Post-Game Talk: Pens/Isles Game 1: Home Ice + Good Matchup all for nothing

[Shaftception]

Every year we blame the goalie but what about the system/team defense? Way less skilled team in the Islanders had 41 shots. We only had 1 more shot while taking way more risk and they trapped. So what's really the issue here ?

Trapping teams =/= don't generate shots. The dynasty Devils in the heydey of the trap shot and scored a lot. The trap generates offense through turnovers trying to break the trap, this has always been true. It's exactly the reason low skilled teams have always played it, because it's the easiest way for low skill rosters to generate offense.

The trick to playing against the trap is not playing right into it's hands and gifting the trapping team the offensive chances they so desperately need and have trouble generating on their own.

 

[TKalltheTime]

My issue with Rust is he's either just going out for a skate and achieves nothing, or when he does get the puck he's trying to be fancy instead of just shooting the puck.

He needs to simplify his game right now. Literally just adopt the Tyler Kennedy approach and Rust would be way more effective than he is right now with his stupid fancy stickhandling shit and behind the back pass attempts to no one.

GOOD f***ING LORD…

 

[Empoleon8771]

I mean our goaltending was good enough to win us the division. They're playing poorly when it matters and that sucks but that could just as easily happen if we put more money into the position. Look at Maf for years being a solid regular season goalie only to implode in the playoffs.

To me it's perilous to overcompensate for playoff failures. Anything can happen in a short series. You put together a roster that can win a lot of regular season games and hope for the best when the playoffs arrive. Unfortunately in the past few years our goaltending has been a disaster when it matters. If it were just one guy I'd say replace that guy but we already replaced Murray and it's the same result. So what can ya do.

Good enough to win in the regular season does not mean good enough to win in the playoffs. Go ask Washington and Toronto about that.

Andersen and Hellebuyck are top five in SV% over the last three years.

Bob and Fleury are top five and don't seem to have any cups from my recollection.

The Jets have more success than the Penguins in the last 3 years. Andersen isn't a top goalie. Bobrovsky fell off a cliff years ago. The Knights have had more success in the playoffs than the Penguins in the last 3 years.

 

[Andy99]

 

[Gurglesons]

Good enough to win in the regular season does not mean good enough to win in the playoffs. Go ask Washington and Toronto about that.



The Jets have more success than the Penguins in the last 3 years. Andersen isn't a top goalie. Bobrovsky fell off a cliff years ago. The Knights have had more success in the playoffs than the Penguins in the last 3 years.

So the top five goals in SV% aren't top goalies because they aren't top goalies and fell off a cliff years ago?

The Jets lost in the first round, the qualifier and now are a bottom seed.

Are you blaming 17-18 on goaltending?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

GOOD f***ING LORD…

Yes, making blind passes to no one and carrying the puck over the blueline with two defenders right in front of you only to turn it over is much better than Rust shooting the puck when he gets the chance.

Good lord indeed.

 

[Shaftception]

Blame Jarry all you want. He had some big saves too, but obviously some bad goals. What bothers me more is that we weren´t better at all. Horrible 3rd period. Generated very little and it had a loss written all over them since the start of the OT too. This is not nearly enough. If we can´t even have a slight edge in play at home, then this series is gonna end very sadly. Again. Losing every OT in the playoffs. This team just can´t bring it big time anymore.

They don't have to better the whole game. A trapping team is always going to be better late in games if they're tied or have a lead then their opponents, it's the hallmark of trapping teams.

The blueprint to beating them is scoring early and playing safe when up with the lead, the Pens until the 3rd had accomplished the first part as needed.

Don't give the trapping team free scoring chances. Eventually they'll need to take risks to generate something, which expends extra energy, allowing you to not look so terrible against them as the game goes on.

 

[larueskee]

Jarry wasn't good but Marino minus 3? What happened to this guy? Did Sully Justin Schultz him? He keeps playing like that and he will be Ian Coled right out of town even if he has to eat part the 4.4 million extension. Its Olli Maata all over again.

 

[The Old Master]

If it were just one guy I'd say replace that guy but we already replaced Murray and it's the same result. So what can ya do.

and they were all scored high glove side just like on murr. could be the goalie coach?

 

[canadianguy77]

Trapping teams =/= don't generate shots. The dynasty Devils in the heydey of the trap shot and scored a lot. The trap generates offense through turnovers trying to break the trap, this has always been true. It's exactly the reason low skilled teams have always played it, because it's the easiest way for low skill rosters to generate offense.

The trick to playing against the trap is not playing right into it's hands and gifting the trapping team the offensive chances they so desperately need and have trouble generating on their own.

I don’t even know if I’d call what they do a “trap.” They forecheck like motherf***ers, so they’re definitely not passive. Where they kill us is that they’re so adept at reading our cycles and breaking them up and going the other way, so we end up with a lot of one and done possessions. It’s tiring and frustrating for the players I’m sure.

 

[Richard]

Where did this less energy to play the trap and shut down defense come from? The Islanders out worked us for stretches in this game and Trots style is extremely hard to play. Where are you guys getting this stuff from?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

They don't have to better the whole game. A trapping team is always going to be better late in games if they're tied or have a lead then their opponents, it's the hallmark of trapping teams.

