Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[The GM]

I forget the exact number, but isn't like 30% of Granlund's production across his career from PP points? I think a FO would take note of that, and this team's current PP hierarchy, and realize that alone makes the guy an awful fit--ignoring the like, handful of other factors that solidify that he's a terrible fit.

I think he was brought in for his selke like defensive play

 

[tom_servo]

Oh man... this reminds me a bit of when the team lost both Sid and Malkin going into the playoffs (the Kovalev year) but they still played really well down the stretch and everyone was like HUZZAH!

But then they actually got to the portion of the program where you need talent to win and everyone was like fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

They should've won that series anyway up 3-1.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I actually drove out to Pittsburgh for a couple games for that 2012 Flyers series. What a waste of 10 hours on Rt. 76.

 

[Gurglesons]

Debrincat ain’t the answer.

 

[Peat]

The intensity from the rest of the team tends to drop when the big dogs come back. I hate it. And sometimes, if Letang comes back "bad" you'd be better off just...not having him out there.

The leadership has not been good for the last few years. And by that I mean the 3 actual core guys, the 3 guys who by tenure have become core, and the coach.

Sometimes I think that.

Sometimes I think we're talking some of the most respected leaders in the game, guys who still command a ton of respect from those around them even after some hard years (well, save Hextall), and maybe this shit is harder and more luck dependent than we think.

I think Debrincat is better than Guentzel by a smidge. I mean this a 40 goal winger.

Guentzel too, but Debrincat is younger and more electric.

Maybe I'm misinformed but I look at DeBrincat and see a guy who got those goals from being Kane's sniper and racking up huge PP totals, and who didn't bring it on an Ottawa team when asked to do more himself.

Guentzel has obviously benefited a ton from Sid and Geno, but he does more himself for my money. You put him on a line with Pinto and Batherson and I don't think it underwhelms the same way

 

[PensandCaps]

Sometimes I think that.

Sometimes I think we're talking some of the most respected leaders in the game, guys who still command a ton of respect from those around them even after some hard years (well, save Hextall), and maybe this shit is harder and more luck dependent than we think.



Maybe I'm misinformed but I look at DeBrincat and see a guy who got those goals from being Kane's sniper and racking up huge PP totals, and who didn't bring it on an Ottawa team when asked to do more himself.

Guentzel has obviously benefited a ton from Sid and Geno, but he does more himself for my money. You put him on a line with Pinto and Batherson and I don't think it underwhelms the same way

I see a guy who carried a twilight Kane tbh.

But maybe i have homer bias for hating Guentzel's season this year. I thought he was subpar.

 

[Peat]

I see a guy who carried a twilight Kane tbh.

But maybe i have homer bias for hating Guentzel's season this year. I thought he was subpar.

Could be. I guess we'll get a better feeling based on where he washes up next.

I'm not hugely in love with Jake's work right now either mind.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I see a guy who carried a twilight Kane tbh.

But maybe i have homer bias for hating Guentzel's season this year. I thought he was subpar.

When you watched the Hawks those last couple of years, DeBrincat was the guy you were expecting to score.

I don't think "another Guentzel" is what carries this team but Debrincat is that level of player

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm less enamored with Debrincat than I have been in recent seasons but even in a year where he was pretty unanimously considered to have an awful season, he was still a 27 goal, 66pt guy. Not sure I'd pay the price to acquire him to find out, let alone re-sign him, but I have a feeling he's still quite a good player.

If given the choice between the two, I'd pick Nylander over Debrincat 11 times out of 10 though. Not saying this team has a choice between the two, but just sayin'.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'm less enamored with Debrincat than I have been in recent seasons but even in a year where he was pretty unanimously considered to have an awful season, he was still a 27 goal, 66pt guy. Not sure I'd pay the price to acquire him to find out, let alone re-sign him, but I have a feeling he's still quite a good player.

If given the choice between the two, I'd pick Nylander over Debrincat 11 times out of 10 though. Not saying this team has a choice between the two, but just sayin'.

It helps Nylander still has another year at a huge cap savings by 2.0.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Lots of positivity coming in lately on the team from posters and good conversation.

Weird

Good jobs gents

 

[Andy99]

We just need a big bold move, something that says ”we’re back baby and here to play “…otherwise it’s gonna be a dud of a year and the players know it too…we need a couple youngish gamers to invigorate the vets…

 

[Gurglesons]

We just need a big bold move, something that says ”we’re back baby and here to play “…otherwise it’s gonna be a dud of a year and the players know it too…we need a couple youngish gamers to invigorate the vets…

Nobody is making these lol.

 

[IcedCapp]

Lots of positivity coming in lately on the team from posters and good conversation.

Weird

Good jobs gents

Hey now. I bet at least one poster here is a woman. … right?

Hellooooo, ladies?

 

[Peat]

Latest from LeBrun seems to enforce the ideas it's a big ol' standoff all round

Tampa want to try and keep Killorn (but probably wont)
Toronto will struggle to trade Nylander if he won't re-up because of cap
Offers for Hanifin aren't good enough
Offers for Karlsson aren't there unless the Sharks retain a bunch of cap

Cap, cap baby

 

[Malkinstheman]

I feel like the team whos about to sign Killorn is immediately going to have an albatross contract on their hands. Hes 34 and has a ton of mileage on him the last few years. His best hockey is behind him. Kunitz fell off right around the same time as well. At most you get one year out of Killorn, if that.

