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So they want to get a speedy, young, cost affective and not give anything of value up?
Rumor: Pens and Canucks talking trade
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So they want to get a speedy, young, cost affective and not give anything of value up?
Empoleon8771
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No, I think Jim Rutherford is incredibly impatient and has shown a massive track record of hemorrhaging assets and overpaying for players.
You're arguing with fans who saw Jim Rutherford's work far more than you have. Jim Rutherford is who he is. He's an impatient gambler.
I dont follow Pens much? what is their Right Side D look like and RD prospects?
RD is Canucks biggest need. Marino would fit the need. is he untouchable?
where does it say they wont give anything of Value?
To me, everyone can be available for the right return. Everyone except Hughes Petterrsson Demko
That means:
Boeser
Miller
Horvat
I'd say those are pretty valuable chips wouldnt you?
There are 4 players that I think Rutherford is a) interested in and b) thinks he can actually trade for from Pitt. Those players (I'm sorry nucks fans, you probably won't like any of them much) I believe are Kapenen, Zucker, Petterson and Matheson.
Notice I have left Marino out of that list. The reason is because JR knows that the Pens have Letang, Marino and pretty much nothing else on their right side. Kapp is a player that JR likes, is in the right age group and has speed. Personally as a Pens fan, I am not ready to give up on him yet. Zucker is a guy JR likes, but the cap hit is an issue and his age. Matheson is a guy JR likes, but JR knows that no one around the Canucks organization would be interested. So Petterson is the guy he will likely be focused on, but as a Pens fan, they would be dumb to move him now, as he has been the best LD for them this season (yes he has been better than Dumo).
So any trade proposals between the teams should be focused on Marcus.
However the first trade won't come until the team falters slightly under Budreau or near the end of January. JR does like to make his mark, but he loves the mid to late January trades.
Notice I have left Marino out of that list. The reason is because JR knows that the Pens have Letang, Marino and pretty much nothing else on their right side. Kapp is a player that JR likes, is in the right age group and has speed. Personally as a Pens fan, I am not ready to give up on him yet. Zucker is a guy JR likes, but the cap hit is an issue and his age. Matheson is a guy JR likes, but JR knows that no one around the Canucks organization would be interested. So Petterson is the guy he will likely be focused on, but as a Pens fan, they would be dumb to move him now, as he has been the best LD for them this season (yes he has been better than Dumo).
So any trade proposals between the teams should be focused on Marcus.
However the first trade won't come until the team falters slightly under Budreau or near the end of January. JR does like to make his mark, but he loves the mid to late January trades.
Empoleon8771
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Their 3rd pair RD is Chad Ruhwedel and their best RD prospect is Will Reilly. They very much can't afford to trade Marino, especially with Letang not being under contract beyond this year.
I keep joking about it in other threads, but Kapanen to Vancouver for one of their wingers (presumably a LWer) is really the only deal here that makes sense.
It will most certainly not. Miller is 18th in league scoring, 16th overall in the league since he became a Canuck. At 28 he is signed for this year and next for LESS than Zucker. This is an impact player on a great contract with versatility that every contender will be bidding on if he's available. I'm not sure a cap dump and any of the Penguins prospects would do it as their pool looks about as thin as it gets.
The Grim Reaper
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I think Rutherford is a gunslinger in a sense that he sees a problem, he will fix it.
but I dont think he hemorrhage assets in Vancouver like he did in Pittsburgh because of the different type of competitive window that each team was and is in.
Like I said, he already publicly stated yesterday,
"Canucks arent trading early draft picks, its not the cycle we are in" He also said he wants young players that will grow with the core.
These are completely different marching orders that he shown in Pitt.
This might also be a moot point, as everyone in Vancouver suspects there will be a new GM by January and Rutherford will focus on Hockey Ops.
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I'm going to keep shitposting "Kapanen to Vancouver" until it happens
Actually, that's who I thought of immediately.
Kapanen's that right age Vancouver is looking for, plus Sullivan seems to not like him so he's probably the most likely piece available that's worth something.
but why would that make sense for Vancouver?
They have plenty of wingers.
Miller
Garland
Hoglander
Podkolzin
Dickenson
Pearson
Not saying Kapanen wouldnt be an upgrade on some of those players, I just dont think the Canucks are gonna waste their bullets just to get another winger in return.
Empoleon8771
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That plus it's widely established that JR loves Kapanen too. The issue I see from the Penguins POV is that Miller is way more valuable than Kapanen but the Canucks don't have anyone less valuable that makes any sense in a Kapanen to Vancouver trade.
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You could be right...but everything else about JR's career tells me otherwise. In fact the theory going around the Pens boards is that JR quit because he was being asked to step back a bit and let someone else have more control. Of course only time will tell, but in his short time in Pitt he never really trained an AGM to eventually take his place. Both potential guys ended up leaving.
Empoleon8771
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Because you save money, get faster and get younger while not spending any sort of draft picks, which hits all 4 points you mentioned in the OP.
The issue is how you finish the trade, because Miller is way more valuable than Kapanen (even with JR's crazy valuation of him).
How generous of you
Empoleon8771
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Of course you would because Pearson sucks ass.
This thread has been one of the most choosing beggars threads I've seen on HFBoards
Because you save money, get faster and get younger while not spending any sort of draft picks, which hits all 4 points you mentioned in the OP.
The issue is how you finish the trade, because Miller is way more valuable than Kapanen (even with JR's crazy valuation of him).
How generous of you
Youre suggesting Miller for Kapanen?
It would have to be something like
Kapanen 1st, 2nd, prospect
for
JT Miller
Empoleon8771
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Damn it's pretty amazing that the Canucks have been so bad for years if this is how valuable their players are
If you seriously think Miller is worth that, there is no reasonable discussion to be had here.
Of course you would because Pearson sucks ass.
This thread has been one of the most choosing beggars threads I've seen on HFBoards
beggars? ahah were the ones saying we dont want Kapanen. Its like youre begging Canucks to take him.
Marino is who would fit for what the Canucks need.
Yeah...because the first time Pearson was in Pitt it worked out so well that they traded him for a $4M #7 D man/
Empoleon8771
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2019: Canucks acquire Miller from Tampa Bay for Mazanec, a 1st and 2nd
2020: Penguins acquire Kapanen from Toronto for a 1st and Hallander
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2020: Penguins acquire Kapanen from Toronto for a 1st and Hallander
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