The blueprint to beating them is scoring early and playing safe when up with the lead, the Pens until the 3rd had accomplished the first part as needed.

Don't give the trapping team free scoring chances. Eventually they'll need to take risks to generate something, which expends extra energy, allowing you to not look so terrible against them as the game goes on.

And that relies on your goalie not giving up multiple soft goals in one game.

 

[vodeni]

well sully is 2-13 in the last 15 playoff games, lost last 9, by sticking to his plan...maybe its time to mix it up

 

[Empoleon8771]

So the top five goals in SV% aren't top goalies because they aren't top goalies and fell off a cliff years ago?

What year are you looking at to say that Bobrovsky was a top-5 goalie? His last great season was in 17-18, where the Jackets lost in the 1st round. Since then, he's been below average.

The jets lost in the first round, the qualifier and now are a bottom seed.

And the Jets made the WCF in 2018, which is more success than the Penguins have had over the last 3 years.

 

[Pancakes]

I will say this is as disappointed as I've felt since Game 5 of the ECF in 2016. Luckily that one went differently.

The powerplay could have changed this game. I laugh at allllllllllll the f***ing "pundits" writing about this series in the last week. All of them f***ing pen to paper a bunch of bullshit. It's always been special teams. We score on the powerplay, we play a different game. If we play into that 1 goal game, the Isles feed off of it and as mentioned - they get better. They thrive in the 1 goal games.

Masssssssssssssssssively disappointed.

What disappoints me is how we got worse as the game went along and the Isles got better. I never like to see that. The Isles settled into their game and started taking it to us and we had no response. Yeah it sucks losing the game on that Palmieri shot but the Isles had the better of chances all overtime. If they didn't win there they probably would have won on some other play. We were generating absolutely nothing that overtime and for much of the latter half of the game.

Hopefully Geno is back for game 2 and we can ride the wave of his return to a win. I'm not that concerned about losing home ice advantage. That's whatever. The Pens ALWAYS do things the hard way, even when they win cups. It's never easy. Can't go down 0-2 though. Game 2 looms large.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don’t even know if I’d call what they do a “trap.” They forecheck like motherf***ers, so they’re definitely not passive. Where they kill us is that they’re so adept at reading our cycles and breaking them up and going the other way, so we end up with a lot of one and done possessions. It’s tiring and frustrating for the players I’m sure.

I didn't really get that vibe today. We did what we usually did. Gave away the game with a combination of poor special teams, bad goals by our goalie, and general disinterest when we could put away the game.

 

[Richard]

and they were all scored high glove side just like on murr. could be the goalie coach?

They did not score high glove, they scored glove hand side. All four goals against were due to improper positioning NOT a "glove hand."

Jarry was out of control. I'd have pulled him after PJ's goal against.

 

[Dangles78]

Jarry wasn't good but Marino minus 3? What happened to this guy? Did Sully Justin Schultz him? He keeps playing like that and he will be Ian Coled right out of town even if he has to eat part the 4.4 million extension. It Olli Maata all over again.

Looking at +/- to evaluate a d-mans game is an awful approach especially when your goalie lets in goals like Jarry did.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Before today’s game I, like many here, had a feeling about this team and this season. While today’s loss is deflating, I still have that feeling. Obviously game 2 is key and IF the Pens lose, well I don’t need to say more.
Defensively they have to be better. Sully probably needs to make some adjustments to the lineup, but he won’t.

 

[Gurglesons]

What year are you looking at to say that Bobrovsky was a top-5 goalie? His last great season was in 17-18, where the Jackets lost in the 1st round. Since then, he's been below average.



And the Jets made the WCF in 2018, which is more success than the Penguins have had over the last 3 years.

So you are including 2017-18 in this discussion.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

 

[vodeni]

I can agree to degree here. But aside from L1, I think our depth largely got outplayed. BART seemed pretty even, but I wasn't impressed with L2 and L3 at all despite them scoring.

BART outshot 10:3 but I can't think of one decent chance except maybe that ZAR's

 

[The Old Master]

Jarry wasn't good but Marino minus 3? What happened to this guy? Did Sully Justin Schultz him? He keeps playing like that and he will be Ian Coled right out of town even if he has to eat part the 4.4 million extension. It Olli Maata all over again.

that's the chance you take with young players they are not always consistent.

 

[wgknestrick]

The difference in bench management TOI between PIT and NYI is pretty large.

NYI forwards: No players below 15min and 0 players over 21min.
PIT forwards: 3 players under 15min. 3 players over 25min

If you are wondering why PIT seems to lose steam in the 3rd period, maybe stop running L1 into the ground while benching L4?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Game 2 is a must-win, pretty much. For all the vaunted home ice advantage stuff, going down 0-2 heading back to the Island would deflate this team real quick.

We probably win today if Jarry is average though. Not that we would've crushed 'em or anything, it was real close in terms of play imo, but Jarry's lapses f***ed us.