 

[Bishop7979]

I don't think New Jersey would do that because I don't think Jarry is a notable enough upgrade on Vanecek for them. It's the same way with Carolina, I don't think they'd want to give that big deal to Jarry over running with Andersen-Kochetkov.

I think Jarry falls in that "prime aged platoon goalie" category, which is the same category that guys like Korpisalo and Hill are in (or were in with Hill). It seems like most teams looking at goalies aren't looking for that right now, I think teams are looking for either clear starter upgrades or veterans for their young goalies.

Ottawa makes a lot of sense to me for Jarry because they have literally nothing in net and probably can't convince Hellebuyck or Ullmark to go there. But with someone like Buffalo, why would they give Jarry a huge deal when Levi is their goalie of the future? Or with someone like New Jersey, is Jarry even enough of an upgrade on Vanecek for them to even bother doing it?

I could see Jarry in LA next season. Looks like jersey was interested in both helle and ullmark, if they get one I’d look at the ask for schmid. I think the kids going to really good.

 

[Ryder71]

Not sure orlov would want to come here however I'd rather get him as a UFA then trade for Hanifin and give up young prospects or assets. And I really like Hanifin.

 

[Peat]

I could see Jarry in LA next season. Looks like jersey was interested in both helle and ullmark, if they get one I’d look at the ask for schmid. I think the kids going to really good.

They'll send Schmid down to Utica unless someone blows their minds with the offer.

If LA free up enough money to invest some in goaltending I'd have thought Korpisalo would be their guy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I could see Jarry in LA next season. Looks like jersey was interested in both helle and ullmark, if they get one I’d look at the ask for schmid. I think the kids going to really good.

LA doesn't have even close to the cap space to be able to afford Jarry. They're going to go with an ultra cheap option like Vladar because they don't have the cap space for anything more than that.

I legitimately can't believe that Chicago decided to pay Foligno and Perry $4 million each over trading for more bad contracts from other teams.

 

[Peat]

I legitimately can't believe that Chicago decided to pay Foligno and Perry $4 million each over trading for more bad contracts from other teams.

I get it. It's all about giving Bedard the best possible start for the best possible career for them. Guys like Foligno and Perry will be right up in the face of anyone who wants to mess with Bedard, and they'll give him a ton of veteran advice too. They'll also be pretty chill and good about the fact that they're on a team designed to be bad, and keep others chill about it too.

And then because they're one year contracts, Chicago can start building for serious next year if they want.

Besides, it's not like they still can't take a bunch of bad contracts if they want, particularly on LD. And they've already got 28 picks over the next three drafts, including 5 1st rounders and 8 2nd rounders. More is always nice but diminishing returns here.

edit: And in any case, the desire to dump Granlund and Petry aside, the more teams who want to take themselves out of helping the cap strugglers, the happier I am. Bring Toews back for 1 x 10m while they're at it.

 

[Pancakes]

Chicago is trying the 05-06 Craig Patrick strat. Washed up vets to boost up their young star.

 

[Turin]

Sooo Montreal is really up against the cap. Is Dvorak salvageable?

Also damn Toronto has 5 million available to sign Samsonov and 5 forwards.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I get it. It's all about giving Bedard the best possible start for the best possible career for them. Guys like Foligno and Perry will be right up in the face of anyone who wants to mess with Bedard, and they'll give him a ton of veteran advice too. They'll also be pretty chill and good about the fact that they're on a team designed to be bad, and keep others chill about it too.

And then because they're one year contracts, Chicago can start building for serious next year if they want.

Besides, it's not like they still can't take a bunch of bad contracts if they want, particularly on LD. And they've already got 28 picks over the next three drafts, including 5 1st rounders and 8 2nd rounders. More is always nice but diminishing returns here.

edit: And in any case, the desire to dump Granlund and Petry aside, the more teams who want to take themselves out of helping the cap strugglers, the happier I am. Bring Toews back for 1 x 10m while they're at it.

Idk I feel like it's more that Perry and Foligno are both not good anymore so I don't understand spending $8 million on them.

Now granted would a good player take a 1 year, heavily inflated salary? Definitely unlikely. I actually agree with you that Toews makes a ton of sense for that kind of deal, but the Hawks cut bait with him AFAIK.

 

[Peat]

Idk I feel like it's more that Perry and Foligno are both not good anymore so I don't understand spending $8 million on them.

Now granted would a good player take a 1 year, heavily inflated salary? Definitely unlikely. I actually agree with you that Toews makes a ton of sense for that kind of deal, but the Hawks cut bait with him AFAIK.

They're not paying them to be good skaters. They're paying them to be good team mates.

Chicago are being deliberately bad again. They'll be better in that they'll have Bedard on ice and a good unit around him, but other than that, they don't want to be good. They don't have enough prospects to be done picking high and often.

So the rest of the team is going to be great locker room guys, tough guys, hard to play against guys so at least it's not embarrassing, mixed in with a bunch of young kids with things to prove who might give the Blackhawks a few more hits or deadline sales.