have too many guys like that. Not a bad player but I want to add guys with a skillset. More speed, or maybe someone with a ton of skill, or someone with a big shot.

VT is a little undersized. He lacks that extra gear. Doesn’t do one thing at a high level.

For instance, I know his contract sucks but Id prefer a power forward like Anderson, at least it mixes up the athleticism and physical side of things.

Plus I think he’ll (Trochek) age like shit, similar to Stepan’s drop off.

@Sidney the Kidney has touched on the lack of defining skill sets in our F group before, and I agree
 
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Peat said:
Grading right or wrong on negotiation reports by whether they get the final result rather than whether they're accurately reporting what's going on at the given moment is one of the most horribly illogical things people do on this forum, and unless someone was sitting right by Hextall's shoulder reading his notes, pretty much none of us have a clue as to whether Rossi or any other journo was right or wrong at any given point of the negotiations. If that's the standard of course they look bad, and let's acknowledge pretty much all the national guys reporting on it were saying the exact same thing.

Tbh, I just don't understand the burning need that the general community has here to believe the worst of the Pittsburgh sports media at all possible opportunities. They read exactly the same as any sports media anywhere to me. Taking the national guys more seriously made sense at least when Rutherford was here and did all his leaking through them, but now it's Hextall and there's almost no leaks. they're equally in the dark.
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But it's not that Rossi gets things wrong that irks me. He makes shit up, or sensationalizes what he does hear for effect.

Someone like Friedman might say "My sources say the negotiations between Letang and Hextall have stalled" and Rossi might hear the same thing and he'll jump right to "Kris Letang is not going to sign" and he does that just to get clicks.
 
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